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InvisibleEvolving
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Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question
    #2783155 - 06/10/04 11:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Well, it seems the Bush administration has been caught fudging the numbers when it stated that terrorism has declined...

you can read about their 'mistake' here.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Evolving]
    #2783175 - 06/10/04 11:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

go figure.

it seemed pretty obvious, but i was
thinking the appart increase was more
due to increased media coverage and
the fact that it doesnt take much to be
considered a 'terrorist' anymore.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Evolving]
    #2783484 - 06/11/04 01:22 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

How many attacks have their been on the mainland since 9/11?


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Zahid]
    #2783510 - 06/11/04 01:30 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Do you mean U.S. soil? About as many as between the Oklahoma City bombing and the second WTC attack (9/11). However, the claim was for global acts of terrorism - the proper way to measure the effectiveness of the empire's (over) reach.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Evolving]
    #2785803 - 06/11/04 07:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The mistake Bush is making is that he believes he can defeat an ideology.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Zahid]
    #2785876 - 06/11/04 07:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

He also is trying to douse flames with gasoline.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Evolving]
    #2794509 - 06/15/04 11:35 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Evolving said:
He also is trying to douse flames with gasoline.




as well as injecting pure oxygen into the flames. :hellfire:


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Zahid]
    #2794549 - 06/15/04 11:47 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:
The mistake Bush is making is that he believes he can defeat an ideology.




Your right, let the terrorists do what they want by instilling their beliefs in anybody they can.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Redo]
    #2794595 - 06/15/04 12:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Redo said:
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Zahid said:
The mistake Bush is making is that he believes he can defeat an ideology.




Your right, let the terrorists do what they want by instilling their beliefs in anybody they can.



It's not a matter of letting them. They'll do it anyway, and the more we try to suppress it, the stronger that ideology becomes.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: silversoul7]
    #2794892 - 06/15/04 01:46 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"I can assure you it had nothing to do with putting out anything but the most honest, accurate information we can," he said.

"Errors crept in that frankly we did not catch here," Powell said.

:lol:

Creating such a drama out of the 911 crisis with the 'WAR ON TERROR' has been glorious fuel and publicity, empowering and emboldening terrorist movements everywhere. The cruel and general reaction of 'shock and awe', followed by bedlam without solution, equally do nothing but breed resentment. Nations of innocents are left counting their dead, repaid for an attack they had nothing to do with.

This may be said to be about religion and ideology, but as usual religion has been borrowed to dress up the real issue - money. Both Bush and bin Laden rely on The Almighty and an ideology as their defence. After all it gets the kids on board the killing machine.;) :wink:

'President Bush's war against global terrorism is destined for failure, the former head of MI5, Stella Rimington, warned yesterday.'

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=99722


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Redo]
    #2795237 - 06/15/04 03:34 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Redo said:
Quote:

Zahid said:
The mistake Bush is making is that he believes he can defeat an ideology.




Your right, let the terrorists do what they want by instilling their beliefs in anybody they can.




As someone who is directly involved in Muslim communities, Bush's foreign policy has done nothing but create more fanatics. Today there is a new breed of the political Muslim - where 9/11 and suicide bombings against civilians are condemned by them, the ongoing insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan are supported as a legit struggle against foreign occupation. Many Muslims today don't see any difference between America's invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 - and here is why the insurgency in Iraq won't end anytime soon; it took 10 years to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Iraqi insurgents believe that with pressure and time, the occupation can be driven out of Iraq. The only difference now is that whole world is all riled up about Iraq - from Muslim-Christian dialogue down to Conservative-Liberal partisanship. Old-fashion American foreign policy (both Republican and Democrat) towards the Middle East has a foundation of utter ignorance and disregard for non-Industrialized cultures.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Zahid]
    #2796003 - 06/15/04 07:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Zahid writes:

Many Muslims today don't see any difference between America's invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan in 1979...

Yet another illustration of the tendency of religious indoctrination to impair one's grasp of reality.

pinky


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Phred]
    #2796050 - 06/15/04 08:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

which reality?

the one you believe exists or the one they see
and live?

invading forces, are invading forces...maybe ours
operates under a different guise, but it's still
foreign occupation.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Phred]
    #2796206 - 06/15/04 09:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

pinksharkmark said:
Zahid writes:

Many Muslims today don't see any difference between America's invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan in 1979...

Yet another illustration of the tendency of religious indoctrination to impair one's grasp of reality.

pinky




Maybe, but how much can you honestly say you know about the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, or even the climate of the Arab/Muslim world today and how they regard the American occupation of Iraq.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Zahid]
    #2796240 - 06/15/04 09:36 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I have no doubt that many Muslims see no difference between the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and the coalition's liberation of Iraq in 2003. I merely point out that this lack of ability to differentiate between the two indicates the power of religion to cloud one's mind.

pinky


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Phred]
    #2796559 - 06/15/04 10:53 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I ask you, why are the two situations different? Russians during the Soviet invasion regarded the Muslim fighters in Afghanistan as terrorists, and the invasion itself was *gasp* regarded as a liberation of the people from the previous Afghan king where their agenda was obviously fuel and the expansion of the "Empire". The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan unprovoked, just as America invaded Iraq unprovoked. Both wars also had fanatical off-shoots that resulted in the death of innocents as well when locals who assisted the occupation were targetted. Both insurgencies also attempted to strategically organize their resistance with seperate cladestine groups on a somewhat acceptable scale of only targetting soldiers (not all Iraqi insurgents fall into category with Nick Berg's barbaric murderers, or Shi'ite haters). "We are liberating them," is the age-old rhetoric that every invader through history tells himself.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Zahid]
    #2796624 - 06/15/04 11:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

How were the two situations different?

The Soviets invaded Afghanistan to enslave it. The coalition invaded Iraq to free it.

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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Phred]
    #2796735 - 06/15/04 11:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

We'll see.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2796873 - 06/16/04 12:08 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I guess we should talk them out of their ideology.


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Re: Bush's Propaganda Numbers Called Into Question [Re: Phred]
    #2802682 - 06/17/04 04:31 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

pinksharkmark said:

The coalition invaded Iraq to free it.

pinky




We're now 15 months into the Iraq fiasco... do you really believe that?


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