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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Tiamo]
#28550565 - 11/20/23 04:47 PM (2 months, 6 days ago) |
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Nice tip, Tiamo.
As I mention in the op, my environment is dry. I almost never see rh at or above 30%. So I really appreciate the input from folks with experience and success in other places. I have to admit that I have continued to play with the recipe and also now dust them with corn starch with my latest changes.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28551023 - 11/21/23 02:36 AM (2 months, 6 days ago) |
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The RH has been (outside) around 80-90% nearly all month. Inside around 60 usually.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Tiamo]
#28551026 - 11/21/23 02:46 AM (2 months, 6 days ago) |
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I use my dehydrator with its heat source plugged out for 48h
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Tiamo] 1
#28551027 - 11/21/23 02:47 AM (2 months, 6 days ago) |
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Lots of these drying tips exclude the use of a wax based sealant like carnuba. Use carnuba wax and the drying method is insignificant.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: DERRAYLD]
#28551133 - 11/21/23 06:33 AM (2 months, 6 days ago) |
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What the hell is carnuba wax?
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Tiamo] 2
#28551144 - 11/21/23 06:47 AM (2 months, 6 days ago) |
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Google it 
A group of us have perfected the recipe, carnuba wax is a sealant that prevents moisture loss and removes all stickiness, the gummies don't melt or reabsorb any moisture. No corn starch or any other coating needed.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: DERRAYLD] 3
#28551148 - 11/21/23 06:52 AM (2 months, 6 days ago) |
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to be fair, in commercial productions the molds are made in Cornstarch. Later they get sprayed with the warm wax mixture and mixed evenly (you can not reproduce that step really by hand).
The way we can do it by hand is handcoating them in a carnubawax/oil mixture. It's far from perfect, but it get's the job done.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Shrimps]
#28551150 - 11/21/23 06:56 AM (2 months, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28601604 - 12/28/23 09:47 PM (30 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Hey there Rev,
Currently making these gummies from dried for the third time. Still working on dosage - they keep coming out with effects that are closer to less than a half gram (dried cubes as base).
Anyway, quick question about the first step of tea. You mention the longer it takes to cool it will effect the dosage/flavor. Does this matter in the reduction phase? How long does it usually take you from starting the tea process to getting it into the ice bath?
Thank you - this write up is phenomenal and everyone loves the gummies
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: topmarq]
#28602279 - 12/29/23 01:05 PM (29 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Hey topmarq To be fair, I found that when I cooled the tea in the fridge over night instead of in the quick ice bath, I thought the tea tasted much more mushroomy, which I didn't like for the gummies. Anecdotally, those couple of batches turned out weaker than I expected them to be, but I can't be certain that it wasn't just a weak batch of mush material from the start.
To answer your question though, I keep simmering as long as it takes to get the volume down to desired amount. It has taken up to around 2 hours before with a large double decoction run. It is possible that some potency is lost the longer you go, but again, I can't say for certain. I would say that leaving tea unused for more than 12 hours seems to have a stronger impact on reducing potency ime. Once it is bound up in the gelatin and preservatives, the rate of potency loss is stopped or dramatically slowed.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28605784 - 01/01/24 12:30 PM (26 days, 19 hours ago) |
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ReverendMyc said: Hey topmarq To be fair, I found that when I cooled the tea in the fridge over night instead of in the quick ice bath, I thought the tea tasted much more mushroomy, which I didn't like for the gummies. Anecdotally, those couple of batches turned out weaker than I expected them to be, but I can't be certain that it wasn't just a weak batch of mush material from the start.
To answer your question though, I keep simmering as long as it takes to get the volume down to desired amount. It has taken up to around 2 hours before with a large double decoction run. It is possible that some potency is lost the longer you go, but again, I can't say for certain. I would say that leaving tea unused for more than 12 hours seems to have a stronger impact on reducing potency ime. Once it is bound up in the gelatin and preservatives, the rate of potency loss is stopped or dramatically slowed.
Thanks for the quick reply! Interesting, so I've definitely been doing it "right". I've followed the recipe pretty much to a 'T' and, again, the potency is not high - the maths below. I did the ice bath and it takes me about 2 hours to reduce (which was where I thought I may be losing the potency). My only thought now is that there is a loss of potency from not extracting all the tea from the mushmash...which still doesn't really add up since I realllllyyy press that stuff out. I will next change the strain and see if this affects the potency. It is weird though - at the same dosage these mushies usually would give you a pretty good trip...
This is partly me just working through thoughts for others who are interested/practicing to read. I will update my experience as I make more, if others are interested. I currently am isolating some P. Cubenesis Huautla that I've read are a bit stronger(?) that I will grow out and try with this recipe but this will be a good couple more months. For now, I will keep playing with my process to see if I can get different results while enjoy these delicious lil' feel-gooders.
Strain: P. Cubensis Mazatapec Amount in Batch: 300g for Double Batch (DRIED) Yield: ~67 gummies (they are large, 1"x2" rectangles) Theoretical Dosage: 4.5g/gummy Actual Dosage: ~.5g/gummy
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: SlugWorthx1]
#28606521 - 01/01/24 10:23 PM (26 days, 9 hours ago) |
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SlugWorthx1 said: you can also use Potassium Sorbate to use as a preservative, or else i find it to mold within several weeks in a container. Have tested potency after a year and works great
I suppose that the use of pure ascorbic acid may even be more preferable, because ascorbic acid is not only an acid, but also a good preservative and antioxidant, which could help significantly extend the shelf life and prevent tryptamines from oxidation. Also, vitamin C is healthy
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28612476 - 01/07/24 12:37 AM (21 days, 7 hours ago) |
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ReverendMyc said:
Also want to comment that I am still working on a good dosing amount. 1.5g of stones per gummy is too low in my opinion. I had three gummies from the month old batch the other day and it was a mild museum dose. Checking my notes, the earlier batches were 3.5g of stones per gummy. The next run will be a batch of stones and a separate batch of dried tamp fruits. I am hoping that will help me zero in on a good dosing formula.
