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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: 0t0lerance]
    #28345822 - 06/03/23 01:51 PM (7 months, 21 days ago)

Thanks for the feedback guys. I am planning to run several batches today.

For vegan, I tried an agar only recipe, but it came out pretty hard and chewy. I haven't looked further into how commercial vegan gummies are made, but it sounds like something worth exploring.

I will also be trying some subtropicalis grain spawn gummies this round. I didn't think about it and used wheat for grain spawn which I prefer, but realized that this means that they won't be gluten free. So I will have to warn folks about that on this run.

Another big festival coming up and I need to get prepping.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc] * 1
    #28347085 - 06/04/23 01:19 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

Good looking out Bigworm. I am going to update the op to adjust for the liquid amounts because of switching corn syrup for sugar. As listed in the OP it was too much liquid. So we need to reduce the tea further or increase the unflavored gelatin. I am testing the changes now.

Will also be adding a tip that using nitrile gloves sprayed with non-stick spray makes removing the gummies from molds easier and more sanitary.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc] * 1
    #28348425 - 06/05/23 03:41 PM (7 months, 19 days ago)

**Cross post from the subtropicalis thread**


So I made some gummies from my subtrops and nats. I will add some updated pictures and notes to the OP.

For the subtropicalis, I planned to do about 75 grams dry to 140 gummies for 0.5g each. But I didn't have enough dry fruit handy...


... so decided to make up the last 17 grams using the equivalent in myceliated grain. I did a bit of quick ciphering and decided that 1 tablespoon weighed 7 grams and 2 tablespoons felt like about 1 gram to me, so at 15 grams of grain to about 1 gram of fruit, 255 grams should be about equal to the target 17 extra grams.

Math is hard!

So while the first batch was curing I started a batch from nats as well. Figured might as well test a half gram dose gummy of the subs while I work.

Whoops
... again.

Not sure where my math was off, but this was a lot stronger than the 2 tablespoons of grain and the 1 gram of fruit tea that I had tried on 2 previous occasions. This was the most enjoyable light dose of any mushrooms to date.

Have a festival coming up and thought I should do a dose test. Munched it at noon thinking if I didn't feel anything in half an hour I would eat another. At a quarter after I felt nothing so figured I could go ahead and have another. But a timer went off and got busy for a couple of minutes. At 25 after, I was thankful that I waited cause they were definitely hitting now. Nice smooth climb for the next 30 minutes. I would not call it a come up because it lacked the anxiety feeling. Just getting more and more pleasant body feel and some visual bendiness but not full visuals. Familiar things looked strange, but I could continue to function and keep cooking the other batch while feeling great. Had some time distortion which is tricky when cooking, but held it together just fine. Now I get what everyone means by a cleaner feeling than cubes, but damned if I have any better description. After a couple of hours it started tapering off and I was in the after glow by 3:30 pm.

Looking forward to the festival and trying the nats and various combos of nats, tamps and subtrops.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc] * 3
    #28361269 - 06/15/23 05:28 PM (7 months, 9 days ago)

I followed your recipe last night with subtropicalis & ate a few today. Wow! Great tek, this has been my most successful stab at gummies. The texture is just perfect :dancer:


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: MojaveMyc]
    #28361910 - 06/16/23 09:53 AM (7 months, 8 days ago)

Awesome!

The subtropicalis I made last week were a hit at the festival as well. Really like that variety. I am hoping to make a fully grain spawn batch this weekend of subtrops if I can squeeze some time in.

The nat batch was weak, but I have only tried them in gummies and have heard that this particular culture may just have been less potent. The member who shared the culture with me was disappointed with his initial bioassay of these nats. I had two test gummies at the show and was only getting the edge of a sparkle, so I added a subtrop gummy to catch up. Then all was well with the world.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #28469531 - 09/15/23 05:43 AM (4 months, 11 days ago)

I really want to try this, but we don't have Jello in Europe. I can only find gelatin leaves/envelopes. As I understand it, Jello is just gelatine and flavouring? Can I just add more gelatin (how much?) and some flavouring myself? Could I also sub the corn syrup for honey or simple syrup?


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: Tiamo] * 2
    #28469536 - 09/15/23 05:47 AM (4 months, 11 days ago)

Corn syrup is better for gummies than honey or simple syrup but you can use honey.

Jello is gelatine with added flavor and sugar.

Get flavors and colors and make your own.
I don't use jello.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28469631 - 09/15/23 07:22 AM (4 months, 11 days ago)

Do you guys realize how much shelf space is dedicated to Jell-O in the US?  It's like 20 feet of it, top shelf to bottom shelf.  Regular unflavored gelatin gets one or two tiny little spots.

