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caseyjensentattoos said: One more for now. When you guys shake grain jars do you worry about the grain making contact with the filter or anything? It seems like it could contaminate that way
Meh. IMO a much more important consideration is the grains/water not hitting the filter when you PC, and that's really only a consideration when you're laying quart jars sideways to fit 10 in a 23-quart. But that's why we use the foil. Both micropore tape and SFDs will dry out in a couple days and provide enough filtration/GE either way - as long as they're not accidentally soaked in agar.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Roushomm]
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B Traven said: Here's my configuration for wide-mouths, I literally took this picture as reference so I don't have to go through the trial and error of trying to close the lid each time:

The key to any of these configurations is looking at the components of the lid and figuring out which ones jut down into the chamber and need a bit of clearance to slide into place. You can get away with sticking out ever so slightly, as long as you don't infringe on those zones. Knowing that it can be done is a key part of it, too lol
What type of lid is under the foil?
Also, PSA for those that are newer, be aware that if using no-prep grain tek that the water can (and will pending your choice of lid) leak out when placed horizontally. Not an issue for boiled oat tek (or soaked grain tek) where water content is already retain in the grain going to PC.
I wish this was clear to me before I tried more than 7 no-prep; the horizontal jars for me were too dry for the culture to colonize. (Edit: using ball plastic lids w/ 1/4β hole and full sfd under lid, finger tight).
If you're careful I think you can orient the jar so the filter is at the top and water won't get out. I have yet to try this, though.
Might not work for full SFDs or lids with filters in the center.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefSupremeJr] 1
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"ten quarts in a 23qt presto"
i tried like ten different configurations last time and i couldnt figure it out. I get 9. Are you taking the trivet out? Seems not good. im good at tetris. What the fuck. how are yall doing this?
Well I just tried a dry run load with my 23qt presto (with millet weighed out for tomorrow). I'm using 5 wide mouth non-decorated Bernardin and 5 regular mouth Golden Harvest. Canadian brands. All with Ball lids.
Single layer of regular jar rings on the bottom, then Presto trivet, then 7 jars (same heights), trivet, 3 jars.
With the wide mouth on top, I can't fit 3:
With the regular mouth, I can:

I tried the =| orientation too. No dice 
I'll be trying to no-soak no-simmer the top 3 jars for the first time tomorrow. Hopefully the filter stickers there won't get ruined. I'll orient them so they're as high as possible. We'll see...
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AyePlus]
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BeefSupremeJr said: Okay this is the 20th time ive heard this:
"ten quarts in a 23qt presto"
i tried like ten different configurations last time and i couldnt figure it out. I get 9. Are you taking the trivet out? Seems not good. im good at tetris. What the fuck. how are yall doing this?
Well I just tried a dry run load with my 23qt presto (with millet weighed out for tomorrow). I'm using 5 wide mouth non-decorated Bernardin and 5 regular mouth Golden Harvest. Canadian brands. All with Ball lids.
Single layer of regular jar rings on the bottom, then Presto trivet, then 7 jars (same heights), trivet, 3 jars.
With the wide mouth on top, I can't fit 3:
With the regular mouth, I can:

