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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: rumfor69]
#27864036 - 07/15/22 07:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: Ok, I'm learning stuff. I didn't know the water is excluded when it's so crucial to yield.
Yeah it seems counter-intuitive at first, but is helpful imo so you can calculate cost effectiveness of various subs regardless of water content. Since water is so cheap, excluding it allows you to compare the costlier inputs with ease. It's not a scientific term but an industry one that varies from industry to industry. 'Economic efficiency' would probably less confusing.
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AphexPin said: Advice for boil prep with millet? Was planning on bringing an adequate volume of water to boil, then turning off heat, adding millet and draining once I observe some bursts kernels.
I like the ease of Cracks no prep millet, seems to be pretty popular here.
easiest grain prep tek ever... jars don't come out very full tho, so sometimes I bump it up to 1.5 cups millet and 3/4 cup h2o per 1qt jar
I was hoping for a boil tek, I just like getting it done same day but it's nbd. I do bags so want to at least soak them, I don't see no-prep working out well for bags.. Maybe next time I boil wheat/oats/rye I'll drain the hot water into a some buckets with millet to speed things up.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AphexPin]
#27864070 - 07/15/22 07:49 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: Ok, I'm learning stuff. I didn't know the water is excluded when it's so crucial to yield.
Yeah it seems counter-intuitive at first, but is helpful imo so you can calculate cost effectiveness of various subs regardless of water content. Since water is so cheap, excluding it allows you to compare the costlier inputs with ease. It's not a scientific term but an industry one that varies from industry to industry. 'Economic efficiency' would probably less confusing.
Ahhh ok that makes sense for sure. Just been trying to calculate what a shiitake block farm could make in income. Wholesalers in my area will only pay you like $2-$3 a pound. If a block only produces one lb thats not very promising.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: rumfor69]
#27864076 - 07/15/22 07:57 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: Ahhh ok that makes sense for sure. Just been trying to calculate what a shiitake block farm could make in income. Wholesalers in my area will only pay you like $2-$3 a pound. If a block only produces one lb thats not very promising.
Why shiitake and not oysters, lions mane, etc? Shiitake is a lot more competitive and will produce less per sq foot than oysters and lions mane due to the long colonization times. Additionally, shiitake has a decent shelf life, robustness and ships well, while oysters don't, so it's easier to 'stand out' as a local, small time oyster and lions mane farmer since you can produce stuff you really can't quite get elsewhere.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AphexPin]
#27864088 - 07/15/22 08:07 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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AphexPin said: Why shiitake and not oysters, lions mane, etc? Shiitake is a lot more competitive and will produce less per sq foot than oysters and lions mane due to the long colonization times. Additionally, shiitake has a decent shelf life, robustness and ships well, while oysters don't, so it's easier to 'stand out' as a local, small time oyster and lions mane farmer since you can produce stuff you really can't quite get elsewhere.
I have pondered that aspect and it makes sense definitely. I just figured 200 blocks a week, 3 lbs per block, 600 lbs x $2 = an ok living considering my house is paid for. Easy to just drop bulk on a large wholesaler, no distribution on my end.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: rumfor69]
#27864099 - 07/15/22 08:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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AphexPin said: Why shiitake and not oysters, lions mane, etc? Shiitake is a lot more competitive and will produce less per sq foot than oysters and lions mane due to the long colonization times. Additionally, shiitake has a decent shelf life, robustness and ships well, while oysters don't, so it's easier to 'stand out' as a local, small time oyster and lions mane farmer since you can produce stuff you really can't quite get elsewhere.
I have pondered that aspect and it makes sense definitely. I just figured 200 blocks a week, 3 lbs per block, 600 lbs x $2 = an ok living considering my house is paid for. Easy to just drop bulk on a large wholesaler, no distribution on my end.
