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Anonymous #1

Transgender *DELETED*
    #27833444 - 06/23/22 06:32 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous #2

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #27833484 - 06/23/22 06:53 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I am trans, and at first I thought the same as you. I thought, 'it is mostly about personal choice'. I thought one could choose to be trans or not.

But no. I started to realize things as I got older. Like the fact that, since a young age, without anyone telling me to, I always preferred women's clothing. I always preferred to imagine myself as a woman in my relationships. I had attraction to men, just like a straight woman; but not like a gay man. I was uncomfortable with guys who were into me as guys. I wanted to be seen as a woman.

I thought for my whole life that it was just a fetish and that I could cure it by repressing it. But it always always kept coming back. It was really dangerous to not deal with it, because I wasn't honest with myself.

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What percentage of transgender (lets say male to female) people..... if you took them when they were babies...  and said to them every day "Youre gonna grow up to be female. Youre a woman trapped in a boys body". And just insisted that they werent male.


What percentage of these people would turn out not to be transgender?


How many would rebel against being told to transition? Maybe they would become even extremely manly to overcompensate?


I dont think the number is 0. And I dont think im an asshole for pointing it out.







You are not wrong, personal choice can influence gender. Gender is fluid.

That being said, you should understand that being trans is not just a mental thing, it's a bodily thing too. Most trans women test for very high levels of estrogen even before they start hormones. Studies on the brain off transwomen find that sections are more similar to those of women than of men. Our bodies and minds are different.

People need to stop seeing transness as just a mental thing. It's a condition of the body and mind together. It can't be repressed. Not everyone needs to transition, but those who strongly desire to do so should be honest with themselves and consider costs and benefits. There are a lot of solutions that are sort of in-between or medium - like wearing women's clothes and makeup but no hormones.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27833520 - 06/23/22 07:24 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous #2 said:
I am trans, and at first I thought the same as you. I thought, 'it is mostly about personal choice'. I thought one could choose to be trans or not.

But no. I started to realize things as I got older. Like the fact that, since a young age, without anyone telling me to, I always preferred women's clothing. I always preferred to imagine myself as a woman in my relationships. I had attraction to men, just like a straight woman; but not like a gay man. I was uncomfortable with guys who were into me as guys. I wanted to be seen as a woman.

I thought for my whole life that it was just a fetish and that I could cure it by repressing it. But it always always kept coming back. It was really dangerous to not deal with it, because I wasn't honest with myself.

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What percentage of transgender (lets say male to female) people..... if you took them when they were babies...  and said to them every day "Youre gonna grow up to be female. Youre a woman trapped in a boys body". And just insisted that they werent male.


What percentage of these people would turn out not to be transgender?


How many would rebel against being told to transition? Maybe they would become even extremely manly to overcompensate?


I dont think the number is 0. And I dont think im an asshole for pointing it out.







You are not wrong, personal choice can influence gender. Gender is fluid.

That being said, you should understand that being trans is not just a mental thing, it's a bodily thing too. Most trans women test for very high levels of estrogen even before they start hormones. Studies on the brain off transwomen find that sections are more similar to those of women than of men. Our bodies and minds are different.

People need to stop seeing transness as just a mental thing. It's a condition of the body and mind together. It can't be repressed. Not everyone needs to transition, but those who strongly desire to do so should be honest with themselves and consider costs and benefits. There are a lot of solutions that are sort of in-between or medium - like wearing women's clothes and makeup but no hormones.





I like making women submit to me sexually. How much of that sexual need is based off societal expectations and of porn?

I'm sure there is some carnal nature to it. Some aspect of biology. But obviously its a combo.



You being female or male or whatever. You WANTING something does not automatically qualify as "This was there from birth and couldnt be changed"

Thats anecdotal.


I do not care what you choose to be. Thats totally fine. Means nothing to me. You are not a pariah if you choose to be trans. Youre just another human. But I dont think you wanting to be trans automatically means you were always meant to be trans.



I think things like.... naturally being weak and small..... or things similar to that can increase likelihood of becoming trans. You site references of brain scans (I think we can all agree mankind knows nothing at all about the brain so these references are irrelevant) of the similarities between trans male to female and born female humans. Wouldnt acting similarly to something make your mind become similar? It isnt necessarily a world-altering proof of finding similarities of minds.




But it does sound like you agree theres both biological and upbringing. Its obviously both. And I feel like the media tries to cram it down our throats that its JUST biological. That this one phenomenon throughout all of nature is the one thing thats purely biological.




This great philosopher was asked once...... "Which do you believe creates the personality? Nature? Or Nurture?"

And the philosopher responded "Tell me which dictates the area of a field? Length or width?"


