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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome] * 1
    #28231032 - 03/15/23 06:47 PM (10 months, 8 days ago)

Hey guys,

This is my first ever grow and just wanted some extra eyes on it. I inoculated it on 3/10 with a multi spore syringe of Golden Teacher that is from one of the vendors on here. I first saw growth on 3/13 and it looks like today 3/15  it has started to spread out on the bottom. The color or is a bright white.  I injected 3cc on 2 bags and 4cc on 1 bag so that is why it may look a bit wet on the bottom. I assume shaking it at 10-30% colonization will help redistribute the moisture.

Bags still smell like grain with no change in smell. I’ve been keeping them in an insulated cooler with a fisher heater in pickle jar. Temps stay at a consistent 70-72F. Currently need to do this as it is winter and the room can be between 55F to 67F.

First picture is day 3 and the second one is day 5 (Today). Hopefully this is lookin good to everyone else. I appreciate any feed back, thank you!





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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
    #28233014 - 03/16/23 11:10 PM (10 months, 7 days ago)

Hey,

I am new to this thread so I hope I’m replying the right way.

I started my first grow and honestly an newb at this and it looks like I got bacterial contam in the pre sterilized bags so I’m going to ride it out to see if it can survive. (Should have read up more before starting)

I am going to experiment with agar once I get my plates in the mail (will make them when I get a PC). As I would only be using a small portion of my multi spore syringe do I need to sterilize anything like the cap before I put it back into storage for the next use? If so, would would be the best way to minimize the contams?

Any tips would be most appreciated!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
    #28233031 - 03/16/23 11:32 PM (10 months, 7 days ago)

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Way said:
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Newshroom42 said:
Hey,

I am new to this thread so I hope I’m replying the right way.

I started my first grow and honestly an newb at this and it looks like I got bacterial contam in the pre sterilized bags so I’m going to ride it out to see if it can survive. (Should have read up more before starting)

I am going to experiment with agar once I get my plates in the mail (will make them when I get a PC). As I would only be using a small portion of my multi spore syringe do I need to sterilize anything like the cap before I put it back into storage for the next use? If so, would would be the best way to minimize the contams?

Any tips would be most appreciated!




When you flame sterilize the needle prior to inoculation, you are preparing it for agar or inoculation. There is no need to do anything special with the cap when you store it.

I inoculate, cap, and stick in a plastic bag in the fridge. Next time I pull it out and flame it, it is ready to go again. Anything that was in the cap and moved onto the needle is dead.





Ah okay that makes sense, I assume it’s pretty unlikely for contaminates to transfer up the needle as it’s full as liquid. I got syringes from a Shroomery vendor about 2 weeks ago.  They are in the bubble mailer that they came in located in a closed drawer. Do you think I should store them in the fridge or would they be fine staying where they are?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: gww]
    #28233680 - 03/17/23 12:33 PM (10 months, 6 days ago)

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Newshroom42
Take it for what it is worth from a newer grower myself but I believe a spore syringe probably has no nutrients in it and is probably fine at room temp for a long time.
Cheers
gww





Ok thank you, I will leave it where it is then!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
    #28233686 - 03/17/23 12:37 PM (10 months, 6 days ago)

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Way said:
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Newshroom42 said:
Quote:

Way said:
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Newshroom42 said:
Hey,

I am new to this thread so I hope I’m replying the right way.

I started my first grow and honestly an newb at this and it looks like I got bacterial contam in the pre sterilized bags so I’m going to ride it out to see if it can survive. (Should have read up more before starting)

I am going to experiment with agar once I get my plates in the mail (will make them when I get a PC). As I would only be using a small portion of my multi spore syringe do I need to sterilize anything like the cap before I put it back into storage for the next use? If so, would would be the best way to minimize the contams?

Any tips would be most appreciated!




When you flame sterilize the needle prior to inoculation, you are preparing it for agar or inoculation. There is no need to do anything special with the cap when you store it.

I inoculate, cap, and stick in a plastic bag in the fridge. Next time I pull it out and flame it, it is ready to go again. Anything that was in the cap and moved onto the needle is dead.





Ah okay that makes sense, I assume it’s pretty unlikely for contaminates to transfer up the needle as it’s full as liquid. I got syringes from a Shroomery vendor about 2 weeks ago.  They are in the bubble mailer that they came in located in a closed drawer. Do you think I should store them in the fridge or would they be fine staying where they are?




