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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28034972 - 11/05/22 06:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Hello everyone,

First time grower, long time lurker.  I've finally reached harvest on my first set of PF cakes, after mistakingly buying a premade kit that failed... I'd like to say spectacularly, but it was real quiet as nothing happened at all. 

All of my cakes colonized, but I made a few mistakes, I used a heater to provide fae for like 10-30 minutes a day for 3-4 days, and the cakes most in the direction of that air did a lot poorer than my other cakes. 

So I've got like... 7/9 cakes that are basically in the final stages of fruiting.  So 2/9 = never grew but maybe a few small pins now, 3/9 harvested, 4/9 closing in on time to harvest.

My question is, how should I approach the second flush with this?  I still need to mist/fan for the 4 cakes that are closing in on being ready for harvest.  Yet the other 5 cakes likely need to dry out.  Should I be putting them in an empty tub and just waiting for them to dry out while maintaining humidity in my fruiting chamber?


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Rotnpins]
    #28035071 - 11/05/22 06:38 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thanks, I'm glad to be here!

Alright, so fanning is outdated, I'd seen that posted in some places but there's so many different opinions that it was hard to sort what was right on that. 

I'd read that letting it dry out for 3-5 days then dunking was the proper path, but as there's so much conflicting information and I know very little, it's hard to tell what's right.  I've got a SGFC set up.


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: zmicroinquisitor]
    #28035572 - 11/05/22 09:51 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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zmicroinquisitor said:
Good movie to watch high?




I'm working off the premise that you're tripping, not high.

Samsara when it comes to movies.  Fair warning, it's anti industrialization and factory farming, but the unenjoyable part is pretty short and intentionally jarring.

Youtube short video wise, Felix Colgrave and Dan Deacon stuff is very good when tripping.  Good otherwise too, better when tripping, especially if experienced first in that manner.


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
    #28035597 - 11/05/22 10:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Excess Taters said:
Hello everyone,

First time grower, long time lurker.  I've finally reached harvest on my first set of PF cakes, after mistakingly buying a premade kit that failed... I'd like to say spectacularly, but it was real quiet as nothing happened at all. 

All of my cakes colonized, but I made a few mistakes, I used a heater to provide fae for like 10-30 minutes a day for 3-4 days, and the cakes most in the direction of that air did a lot poorer than my other cakes. 

So I've got like... 7/9 cakes that are basically in the final stages of fruiting.  So 2/9 = never grew but maybe a few small pins now, 3/9 harvested, 4/9 closing in on time to harvest.

My question is, how should I approach the second flush with this?  I still need to mist/fan for the 4 cakes that are closing in on being ready for harvest.  Yet the other 5 cakes likely need to dry out.  Should I be putting them in an empty tub and just waiting for them to dry out while maintaining humidity in my fruiting chamber?




:hi: welcome to the shroomery

I would harvest, and then either dunk them and put them back in the tub, or put then right back in the tub for a few days..

Also, stop fanning.. passive FAE is much more effective without risking drying things out and causing the surface to become matted..

What kind of tub are you using? Water tub/SGFC?




:solidnod:

Yep.

No fanning. Good ol dunk after harvest and right back in.




Thanks for confirming, will do!


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: HairyPotter]
    #28036196 - 11/06/22 09:16 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Are these boys aborts, or do they deserve some time to grow?  First grow and I'm in the middle of harvesting/second flush.



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: hazyhorse]
    #28036370 - 11/06/22 11:23 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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those look dry af to me, did you dunk after the first harvest? maybe try giving them a bottom water & solid mist




The two on the left with the darker caps are still in the first flush, I did dunk prior to that flush, but I fucked up and used a heater to provide FAE + heat 20 minutes a day, because my temps are a bit sub optimal.  Turns out that was dumb as fuck, but at least it didn't kill my entire grow and every cake is producing.  The other cakes have been harvested, dunked for 12hrs, and now they're back in there, barring the one that's will be ready for harvest tonight.

I don't have time to bottom water right this sec, but I'll get to it later tonight, and I just misted them to hold it down till then.  Thanks for the advice!


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Screwup]
    #28038989 - 11/07/22 07:01 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Hi guys, I was wondering what this blue/grey mark on my cake is.  It doesn't seem like dryness to me, though admittedly this cake was terribly dry at some points.



Since this is my first grow, I got no idea and I'd like some clarity.  Thanks folks!


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Rusty2096]
    #28039230 - 11/07/22 08:58 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Hardcore bruising... or blue cheese 🧀

Edit: still looks dry to me




Yeah, it's a thirsty bastard.  Thanks for letting me know it's not some deadly smurf virus.