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Anonymous #3

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27833591 - 06/23/22 08:02 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous #2 said:
I had attraction to men, just like a straight woman; but not like a gay man.




i dont understand the distinction. can you explain it more


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Anonymous #2

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27833689 - 06/23/22 09:05 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous #3 said:
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Anonymous #2 said:
I had attraction to men, just like a straight woman; but not like a gay man.




i dont understand the distinction. can you explain it more




Gay men are attracted to masculinity,they want people they see as manly. Straight men - or bi or pan or w/e, or we could just say, 'women-loving men' - they are attracted to femininity.

If a gay guy is into me, it reduces my confidence because, from my perspective,they see me as a man. They like the parts about me I'm trying to change, my masculine traits.

If a straight guy is into me, it would be a gigantic confidence boost because they would be seeing me as a woman.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27833695 - 06/23/22 09:10 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous #2 said:
I had attraction to men, just like a straight woman; but not like a gay man.




i dont understand the distinction. can you explain it more




Gay men are attracted to masculinity,they want people they see as manly. Straight men - or bi or pan or w/e, or we could just say, 'women-loving men' - they are attracted to femininity.

If a gay guy is into me, it reduces my confidence because, from my perspective,they see me as a man. They like the parts about me I'm trying to change, my masculine traits.

If a straight guy is into me, it would be a gigantic confidence boost because they would be seeing me as a woman.





Interesting that someone didnt understand that. Seems like thats the whole point of being trans.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27833699 - 06/23/22 09:18 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous #2 said:
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Anonymous #2 said:
I had attraction to men, just like a straight woman; but not like a gay man.




i dont understand the distinction. can you explain it more




Gay men are attracted to masculinity,they want people they see as manly. Straight men - or bi or pan or w/e, or we could just say, 'women-loving men' - they are attracted to femininity.

If a gay guy is into me, it reduces my confidence because, from my perspective,they see me as a man. They like the parts about me I'm trying to change, my masculine traits.

If a straight guy is into me, it would be a gigantic confidence boost because they would be seeing me as a woman.




this is not objective behaviour and frankly im disappointed you have this pattern of thinking.

gay men are not all attracted to masculinity. thats a retarded thing to say and disrespectful to gay men in general.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27833702 - 06/23/22 09:19 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

you have less confidence if someone finds you attractive in a way you dont feel you should be attracting people? you sir/ma'am have serious mental health issues.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27833708 - 06/23/22 09:23 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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this is not objective behaviour and frankly im disappointed you have this pattern of thinking.

gay men are not all attracted to masculinity. thats a retarded thing to say and disrespectful to gay men in general.




What an unreasonable response. You are massively overreacting, sir/ma'am. Cool your jets.

Let me illustrate what I mean. NO ONE wants to be pursued over being the other gender!

Let me provide you an example. What gender do you identify as, are you male? If so, what if a girl was really into you, but she insisted you go by she? What if she said she'd only date you if you wore a dress, and she'd only date you if you wore makeup? Wouldn't you be disappointed that someone was trying to make you something you're not?

What I was referring to is, gay men have certain traits they like that men have - sharp jaw, masculine fface, broad shoulders, etc. These are the exact same traits that my hormones are changing, slowly! If gay men are into me, it means my transition isn't going so well. I see myself as a woman; if someone who is exclusively attracted to men is into me, it means I'm not seen as a woman. It means people don't see me as I'd like to be seen.

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you sir/ma'am have serious mental health issues.




If you say that, maybe you're the one with the issues? We're just having a conversation here and you freaked out, what was that about?


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Anonymous #3

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27833710 - 06/23/22 09:25 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

no. you are wrong. what you are sharing is opinion, not fact.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27833711 - 06/23/22 09:26 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

people dont see you as a woman because you have a penis and not a vagina


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Anonymous #2

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27833719 - 06/23/22 09:33 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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no. you are wrong. what you are sharing is opinion, not fact.




Brilliant argument sherlock, you solved it.

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people dont see you as a woman because you have a penis and not a vagina




How would they know what junk I have just seeing me on the street? Are you staring at people's pants trying to see?


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Anonymous #3

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27833723 - 06/23/22 09:36 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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people dont see you as a woman because you have a penis and not a vagina




How would they know what junk I have just seeing me on the street? Are you staring at people's pants trying to see?





yes, thats how it works, jackass.

also, youre not fooling anyone by wearing dresses and wigs.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27833729 - 06/23/22 09:42 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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yes, thats how it works, jackass.

also, youre not fooling anyone by wearing dresses and wigs.








So you admit to staring at people's junk? That's messed up dude.

Sorry OP for the derailing of the thread, I'm just going to ignore anon 3. I suggest others do the same. He's got some kind of screw loose. I'll answer the questions of those who really want to know about trans people or argue in good faith. Anon 3 is just sperging out on his keyboard.