I tried the =| orientation too. No dice 
I'll be trying to no-soak no-simmer the top 3 jars for the first time tomorrow. Hopefully the filter stickers there won't get ruined. I'll orient them so they're as high as possible. We'll see...
Take the jar rings out, put the trivet on the bottom and try again. A second trivet is unneccesary.
Uhh... I'm not sure how having more height is going to make the PC's diameter bigger.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Bobgas] 1
#28178528 - 02/08/23 11:07 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bobgas said: To get 10 in using gray plastic lids, I have to use one metal 2 piece lid with 2 plastic gray lids on the top level.
Ball lids and wide mouth jars with a trivet on the bottom and one between the layers of jars.
Okay, confirmed - I had to take out ALL rings and trivets, AND angle the top layer jars up slightly. But man, that's a fight. Regular mouth jars seem handy to have around purely to avoid that fight... Plus they're about $5 cheaper per flat, here.
Thanks Bobgas!
@AyePlus damn 2 vertical, color me jelly.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Veshan]
#28179093 - 02/09/23 09:10 AM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Veshan said: What do you mean vent your PC?
After the water inside starts boiling fully and steam starts to come out the vent hard, setting a timer for 15 minutes and waiting before putting the weight on, to get the bulk of the unsterile air out.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: 7mm_Dead] 1
#28179206 - 02/09/23 10:22 AM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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7mm_Dead said: My tap water is sometime heavily chlorinated. Is that ok for the PF tek process, or any other process like misting etc?
With seedlings I always left the water out for 24 hours to let chlor(am)ine evaporate. Running an air stone speeds this up.
It's probably fine though if it's not super hard water - get a TDS meter and you can have a better idea.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers: Rhizomorphic Growth? [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28179841 - 02/09/23 05:16 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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ReverendMyc said: Yup, temperature is dependent of pressure, so at your altitude 15 psi quiet is the same as 15 psi and noisy. You just use less water if the jiggler is quiet. I use a washer instead of the quarters. On the presto 23 qt, you can just unscrew the plastic bit and place a washer on it.
 Not my original idea, but I like it.

Oh TIL, I like that more than taping some quarters on!
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LtLurker]
#28180248 - 02/09/23 10:29 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Any harm in PCing syringes for 2 hours? Trying to multitask with my grain runs.
Edit: Filled them to 5mL and foil-packeted them, then sandwiched them between a couple quart jars. I'm only using them for Josex pokes.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LtLurker]
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dowodenum said: Any harm in PCing syringes for 2 hours? Trying to multitask with my grain runs.
Edit: Filled them to 5mL and foil-packeted them, then sandwiched them between a couple quart jars. I'm only using them for Josex pokes.
No harm. I do this all the time fully drawn out. Make sure you leave the needle on and capped. Itll always gas pressure exchange. Without that they can blow out.
Great thanks, that's what I ended up doing.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Gleyck] 1
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Gleyck said: still in an ongoing struggle to dial things in in my new colder apartment... for the first time, I'm having these condensation drop lines in the walls of my mini-tub. I know this is no bueno...as you can see, there's a layer of wet coir at the surface rim that's not been colonised by the water polling ... but what is causing it and how can I solve it?
You can add some 1/4" FAE holes along the bottom but above the sub, and scotch tape them up if it proves to be too much. Condensation is the cause from the running causing warmth and the outside of the tub being cool. The sweat drops aren't always a problem, SFF's shoebox factory tek actually aims for it when soak misting the casing layer. Other than that, wiping some paper towel on the bottom of the lid might help but it's tedious.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Galavant]
#28183938 - 02/12/23 12:06 PM (11 months, 8 days ago) |
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Galavant said: I made no-pour agar in small PP5 deli dishes. I put a 1/16β hole with paper tape on the side of the cups to let them not pop apart or vacuum crush in the PC. I was moving some and the condensation inside sloshed around and got my micropore tape vent wet. Is that ok? Or do I need to re-sterilize them?
You'll want to avoid that, but water is better than coating the tape with liquid agar! It'll dry out, but the moisture can be a vector for contam to get in.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: hazyhorse] 1
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hazyhorse said: dude itβs so easy to fall behind with cult work. when i started it seemed like nothing could ever move fast enough; now iβm finding myself letting plates overgrow & letting spawn go a few weeks longer than i should 
I spawned a random half-ziploc quart of Amazon spawn the other day by just chucking some coir in, shaking, compressing, then adding a pseudocasing on top, compressing, and giving a heavy mist. It was so simple! I might give a bottle tek a shot...
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: iNcontroL]
#28184813 - 02/13/23 01:06 AM (11 months, 8 days ago) |
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Clone tissue on agar. After contacting a pool of condensate this showed up next day everywhere condensate touched. Mycelium spread or bacterial?
Looks like both to me. Transfer a tiny piece from 12:30ish and hope for the best?
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DarkStarPsychonaut said: If my fruits seem to do better when Iβm gone and they get no attention at all, in SGFC or mono, does that mean I am overwatering them? Bc pins and small mushrooms sometimes seem stalled when Iβm home (and Iβm fanning/misting) and Iβm not even sure if they will abort or grow. But I leave for a week or more and they grow happy as can be. Do I just need to do less and fight my instincts to give them daily attention?
Shouldn't need to fan, dial the passive FAE and you won't need to mist much either.
And yeah spores are fine to eat.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28187836 - 02/14/23 09:45 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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I think it's a resolution thing. Phone screens aren't as wide?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: gabbk]
#28187892 - 02/14/23 10:40 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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If you've got a small fridge that you can set to around 7C, you can keep unused jars in there. But they're good for a while if properly PC'd. And refrigeration can cause condensation.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Bismillah]
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Bismillah said: I have some coir in a box that was pasterurized last year. I'm guessing it's not wise to use as is. Can I just steam boil it to make sure it's clean? Squeeze and/or add verm to adjust field capacity?
Not sure I understand pasteurization for coir: it's supposed to keep beneficial micro-organisms, but who knows what's in there to begin with?
If the box was sealed relatively well, it could be okay. Lots of people just hydrate (boiling, bucket tek) and use coir without pasteurization. You can bake it too, which I found cleaner than steaming.
If it's been hydrated+pasteurized once and has been sitting for a year, you'd think it'd have germinated whatever by now, and you'd be able to smell it, no?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Galavant]
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knupKlY said: Okay side question, I also would like to start examining and experimenting a new cube and I am having beyond trouble choosing, anyone know a fun one to try?
Iβm doing Golden Teacher now, but I ordered my next one already, and itβs not going to be a cube at allβ¦ Itβs gunna be Ps. Natalensis. Sounds super good on paper; Better contamination resistance, strong grower, better potency, exotic but works with normal cube tek.
Find some good wood pellets! I'm interested in P. nat too, but not sure I have the time.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Excess Taters]
#28189539 - 02/15/23 11:00 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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Weioo said: Hey fellas, I just inoculated for the first time using 1/2 pint BRF cakes via PF TEK. Im looking to clean up an area for the SGFC to settle in. Unfortunately my entire house is carpeted except my overly stuffed storage room.