3lbs would be a very good yield from a 5lb block though, fiy. And it may be more difficult than you think to secure wholesalers. Not to discourage, I think you should definitely give it a go, but just because you can produce 600lbs a week doesn't mean you'll be able offload that much. I'm trying to do the same with oysters and lions mane right now and it's not easy. I'd definitely start small with oysters and lions mane and just build a good reputation and be consistent. Fortunately the equipment used throughout is identical, shiitakes just need more space and shelves.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AphexPin]
#27864110 - 07/15/22 08:25 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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AphexPin said: 3lbs would be a very good yield from a 5lb block though, fiy. And it may be more difficult than you think to secure wholesalers. Not to discourage, I think you should definitely give it a go, but just because you can produce 600lbs a week doesn't mean you'll be able offload that much. I'm trying to do the same with oysters and lions mane right now and it's not easy. I'd definitely start small with oysters and lions mane, the equipment used throughout is identical, shiitakes just need more space and shelves.
I called 3 different largest food wholesalers around me. They all said that's not very much. The one said I'd have to deliver it cause its so small and they service 4 states including one of the biggest cities in USA. I figured A 40ft shipping container for colonization A 20ft one for fruiting. And go from there.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: rumfor69] 1
#27865005 - 07/16/22 03:51 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Can someone link me the posts where I can figure out how to upload images for the forums and also how to set profile image. Thanks
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kibby] 2
#27865012 - 07/16/22 03:55 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27155585
For avatar, click "Account" under your username, click the "Edit" next to "Personal information, email, password, etc." and scroll down 'til you find the avatar option.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Guerrilla] 2
#27865016 - 07/16/22 04:00 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I got it, Thanks!
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
#27865018 - 07/16/22 04:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Sorta cultivation related:
Are all the different varieties of cubensis just different phenos of the same organism?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#27865024 - 07/16/22 04:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I'm doing the BRF Tek found here: https://mushroomvideos.com/pmwiki.php?n=BRF-Pf-Tek and in the videos it shows him inoculating 4 places in the top of the half pint jars. My question is how much do I put in each hole? Its a half pint with 4 small holes in the 4 corners. If you could please look at the second video on the page to see what I'm referring to will be much appreciated!
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kibby]
#27865026 - 07/16/22 04:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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10 ml per hole if I remember correctly. But honestly you can put a single drop as long as it gets to the hydrated part of cake.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cozmyc]
#27865031 - 07/16/22 04:11 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Isn't the whole syringe 10ml though..?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kibby]
#27865034 - 07/16/22 04:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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My bad,it depends on syringe. 1 ml will do
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kibby]
#27865035 - 07/16/22 04:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah 10ml sounds awfully off. I've never done BRF Tek but there's no way.
Cozmyc I would edit your post to avoid confusion to future readers.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Guerrilla]
#27865039 - 07/16/22 04:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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You're right, 10 ml is a shitload. I always use as little as I can.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cozmyc]
#27865043 - 07/16/22 04:18 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I just saw another video on YouTube that shows a tiny squirt in each of the 4 holes. I'm going to go with that. Thank you guys!
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] 1
#27865061 - 07/16/22 04:30 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: Sorta cultivation related:
Are all the different varieties of cubensis just different phenos of the same organism?
I believe the short answer to be yes, though somebody else may have a long answer.
Whether found in the wild or cultivated, it's simply down to the extremely vast variety of genetics of one species. Isolating / stabilising genetics as much as possible into distinguishable (though not necessarily) phenotypes, is essentially what puts the varieties on the table.
This brings the argument of "a cube, is just a cube".
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
#27865068 - 07/16/22 04:39 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I do 1cc into the center of each cake. You only need two spores, technically, but you know. If I were doing multiple inoculation points, I’d divide the number of sites by 1cc for myself.
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#27865072 - 07/16/22 04:44 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: I do 1cc into the center of each cake. You only need two spores, technically, but you know. If I were doing multiple inoculation points, I’d divide the number of sites by 1cc for myself.
With 1cc, are you using half pint jars? My idea is to give .25cc in 4 different spots. Equaling 1cc per half pint jar.
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