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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: huey.bluey]
#28632758 - 01/24/24 01:40 AM (3 days, 21 hours ago) |
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Why do some people that just start growing, decide to deviate from the Tek they are following, without first having the experience to do so?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Skropi] 1
#28632771 - 01/24/24 02:22 AM (3 days, 20 hours ago) |
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Same reasons as for anything: attachment, aversion, and ignorance
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: rumfor69]
#28632775 - 01/24/24 02:42 AM (3 days, 20 hours ago) |
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 This tub is shallow + high spawn ratio, just for quick fruits , other tubs are much "better" setup. this tub has no drying issues as it's in a controlled area. *other b+ tubs same just a few days behind....* From spore.
Send me links to your favorite read through for tips... I'm not having a yield or tek problem I'm trying to dial in growth style.
I would prefer not to have such tiny dense canopy's lol. harvesting sucks.
Sooo, I'm unhappy lol. *for reference I have 2 strains going in 2 different setup types * the PF is looking like proper pins and the b+ is smaller. I won't go into the setups here but they are performing very very similarly. genetic differences...
My B+ that I've had printed from my first grow is so small. The original tub never did turn out or produce big but...
My question is if I take a tub with the same genetics give it a True Colonization phase to firm it up before fruiting and maybe pack the sub more firm. Can I get tiny fruits to go to fat stubby fruits in 1 generation of cloning or growing:? Or should I be looking to pull a Clone from a later flush? How many Grows does it take on average for YOU to isolate a growth pattern successfully.
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chris77
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Quote:
Silentraindrops said:
 This tub is shallow + high spawn ratio, just for quick fruits , other tubs are much "better" setup. this tub has no drying issues as it's in a controlled area. *other b+ tubs same just a few days behind....*
Send me links to your favorite read through for tips... I'm not having a yield or tek problem I'm trying to dial in growth style.
I would prefer not to have such tiny dense canopy's lol. harvesting sucks.
Sooo, I'm unhappy lol. *for reference I have 2 strains going in 2 different setup types * the PF is looking like proper pins and the b+ is smaller. I won't go into the setups here but they are performing very very similarly. genetic differences...
My B+ that I've had printed from my first grow is so small. The original tub never did turn out or produce big but...
My question is if I take a tub with the same genetics give it a True Colonization phase to firm it up before fruiting and maybe pack the sub more firm. Can I get tiny fruits to go to fat stubby fruits in 1 generation of cloning or growing:? Or should I be looking to pull a Clone from a later flush? How many Grows does it take on average for YOU to isolate a growth pattern successfully.
Complaining about the tub you are showing? Well, i am not sure how to tell you this, but the mushroom gods might send you some green to punish you .. I guess you should rather pray than read

On a more serious note: If you get dense canopies from abundant fruiters you need sufficient amount of bulk (meaning water) to support big fruits. As simple as that
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Edited by chris77 (01/24/24 02:58 AM)
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77]
#28632786 - 01/24/24 03:05 AM (3 days, 20 hours ago) |
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chris77 said: Complaining about the tub you are showing? Well, i am not sure how to tell you this, but the mushroom gods might send you some green to punish you .. I guess you should rather pray than read

They don't scare me lol. BRING IT ON. I'm spreading their messages best I can lol, the least they can do is cooperate with my demands. A little give and take here . I just don't want to spend hours each day harvesting :"*(
These have plenty of Water fyi *dialed "tent"* ... they really don't have that problem in this setup pictured, and the Dub Tub is preforming about the same lol.
Here's the other tub , Same exact amount of spawn higher sub ratio, and in a "dub tub" instead so no water really added after spawning. Still small fruits starting to pop out lol. maybe i'm not packing it enough?

The pf tubs look like they are going to pop off even more fruits than here but they look like they are going to be bigger.... the B+ just fruited a bit ahead and smaller.... GENETICS grrrrr
Edited by Silentraindrops (01/24/24 03:14 AM)
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Silentraindrops said:
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chris77 said: Complaining about the tub you are showing? Well, i am not sure how to tell you this, but the mushroom gods might send you some green to punish you .. I guess you should rather pray than read

They don't scare me lol. BRING IT ON. I'm spreading their messages best I can lol, the least they can do is cooperate with my demands. A little give and take here . I just don't want to spend hours each day harvesting :"*(
These have plenty of Water fyi *dialed "tent"* ... they really don't have that problem in this setup pictured, and the Dub Tub is preforming about the same lol.
Here's the other tub for ref

