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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: herbstation]
#28260202 - 04/03/23 08:45 AM (9 months, 21 days ago) |
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herbstation said: Malt extract is just the sugars and some flavor from sprouted barley when you extract it via boiling. AKA yeah it's pretty easy to make your own extract and if you add hops and yeast your extract becomes a wort which eventually ferments into a beer. It makes sense that we use it for mushrooms cause it's essentially yeast food.
If you dry the extract it's called Dry Malt Extract, if you reduce it into a syrup it's Liquid Malt Extract, and if you toast the barley before you boil it then you get Dark Malt Extract, which has less sugar and more FLAVA.
Dunno the process for making it with flour. Malting = sprouting so if you have some oats on hand you could always just malt them and then extract those! I think if you're going to go that far you may as well use honey though. It would be a fun project but not a time saver.
I use just grain water with agar and it does great!
Edit: I also see ChatGPTs recipe. You have to simmer grains at 150 for beer or they will release off flavors. I think for agar you can boil it, you're not gonna be drinking the end result.
Cheers
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: San Pedro Girl] 1
#28260208 - 04/03/23 08:49 AM (9 months, 21 days ago) |
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Eugene Gesuale] 1
#28260213 - 04/03/23 08:59 AM (9 months, 21 days ago) |
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Shroomsupply has good sfds. I'd trust them for the rest too.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Excess Taters]
#28260313 - 04/03/23 10:42 AM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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Hello guy's these are my Grain Jars after 15 day's what you think??? I shack every 4 day's but for me it looks slowly growth?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Fiet] 1
#28260318 - 04/03/23 10:45 AM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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Fiet said: I shack every 4 day's but for me it looks slowly growth?
If you shake every four days, you're not giving the mycelium much chance to fully recover, hence your apparently slow growth, unless the jars are also microbial. Shake at around 30% colonized initially. Then at around 70% and perhaps a final time when spawning to bulk. That's all that's needed as far as I understand
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: johnukguy] 1
#28260324 - 04/03/23 10:47 AM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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Shake Shack.
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Shake Shack
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: johnukguy]
#28260350 - 04/03/23 11:16 AM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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johnukguy said:
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Fiet said: I shack every 4 day's but for me it looks slowly growth?
If you shake every four days, you're not giving the mycelium much chance to fully recover, hence your apparently slow growth, unless the jars are also microbial. Shake at around 30% colonized initially. Then at around 70% and perhaps a final time when spawning to bulk. That's all that's needed as far as I understand
OK thanks here the answer so no shacke anymore until it's fully colonized? Yeah i do it to much. I hope the Mycelium recored?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Fiet] 3
#28260463 - 04/03/23 12:36 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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Fiet said:
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johnukguy said:
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Fiet said: I shack every 4 day's but for me it looks slowly growth?
If you shake every four days, you're not giving the mycelium much chance to fully recover, hence your apparently slow growth, unless the jars are also microbial. Shake at around 30% colonized initially. Then at around 70% and perhaps a final time when spawning to bulk. That's all that's needed as far as I understand
OK thanks here the answer so no shacke anymore until it's fully colonized? Yeah i do it to much. I hope the Mycelium recored?
If you shake it more than twice you're playing with it.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way] 1
#28260530 - 04/03/23 01:18 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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I am going for a single, centered hole in the lids of my Pf-Tek jars.
Using a nail and hammer.
Is this nail too thin?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra]
#28260551 - 04/03/23 01:28 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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Should be fine if you can get a needle through it
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28260557 - 04/03/23 01:29 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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The needle should fit. I am concerned about GE since almost all teks say 2 or 4 holes.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra] 1
#28260600 - 04/03/23 01:44 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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Why would you do that? We use 4 holes for ge, but also so we can shoot our spore solution down the sides, in various areas. Once the outside is colonized the inside will be. So shoot the spore solution down the side of the jar so growth is visible and travels further (shooting it in th middle will make something like a puddle in the middle, shooting down the sides will reach the bottom, from the top. We also want multiple inoculation points, which becomes more obvious as you get into grains.