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Grogu]
    #28059310 - 11/18/22 11:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Hi guys.  I was wondering if there are any things I should be looking out for on my cakes as I go through the flushes.  I'm on flush 2 moving onto 3 at this point (of my first grow), and I'm wondering what signs indicate that cakes are dying, contaminated or should be disposed of.  I've done a moderate amount of searching but found nothing definitive.  The thing that's made me slightly concerned is that some stumps/aborts seem to turn a bit black, I'm not sure how normal that is. 

Any thoughts on this are appreciated.  Thanks!


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: hazyhorse] * 1
    #28059322 - 11/18/22 11:34 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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hazyhorse said:
black/deep blue is probably just bruising, pretty normal for the cakes to look ratty after first flush. post pics if you want definitive answers

if you don't notice hyper-white patches, dusty green/blue/grey patches etc. you're probably fine. if the cakes are still producing, they are probably fine. most people don't keep shit around after 3 flushes because you get diminishing returns, but if you don't need the fruiting chamber for anything else, no reason not to keep them around until they (maybe) contam or stop producing if you want to.




Awesome, thank you very much for the information.  I've butchered my first shot, but I've cranked out a decent amount all things considered.  Everything is still producing and going well, I just didn't want to walk into any more mistakes.  Had them too dry, then I got them too wet.  I'm like the stock market, just fluctuating between extremes trying to find a balance.


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Grogu]
    #28060075 - 11/19/22 12:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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shroomsurf said:
Hey everyone, I'm a few days from doing my first shoebox sterlyte 6qt with handles. I think I remember to not mod it in any way and do it with latches unlatched!?

I like to go straight to fruiting...

And then when fruits hit top of lid take lid off and use smellyhobbit high tek plastic bag over shoebox with couple poked holes, is that correct?

Anything else? I'll be doing my shoebox at 1:2 with liner...

Yes I know 1:3 is ideal but I want to learn the difference so I'll konw for myself...

Thanks for any help,

:mushroom2:




It sounds like you might be thinking of this tek.  I haven't done it yet though, so I won't comment on anything, except to say if it's this tek latches are latched till 48hrs before harvest. 

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26009662


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Augusto]
    #28064212 - 11/22/22 12:15 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I've got 3 lbs of grain spawn and 13 pf cakes, currently they're only about 12.5% colonized.  In 36 days I need to have some mushrooms, I'm taking my brothers/sister/mom out to Trans Siberian Orchestra and I want to have at least 15gs of mushrooms by then.  I think I'll be doing a few PF cakes for quick mushrooms and the rest in shoe boxes, what would you suggest to make sure I have enough mushrooms in time for the event? 

Is my current plan sufficient?  I spent a lot on all these tickets, with seats where the light show will be dope.  Gotta make sure I can deliver on everything I want to make it an unforgettable event.  I can always find some, but I really want to have my own batch ready in time.

--Ecuadorian and Puerto Rican (grains EC, Jars EC 3x, PR 10x)


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: SingularFusion]
    #28064481 - 11/22/22 09:30 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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TheUsualSuspect said:
You want us all to judge an unknown skill of grower, unknown ingredients, materials, process and genetics and guess if you will produce 15 grams + of dried mushrooms in 36 days... what are we playing here, retard bingo?

In my opinion, you should have saved up from 16 days ago if this was important to you. mushrooms grow at the speed they feel like, not the speed you want them to. Even if you are meeting the pope, or flying to the space station, or going to the superbowl.

Can you grow 15+ grams in 36 days? theres no way of knowing.




I do still have my cakes and they appear like they'll put out another flush.  I wanted to gift some shrooms to everyone though, so I did and gambled on making it in time.  Now I've realized I was perhaps premature.

My reason for asking was two fold, first I wanted to know if there were any methods that resulted in quicker mushrooms.  I'm new to this, and I've seen monotubs (on video) go from colonized spawn to first flush in a few weeks.  The shoebox tek seems to fall between 19-31 days.  I've also seen some people mention more colonized spawn would result in quicker spawn->fruiting conditions.  I don't know if certain methods are quicker, certain ratios are, or if it's all primarily variance and skill level.

The other reason was just a desire for some measure of reassurance.  I know I'll be fine one way or another, but if there were things I could do to increase the odds that my grow makes it in time, I would have appreciated it.  I do apologize for being vague, I'm new to this, but I could have written a better post.