I will keep updating the original post as I find improvements.
Hey Rev,
Any updates on the recommended dosing amounts from your trials? I'd like to try my hand at making your gummies with some fresh tamp stones...but I'd like them to be on the stronger side if possible (not for microdosing). I'd prefer to only have to eat 2 or 3 gummies to get where I'm going instead of 8 haha.
In your experience, is it possible to make (relatively) strong gummies from fresh stones instead of dried mushshrooms? Conventional wisdom would just say to "use more stones" to make up for the potency disparity, but how much is enough? How much stone mass can the 2 cups of water you use in your recipe realistically handle at once?
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: stuffedmushrooms]
#28613943 - 01/08/24 10:27 AM (19 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Hi stuffedmushrooms Good question. The max I have managed to get to work well is about 300 grams of stones into 3 cups of water. Once that is reduced to about 3/4 cup water, it is pretty sticky which makes it harder to get a good gummy texture. Usually just requires additional unflavored gelatin, though.
My current set up produces about 400 ml of gummy goo and I am using mushroom shaped molds now that hold 4 ml each. So that would give 3g stone per gummy. That is more than a microdose, but you might need to do some experimenting to determine how many to eat for the experience you want. I can tell you that 6 x 2.2 ml gummy bears was more than I needed the first time.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28614073 - 01/08/24 12:45 PM (19 days, 18 hours ago) |
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ReverendMyc said: Hi stuffedmushrooms Good question. The max I have managed to get to work well is about 300 grams of stones into 3 cups of water. Once that is reduced to about 3/4 cup water, it is pretty sticky which makes it harder to get a good gummy texture. Usually just requires additional unflavored gelatin, though.
My current set up produces about 400 ml of gummy goo and I am using mushroom shaped molds now that hold 4 ml each. So that would give 3g stone per gummy. That is more than a microdose, but you might need to do some experimenting to determine how many to eat for the experience you want. I can tell you that 6 x 2.2 ml gummy bears was more than I needed the first time.

Clear, thanks!
Do you a double decoction or is it not worth it for stones?
And those mushroom molds are sweeeet. Where did you get them? Do you toss the mushroom-shaped gummies in sugar/cornstarch to prevent sticking, or is that not an issue?
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: stuffedmushrooms]
#28614115 - 01/08/24 01:27 PM (19 days, 18 hours ago) |
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I do a double decoction on stones for sure. They don't give up the good stuff as easily as dried fruits ime. I want to try using a masticating juicer on them after a boil next time to see if that helps get all of the active goodness more efficiently.
The molds are from the zon like most of my toys. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BSDWCWC9
And as for sticking, I usually don't use sugar or cornstarch and they do okay in my dry environment. But I have recently learned about using carnauba wax and am testing it for the genuine Haribo nonstick finish. That is what the little tub and pastry brush in that picture are for.
So after a few more batches, I need to do a new update to the OP with what I have been learning lately. It will also make it more internationally compatible because I have moved away from Jello brand gelatin and have added sorbitol, which really nails the "correct" gummy texture.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28614225 - 01/08/24 03:34 PM (19 days, 16 hours ago) |
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ReverendMyc said: Good question. The max I have managed to get to work well is about 300 grams of stones into 3 cups of water. Once that is reduced to about 3/4 cup water, it is pretty sticky which makes it harder to get a good gummy texture. Usually just requires additional unflavored gelatin, though.
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ReverendMyc said: I do a double decoction on stones for sure. They don't give up the good stuff as easily as dried fruits ime. I want to try using a masticating juicer on them after a boil next time to see if that helps get all of the active goodness more efficiently.
For my clarification, do you mean you do an initial decoction of 300g stones in 2 cups water, then a second decoction in 1 more cup (3 cups total), combine and reduce to ~3/4 cup? Or 2 separate decoctions of 3 cups each (6 cups total)?
Have you made any changes to the filtering method? Or still using a strainer and brewer's bag?
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ReverendMyc said: And as for sticking, I usually don't use sugar or cornstarch and they do okay in my dry environment. But I have recently learned about using carnauba wax and am testing it for the genuine Haribo nonstick finish. That is what the little tub and pastry brush in that picture are for.
So after a few more batches, I need to do a new update to the OP with what I have been learning lately. It will also make it more internationally compatible because I have moved away from Jello brand gelatin and have added sorbitol, which really nails the "correct" gummy texture.
Sound's like you're getting this down to a science! Looking forward to the next update
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: stuffedmushrooms]
#28614279 - 01/08/24 04:43 PM (19 days, 14 hours ago) |
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Total of 3 cups down to 3/4 cup and yes, still using strainer and brewers bag.
A couple of batches ago I tried doing a run from subtropicalis grain spawn and squeezing any liquid from the bag was nigh on impossible. That is when I came up with the juicer idea. Still haven't tried it, though.
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28627661 - 01/19/24 07:17 PM (8 days, 12 hours ago) |
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Hey all. Been reading/rereading this thread while getting my supplies together to try it out. Curious if anyone can approximate the total volume of the prepared recipe. I'd like to be exact with my dosage. I'll do a dry run anyway and find out for myself, but I thought I'd ask. Thanks!
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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Ch3f] 2
#28627876 - 01/19/24 10:01 PM (8 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Dry run is a great idea. Plus bonus gummies.
I am currently getting a very consistent 400 ml, but I keep making adjustments to get closer to perfect. So this op is overdue for an update. One more batch and I think I will be ready to update.
Few pix from my last test dry run.
 
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