Try not to mess with proven teks, they're designed in a fail safe sorta manner, and adjustments without experience are better known as mistakes. Bdo it right to start, then adjust for however you think things should be.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Excess Taters]
#28260606 - 04/03/23 01:48 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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Excess Taters said: Why would you do that? We use 4 holes for ge, but also so we can shoot our spore solution down the sides, in various areas. Once the outside is colonized the inside will be. So shoot the spore solution down the side of the jar so growth is visible.
Try not to mess with proven teks, they're designed in a fail safe sorta manner, and adjustments without experience are better known as mistakes. Bdo it right to start, then adjust for however you think things should be.
People have used one hole for a long time. It's personal preference and works fine.
That being said, I wouldn't trust that nail to be big enough to provide proper gas exchange with one hole personally. Maybe go slightly bigger by jamming a screwdriver in there to open it up a bit. I remember reading you want a combined 1/4" of opening if you add all your holes together on a pf tek jars.
I'd still do 4 holes though because I see absolutely no benefit using one hole.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
#28260612 - 04/03/23 01:51 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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Way said: I'd still do 4 holes though because I see absolutely no benefit over using one hole.
That's the point. One hole won't fail, it just isn't as good as more. I'm not saying it won't work, it's just dumb compared to the alternative.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way] 1
#28260615 - 04/03/23 01:51 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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The benefit of one centered hole is that you don't have to guess if consolidation has finished.
And maybe less attack vectors for contam.
No?
The Updated Pf-Tek Guide says that CBK suggests to use a single hole. And i think he knows his stuff.
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CBK Suggests using 1 hole in the center of the lid so you use less spore solution and once you see colonization you know the cake is almost ready.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Excess Taters]
#28260618 - 04/03/23 01:52 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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Excess Taters said: Shroomsupply has good sfds. I'd trust them for the rest too.
They’re out of the xl .5 mic bags and don’t carry desiccant Any runner up companies?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra]
#28260640 - 04/03/23 01:58 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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Yahra said: The benefit of one centered hole is that you don't have to guess if consolidation has finished.
And maybe less attack vectors for contam.
No?
The updated PfTek say that CBK suggests to use a single hole. And i think he knows his stuff.
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CBK Suggests using 1 hole in the center of the lid so you use less spore solution and once you see colonization you know the cake is almost ready.
I exclusively spawn cakes to bulk. I always open them when the outside and bottom is fully colonized without waiting for consolidation. I've never had a cake not be colonized on the inside. Maybe I'm just lucky.
I also use 1cc per jar. How much less are you going to use?
And the verm is supposed to keep any nasties out regardless.
Ultimately I doubt it really matters.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra] 3
#28260644 - 04/03/23 02:01 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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Yahra said: The benefit of one centered hole is that you don't have to guess if consolidation has finished.
And maybe less attack vectors for contam.
No?
The Updated Pf-Tek Guide says that CBK suggests to use a single hole. And i think he knows his stuff.
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CBK Suggests using 1 hole in the center of the lid so you use less spore solution and once you see colonization you know the cake is almost ready.
I just read that, and my understanding of what he's saying, is if you don't have a lot of spore solution, you can just inject a little in the center, and in doing so you can use less spore solution to get a fully colonized cake.
That's why he does it, less spore solution used. The contam thing is mainly theoretical, the dry verm barrier protects, and it's why we don't have to cover those holes after injection.
So if you want very slow colonization times, using much less spore solution, go for it. Normal pf Tek takes 2 months start to finish, one hole will likely take 3. If that seems cool to you, great. If you want mushrooms quicker, go with more holes.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Excess Taters]
#28260647 - 04/03/23 02:05 PM (9 months, 20 days ago) |
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I'll go for 4 then.
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