They are fine where they are. There has been cases of people pulling syringes out of drawers after like 5 years and they are still good. I put mine in the fridge because long term storage, cool dark places are best, and I can control the climate better. If you're gonna be using them soonish it doesn't matter at all.




Ok thank you! I will keep them where they are as they are in the dark an in a fairly stable environment


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
    #28242018 - 03/22/23 08:54 PM (10 months, 1 day ago)

Anyone know what type of mold this is. I just threw it in the compost pile as I’m not going to risk it. I also have 2 other bags but doesn’t look like any mold contam, maybe bacterial but not sure.

First time growing and didn’t read enough to realize I should have done agar rather than spore to grain.  This is 12 days after inoculation.



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Grogu]
    #28242141 - 03/22/23 09:58 PM (10 months, 1 day ago)

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Newshroom42 said:
Anyone know what type of mold this is. I just threw it in the compost pile as I’m not going to risk it. I also have 2 other bags but doesn’t look like any mold contam, maybe bacterial but not sure.

First time growing and didn’t read enough to realize I should have done agar rather than spore to grain.  This is 12 days after inoculation.






The first one is scary, the other 4 look like the myc is covering the milo touching the bag so that is a good sign so just the first one sucks through my perspective...

:leocheers:




I agree I already took it out of my incubator (need one for the winter temps) and put it in the compost pile. Maybe I’ll check one day and see some growing there haha


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: dowodenum]
    #28242147 - 03/22/23 10:00 PM (10 months, 1 day ago)

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Newshroom42 said:
Anyone know what type of mold this is. I just threw it in the compost pile as I’m not going to risk it. I also have 2 other bags but doesn’t look like any mold contam, maybe bacterial but not sure.

First time growing and didn’t read enough to realize I should have done agar rather than spore to grain.  This is 12 days after inoculation.





Orange can be slime mold, or very severe bacteria causing lots of metabolite. Either way, that bag is trash IMO




It was kinda wispy and looked like some type of mold. Definitely got rid of it. Kinda sucks as it seems like the most colonized bags, but better to show now than in the tub


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Grogu]
    #28242172 - 03/22/23 10:16 PM (10 months, 1 day ago)

Yess haha *whole compost pile is covered and dehydrator is crying* 🤣


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Cashmunnay]
    #28244522 - 03/24/23 11:30 AM (9 months, 30 days ago)

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How should I store my jar of culture after inoculation, if my house is always cold. Something cheap and easy? If u have an idea that can help.





I would say room temp should be pretty ideal. I made an incubator in a cooler for my spawn. I took a gallon pickle jar (could be smaller if space is a concern), got a 50w fish tank heater, water weld epoxy, and an outlet temperature control with a probe.

What you would want to do is empty the pickle jar, make a hole that is big enough for the fish heater. Then you will want to mix the 2 part water weld epoxy. You would apply it to the top of the lid to bond the fish heater to the top of the lid. I put on a pretty thick layer and used a little less than half a tube which worked good. I would try to get the heater as straight as possible by keeping the lid on the jar when you apply it/let it cure.

After an hour or so it should be cured and you can then put more expoxy on the bottom of the lid. The fish heater should be pretty secure at this point so you won’t have to worry about it shifting if you put a thick coat on the top. When you do the bottom of the lid make sure that the epoxy covers the area where the glass on the heater meets the top of the heater as I believe it could leak through that space (I didn’t risk it I did that and it did not leak.

After you have these steps done you can fill the jar with water to the top and put the lid on. When I did this I did notice my seal was a little messed up where it was leaking a little, but I cut the fingers off of a surgical glove and put it over the opening. This seemed to seal it up pretty good and I got no leaks.

A couple things to keep in mind is if you use a smaller jar, make sure it is long enough so the fish heater can fit in it. Also, if you can, lay the jar on its side as all of the warm water will be at the top of the jar and won’t heat it to well if it is vertical (this is why I recommend using the epoxy). Also a temp control is not necessarily needed, but it adds a layer of insurance in case the room temp goes up and it gets too hot inside.  Please let me know if I need to clarify anything, thank you!