That being said this isn't ideal but the best spot with the least amount of traffic, in my basement below the stairs. It stays about 65F this time of year. π
I plan to place the SGFC on that table and elevated on a wire shelf, up about 8".
I need to do a deep clean after I make some room for all that junk in the way. What's my best odds of success for sterilizing the area? I'm going to dust and vacuum really well, clean the walls and spray everything down with ISO.
Should I buy and use some carpet or fabric disinfectant spray? Anybody have any experience with this? Any particular brand/type or is it useless?
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Excess Taters said: You don't have to do anything like that. While conditions might matter like 1% of the time due to 1% of places being complete shit, in 99% of situations whatever room you're in is clean enough. When all your grains are colonized, they're contam resistant because the mycelium already has control of the neighborhood. Think of nutrition as gas. It doesn't matter whether it's mold, bacteria, or whatever, it needs nutrition to grow. Colonized nutrition is safe, coir and verm are non nutritious. So you are safe.
Confirm. No need to iso the carpet. But you can rent a carpet cleaner if you're paranoid! Probably a good idea regardless of any myco aspirations, if it's been a while.
I've done everything this year in my kitchen. I'll use vinegar to clean the counters and stovetop. Sweep and vacuum the laminate flooring. Take out the garbage often. But there's houseplants and it's connected to a living room with more plants and curtains, furniture, and a big floor rug. Yeah, I've got a flow hood, but it's nothing special. I'm not even sure if the kit seller matched the fan to the filter tbh ._.
Focus on sterile technique! Make a ton of agar and wax on, wax off.
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