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Nef said:
Probably won't make it, unless of course the grain is squeaky clean and your process is perfected

I am guessing yours is not though, and probably I guess you injected the grain with some spores, so they may not finish at all, hard to say

The PF will be unlikely to make it in that time, however is the perfect media for shooting spores onto, so you should get some mushrooms, just probably not in 36 days from start to finish. If you do manage it, it will be very tight for sure

Honestly seems unlikely you are going to be ready with your own, I would have a backup plan in place

:dealershrooms::dealer:




Thanks.  Yeah, I injected them, though I know it's frowned upon.  I did order everything for agar and all that, along with some millet, but it won't be here for 2-3 days.  This will eliminate my reliance on spore syringes and I'll just G2G from that point forward.  I should have some mushrooms popping in the next few days, so on the weekend I'd have the option to do something with that if it would increase my odds of success.  Being new I'm kinda jumping in both feet first, and I like kinda forcing myself into tough situations to create pressure.  It's weird, but it's just how I function best, which is why I made the gamble to give away what I had stashed.

Thanks for your perspective, it seems my guess that I'm 50/50 probably isn't too far off.  Those odds plus having a backup option is enough comfort to eliminate the random panic I had last night when I realized things might take longer than I initially thought.


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: HairyPotter]
    #28066011 - 11/23/22 01:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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HairyPotter said:
Ahh didn't know that. Been trying with MVP.




I don't know about that strain, but I attempted 4 spore prints.  Only my last one worked.  I waited a bit longer that time, but prior to spores dropping.  I think that may be part of it, though I know very little.  It just seems to me that I was snipping the earlier mushrooms too early.


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Vibetyme] * 1
    #28069565 - 11/25/22 10:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I've got some pf tek jars growing, a suspect grain spawn + MSS doing their thing, and some 3rd flush cakes going.  Those cakes are still in the SGFC, though my next ones will be shoeboxed or watertubbed.  I've got 16 agar plates that should be solid as well.  My current intention is to clone the next biggest mushroom that grows on my cakes, and use that on agar to get something for the next sterilized grain I make.  Then as I wait for that stuff to happen, the initial PF tek jars + grain spawn should be at a stage where they're producing something, and I'll clone those to agar and use them for grain spawn then do G2G, assuming I prefer those genetics to my current ones. 

Alternatively, if my grain spawn seems good once it's fully colonized, I could attempt to G2G it into some quart jars, though I want mushrooms sooner so I was thinking about going half or 2/3rds on a shoebox and G2G the remaining to get the best of both worlds, though it seems a bit ambitious for someone as new to this as I am.

Does that sound like a good plan?  I'm completely new to this, beyond having 1 successful PF tek to my name.  Would you take a different route in my shoes?  I don't mind buying a few things and doing something different if it's optimal.


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Drying temps [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28072857 - 11/28/22 11:46 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Here's a direct link.

Study link pdf


https://postimg.cc/XptbZtLH

Either way, it showed a very low level of degradation at 75°c, or ~165 ish.  Like... 5-10% compared to lower numbers, I think that's more confirmation that we're correct in basically ignoring that minimal degradation. 

I don't know why the image doesn't want to link directly, but the table from the study with temps is linked below the study now.


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If you've never grown mushrooms before, here's how you start.  First, follow the Updated PF Tek, put 4 holes in jar lids not 1, and use a water tub! 
The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
Growing APE or PE?  P9 pseudo casing tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Hood2323]
    #28073044 - 11/28/22 01:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I'm assuming these freaky bastards are fine, but they're angry looking and I need to know whether I can trust them.  I've watched X-Men, but I'm still a bit mutantphobic.  Also, am I correct in assuming this is how cakes tell you they're spent.

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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Polk_Audio3]
    #28073153 - 11/28/22 02:32 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Polk_Audio3 said:
I got one doing that too just 1




My mutant used to be a solo rider, but on the third flush he called on the rest of his people it seems.


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
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Re: Drying temps [Re: Proposition 122]
    #28075102 - 11/29/22 07:34 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

This forum is littered with tons of old data that was the best we knew back then, but is not correct anymore.  That's why we have warnings about how old things are.  I had that same misgiving initially thinking I'd have to half destroy a dehydrator to remove the heating element.  I wonder if we should have a tek that goes over all the outdated advice that leads to this confusion.


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
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Re: Drying temps [Re: Rusty2096] * 1
    #28075120 - 11/29/22 07:41 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Rusty2096 said:
Tek: in doubt, disregard very old shit and read newer shit.

:pointmade:




This was a wonderful ted talk, thank you very much!


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The next move is Shoebox Tek. After that you move onto grains, agar, monotubs.  Agar is easy, just do it.
Other useful links - Picture guide for how things should look and proper surface conditions guide
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