I'm surprised they don't sell it in Europe, especially without a direct competitor.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: Kinoko314]
    #28469639 - 09/15/23 07:24 AM (4 months, 11 days ago)

Jell-o is a brand name specific to the US.
We get multiple types of jelly here, jell-o just tastes great hence using it for gummies.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: DERRAYLD] * 1
    #28498760 - 10/10/23 12:17 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

Ran some experiments today. These are gummies before drying. Came out perfect imo.





Let it be known that you should substitute 4 envelopes and 2 3oz Jello packages for 32 gelatin leaves. I added 50 grams of honey, lemon zest from 4 lemons (as flavoring) and food coloring too.



Also, you can sub corn syrup for any glucose syrup. I bought dextrose (same thing as glucose) in a sport supplements store and made my own glucose syrup by combining 100 grams of dextrose to 75 grams of water on the stove and reducing to a syrup.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: Tiamo]
    #28499147 - 10/10/23 05:28 PM (3 months, 16 days ago)

I like the mold choice! I'm going to have to get them as well, it would help me differentiate between the gummy types I have. The lemon zest adds a little something too.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) *Not just for stones any more [Re: Bigworm] * 1
    #28499526 - 10/11/23 12:10 AM (3 months, 16 days ago)

I've started experimenting with shatter sugar painted with a light coating of food coloring, grind it up and then add it to the gummies.

Home-made glitter gummies.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc] * 1
    #28507034 - 10/16/23 03:25 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Just dropping a line to say that the wifey and I decided to have one of the 4 month old 0.5g dose subtropicalis gummies each on Saturday before heading out for some dinner and music. We were just enjoying a pre-dinner cocktail as the band started when we both looked at each other and went, "uuuh do you remember these being this strong?" We finished our drinks, tipped the band, ordered a pizza to go and sang along to musicals all night on the couch.

For longer term, I recommend storing them in tupperware in the fridge. Ziplocs are fine for a few days, but they dry out, get chewy and lose potency after a month or so, even in fridge in plastic bags.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #28510475 - 10/19/23 12:24 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

Thanks for all the work getting the recipe dialed in!

I'm going into 2ml silicone squares and tried both pouring and pipetting. I have a hard time getting the pouring even. The pipetting takes more time, and I have trouble with the texture changing as I go. Some of the last ones I pipetted solidified perfectly, others I had to freeze to get out of the molds, and some of them are too soft even frozen. All from working out of one well mixed container that kept gelling on the surface. Any advice?


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Tsinaglou] * 1
    #28510498 - 10/19/23 12:50 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

May use a hot water bath and a laserthermometer to keep it at a constant temperature, so you dont overheat it when you try to get it back into a more liquid state after it cooled down.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Tsinaglou]
    #28510501 - 10/19/23 12:52 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

It sounds like your mixture is separating a bit if you have differing consistency from the beginning of the pour to the end. Finding the balance between well mixed while preventing foam is an art form more than a science.

Try this if you haven't. The last section of the OP is Turning Jelly Into Gummies. It may help to add more unflavored gelatin. If you do so, you can pour at a higher temperature which helps with more even pours and the extra gelatin helps ensure that they come out of the molds and hold their shape better.

Hope that helps.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: ReverendMyc]
    #28510565 - 10/19/23 01:33 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

Thanks! Almost half of them are more granular, soft, and sticking in the tray. I'll remelt and try the process you referred to. 

I used a hot water bath, but maybe it wasn't deep enough.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Tsinaglou] * 1
    #28511289 - 10/20/23 12:45 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

Are you blooming your gelatine before hand?
Also make sure you temper your sugar to the correct temperature.
If you do those 2 things you will have no issues with setting gummies, add a bit of non stick spray as well for easy removal from the molds.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28512383 - 10/20/23 09:18 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

I am blooming the gelatin, but I've never heard of tempering sugar. I'll have to look that up!  I'm not adding any granulated sugar, but am using corn syrup and the sugar in Jello shot mix.


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Re: Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from stones/sclerotia) [Re: Tsinaglou] * 1
    #28550489 - 11/20/23 03:55 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

I made another batch of these gummies and drying is still a pain in the ass for me, I haven't figured it out properly.

Here I found some more information about the drying process: https://www.melt-to-make.com/drying-guide

To summarise: You want to place the gummies in a RH environment of less than 35% for a certain amount of time, depending on the size of the gummies. Roughly 3-9 hours. This goes for sugar coated gummies, which I do because of my humid climate.

The way I accomplish this is using a steaming basket and desiccant, in my oven. I basically heat my oven to the highest and keep it there a couple minutes to evaporate water. Then I let it cool down all the way again. This makes my oven very dry. Then I place the steaming basket with a bottom of re-usable desiccant in the (now room temperature) oven and just keep it there overnight up to 12 hours.


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