But this is a good example of transphobia here, the argument didn't go anon3's way and suddenly he starts gargling out incoherent hate against trans people.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #27833735 - 06/23/22 09:45 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

yeah its messed up to look at someones body lol


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Anonymous #1

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #27833739 - 06/23/22 09:48 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous #3 said:
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Anonymous #2 said:
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Anonymous #3 said:
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Anonymous #2 said:
I had attraction to men, just like a straight woman; but not like a gay man.




i dont understand the distinction. can you explain it more




Gay men are attracted to masculinity,they want people they see as manly. Straight men - or bi or pan or w/e, or we could just say, 'women-loving men' - they are attracted to femininity.

If a gay guy is into me, it reduces my confidence because, from my perspective,they see me as a man. They like the parts about me I'm trying to change, my masculine traits.

If a straight guy is into me, it would be a gigantic confidence boost because they would be seeing me as a woman.




this is not objective behaviour and frankly im disappointed you have this pattern of thinking.

gay men are not all attracted to masculinity. thats a retarded thing to say and disrespectful to gay men in general.




I want a woman who is attracted to my manliness. If a woman was attracted to how submissive I was..... that would make me feel lame and stupid. I'd struggle to become erect and have sex.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #27833949 - 06/24/22 04:58 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Gender is not fluid.

Gender is biological.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #27834068 - 06/24/22 08:00 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Before white man came to America the natives called their trans females "half men" and allowed them to live and function as females and sometimes also participate in male activities if they wished, wasn't a big deal then and I really don't see why it should be a big deal now.


Unfortunately the lamestream likes to sensationalize anything that will incite negativity because it is more profitable for the machine to keep the masses divided.


Trans, gay, straight? Who cares? Be a positive part of your community and help people whenever you can, that's what makes a good person.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #27834082 - 06/24/22 08:17 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

In the 80’s it was hair metal rock and rollers.  In the 90’s it was rap and all of a sudden every black person you met was from New York.  In the 00’s and 2010’s I don’t know what it was because I was busy, maybe dubstep and sjw with a heavy emphasis on gayness.  Now, it’s trans of all sorts.  Kids have been getting taught this is cool, it’s a fad and it’ll pass.  I can’t wait to see what the next phase is, full on amputate body mods or intergalactic alien genders in human bodies.  Who knows.  I’m sure whatever it is it will involve self absorbed vanity and self destruction of some sort.  I’m sure it won’t involve the human species becoming healthier as a whole.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #27834094 - 06/24/22 08:27 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

exactly. i have patience and compassion for people finding their path in life, but being trans is not an accomplishment


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Anonymous #7

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #27835114 - 06/24/22 08:18 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
I want a woman who is attracted to my manliness. If a woman was attracted to how submissive I was..... that would make me feel lame and stupid. I'd struggle to become erect and have sex.



implying a man can't be submissive and still enjoy sex speaks only about your insecurities

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Anonymous #6 said:
In the 80’s it was hair metal rock and rollers.  In the 90’s it was rap and all of a sudden every black person you met was from New York.  In the 00’s and 2010’s I don’t know what it was because I was busy, maybe dubstep and sjw with a heavy emphasis on gayness.  Now, it’s trans of all sorts.  Kids have been getting taught this is cool, it’s a fad and it’ll pass.  I can’t wait to see what the next phase is, full on amputate body mods or intergalactic alien genders in human bodies.  Who knows.  I’m sure whatever it is it will involve self absorbed vanity and self destruction of some sort.  I’m sure it won’t involve the human species becoming healthier as a whole.



transhumanism is here, old man


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Anonymous #1

Re: Transgender [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #27835397 - 06/25/22 12:33 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Anonymous #7 said:
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Anonymous #1 said:
I want a woman who is attracted to my manliness. If a woman was attracted to how submissive I was..... that would make me feel lame and stupid. I'd struggle to become erect and have sex.



implying a man can't be submissive and still enjoy sex speaks only about your insecurities

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Anonymous #6 said:
In the 80’s it was hair metal rock and rollers.  In the 90’s it was rap and all of a sudden every black person you met was from New York.  In the 00’s and 2010’s I don’t know what it was because I was busy, maybe dubstep and sjw with a heavy emphasis on gayness.  Now, it’s trans of all sorts.  Kids have been getting taught this is cool, it’s a fad and it’ll pass.  I can’t wait to see what the next phase is, full on amputate body mods or intergalactic alien genders in human bodies.  Who knows.  I’m sure whatever it is it will involve self absorbed vanity and self destruction of some sort.  I’m sure it won’t involve the human species becoming healthier as a whole.



transhumanism is here, old man





I didnt say "All men want to feel dominant" I said "I like to feel dominant".


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