How would you know if they have enough water? What has your « tent » to do with that? And the dubtubb has nothing to do with my comment neither..
You said yourself that the tub in question has a high spawn ratio?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77]
#28632793 - 01/24/24 03:19 AM (3 days, 20 hours ago) |
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The tent setup ends up replacing most the lost water. *I don't want to go into detail here about "that " setup... These aren't my first run....and i don't have to dunk / soak /inject water between flushes in tent to get great endless flushing lol. The tubs outside need to have water replaced between flushes....
I do side by side runs normally one in my automated setup *when im not using for gourmets* and one outside. The second tub is 100% the same spawn bag just split, with a Higher ratio of sub to spawn.
I Do not know if they have enough water , I'm assuming. The dub tubs were spawned around field capacity. maybe slightly under. The tubs are fruiting about the same size in both situations so I personally think its genetics. I normally don't get large fruits on any of the strains I've tried first flush.... I'm questioning my straight to Fc methods now. not for sake of yields but just ascetics.
Edited by Silentraindrops (01/24/24 03:31 AM)
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Well then, if you can rule out a lack of water and you haved spawned to properly prepared bulk, good luck finding the genetics you are looking for. Maybe its time to go back and roll the dice . There are many threads on about how to isolate and stabilize (or almost)
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77]
#28632798 - 01/24/24 03:36 AM (3 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Part 2 of the question then , I know this is reaching into the advanced pot but I'm tired of reading *just right now no flame plz* i want to ask questions tooo lol.
what's the most effective way to Isolate fast?
Should I just roll the dice and pray?
Should I just clone the largest fruits over and over?
Is their anything I can do to force mutations that's worked reliably for anyone? And if I was able to make them grow fat and squat through outside means *place a book on them? jk* would that growth translate into a clone sample or does the growth have come "naturally" and not by outside force.
Link me your favorite article of someone doing work....
Edited by Silentraindrops (01/24/24 03:37 AM)
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nerex]
#28632799 - 01/24/24 03:41 AM (3 days, 19 hours ago) |
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Nerex said: I got a little half ass european PC which takes just 2 quarts jars barely... in order to make it run for like 3 hour I need to put in water enough to reach almost half the jars' height. Would be OK too for sterilizing?<
Maybe I put too much water in, but I don't want to risk to get a dry PC and leave that way.
Are you turning the heat down once it gets up to pressure or is it constantly blowing tons of steam out?
I use an Instant Pot which automatically regulates temperature and I barely lose any water once I stop venting and let it get up to pressure. I use around 2L of water in a 7L Instant pot when sterilizing 3x 1L jars for 4 hours.
Edited by arnold582 (01/24/24 03:43 AM)
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: TPython]
#28632826 - 01/24/24 04:49 AM (3 days, 18 hours ago) |
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TPython said: Yeah I guess if you're set on no pour than these wouldn't work. I hot pour in a SAB with good results.
Condiment Cups
Slime mold cups work for no pour
Have some of the brand above I've ran three times so far without noticable integrity loss or brittleness.
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Silentraindrops said: Part 2 of the question then , I know this is reaching into the advanced pot but I'm tired of reading *just right now no flame plz* i want to ask questions tooo lol.
what's the most effective way to Isolate fast?
Low nutrient agar and small fruiting trays in a martha or something similar for testing lots of genetics. Shoebox totes are okay too if you don't have a martha.
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Should I just clone the largest fruits over and over?
Take lots of clones of traits you want (people generally prefer clusters to large fruits for yield but suit yourself). Test them. Keep the winners.
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Is their anything I can do to force mutations that's worked reliably for anyone?
Expose the mycelium to UV light. Or bacteria. Environmental stress that can damage DNA basically.
But 99% of mutations aren't desirable. And most are also sterile.
Much easier to just grab a PE or APE syringe and either be happy with it, or cross it with something else.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog]
#28632840 - 01/24/24 05:04 AM (3 days, 18 hours ago) |
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Ty for tips tree, ya I figured the long answer short would be just pick up a Already established iso. I just have enough genetics :P so i will wait.
Ya i knew my answers kinda ;P. I have yielders Lol
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If you want to stabilise a culture there is no quick way. Mycology favors the patient. And you have got some Reading to do if you want to isolate properly, wether you like it or not  All the best, have fun
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77]
#28632852 - 01/24/24 05:23 AM (3 days, 17 hours ago) |
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chris77 said: If you want to stabilise a culture there is no quick way. Mycology favors the patient. And you have got some Reading to do if you want to isolate properly, wether you like it or not  All the best, have fun
I know It makes me sad , Isolating is Brutal lol.
ISN"T THERE ANY SHORTCUTS HERE JESUS this HOBBY IS A DRAG lol. joking.
I have more than i could ever want and now i'm just being picky lol.... I want Pan cyans to be as large as penis envy and i want my cubes to grow like a tree so i can slice of pieces of a single shroom for a wedding .
And my harvests to take 10 mins max lol. Give me a simple answer to make those dreams happen.
Edited by Silentraindrops (01/24/24 05:25 AM)
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Is it ok to double PC grains (wheat)? Had a power cut on like 1hr 30m & pressure dropped to 0
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stockw] 1
#28632910 - 01/24/24 06:51 AM (3 days, 16 hours ago) |
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stockw said: Is it ok to double PC grains (wheat)? Had a power cut on like 1hr 30m & pressure dropped to 0
Yes If they were properly hydrated in the first place you should be fine
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77]
#28632963 - 01/24/24 07:40 AM (3 days, 15 hours ago) |
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Has anyone experimented with various environmental variables that affect the growth of Cubensis mycelium? I know there are recommended "optimal" conditions, but I'd be interested to see the hard data, if it exists publicly.
This would help us understand the process better and have the right expectations when conditions deviate from "optimal", e.g. now that temperatures are lower in many parts of the world.
According to this paper (Table 2), oyster mushroom mycelium grows 50% faster at 28 C (82 F) compared to 24 C (75 F), or twice as fast compared to 20 C (68 F), or 3 times faster than 16 C (60 F).
I'm wondering whether this curve is also accurate for cubes, +- a couple of degrees?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: arnold582] 1
#28633048 - 01/24/24 08:55 AM (3 days, 14 hours ago) |
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Different strains will have different preferences.
There's cold and warm weather Shiitake for example, and they'll have different optimal conditions.
Something I'm playing around with is light during grain and agar runs. Read recently that light is important for all stages of growth. Not just fruiting.
No side by sides to prove anything. Was already giving light to my sclerotia jars. So, I just moved my plates and other jars to get some light too.
Edit: Happy 420 post to me! I guess I should burn one.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog] 1
#28633058 - 01/24/24 09:06 AM (3 days, 14 hours ago) |
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I'm thinking if breaking apart my old hard maple skateboard decks into chips, and using them to grow some Wine caps and other wood lovers. Could this work? I have alot of old decks I'm too nostalgic to throw away
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