Edit- this cost me around $50 as I already had a n insulated cooler, and at the worst you could pick up a cheap foam one if you do not have one


Edited by Newshroom42 (03/24/23 11:32 AM)


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
    #28244540 - 03/24/23 11:42 AM (9 months, 30 days ago)

Hey guys,

Do you think these jar lids look good? I’m looking to get them as it’s easier at the moment for me. In the future I intend to make them but not looking to do that right now, unless you recommend I should. If you think I should make them are there any good threads to teks for making lids?

I will be using agar so I won’t be utilizing the injection port but I assume it wouldn’t hurt to have it in case I get into LC. Also, do you know how long the filter patches would last before they need to be replaced? I will be using it in a PC so don’t know how many cycles they will last on average, or if they should be replaced every time.

Any information would be awesome, thank you!



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
    #28244565 - 03/24/23 11:55 AM (9 months, 30 days ago)

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Way said:
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Newshroom42 said:
Hey guys,

Do you think these jar lids look good? I’m looking to get them as it’s easier at the moment for me. In the future I intend to make them but not looking to do that right now, unless you reckoned I should. If you think I should make them are there any good like to teks for making lids?

I will be using agar so I won’t be utilizing the injection port but I assume it wouldn’t hurt to have it in case I get into LC. Also, do you know how long the filter patches would last before they need to be replaced? I will be using it in a PC so don’t know how many cycles they will last on average, or if they should be replaced every time.

Any information would be awesome, thank you!






Eh. These are just adhesive sfds stuck on. Literally a hole in the lid and a sticker you can order from Amazon. They aren't great quality and don't last as long as ones that are thicker and siliconed on or stuck under the lid.

If you can't be bothered to drill a hole, go for it I guess.

If you wanna do your own, just buy the sfds, cut a hole in the lid, and stick the whole sfd under the band or entire lid if your lid is plastic. Will last basically forever.

If you want to get fancy and frugal, you cut that single sfd into like quarter sized pieces and rtv glue it onto the hole you cut in the lid. It's the same shit you learn in kindergarten, and it'll last longer than a stick on filter.




Ah okay I will probably just make my own then. They will be metal lids so do you recommend particular types of filters? I’m thinking about checking them out on Amazon. I will adhere it with the rtv glue so do you recommend any kind of brand of glue, or will any type work?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
    #28245036 - 03/24/23 04:55 PM (9 months, 30 days ago)

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Way said:
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Newshroom42 said:
Quote:

Way said:
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Newshroom42 said:
Hey guys,

Do you think these jar lids look good? I’m looking to get them as it’s easier at the moment for me. In the future I intend to make them but not looking to do that right now, unless you reckoned I should. If you think I should make them are there any good like to teks for making lids?

I will be using agar so I won’t be utilizing the injection port but I assume it wouldn’t hurt to have it in case I get into LC. Also, do you know how long the filter patches would last before they need to be replaced? I will be using it in a PC so don’t know how many cycles they will last on average, or if they should be replaced every time.

Any information would be awesome, thank you!






Eh. These are just adhesive sfds stuck on. Literally a hole in the lid and a sticker you can order from Amazon. They aren't great quality and don't last as long as ones that are thicker and siliconed on or stuck under the lid.

If you can't be bothered to drill a hole, go for it I guess.

If you wanna do your own, just buy the sfds, cut a hole in the lid, and stick the whole sfd under the band or entire lid if your lid is plastic. Will last basically forever.

If you want to get fancy and frugal, you cut that single sfd into like quarter sized pieces and rtv glue it onto the hole you cut in the lid. It's the same shit you learn in kindergarten, and it'll last longer than a stick on filter.




Ah okay I will probably just make my own then. They will be metal lids so do you recommend particular types of filters? I’m thinking about checking them out on Amazon. I will adhere it with the rtv glue so do you recommend any kind of brand of glue, or will any type work?




Any from any of our trusted vendors are good. I bought 100 from fungi.com but I'll definitely never use all of them. They are super beefy though. I've heard the quality from Amazon can be hit or miss.

Any rtv silicone is fine. High temp isn't needed so save some money.




I found some on Amazon that have adhesive already on them. They are for mushroom cultivation, 20mm and have near perfect reviews with almost 200 review. Only negative ones were getting less filters by mistake. They say to put the under the lid, not on the top. Not sure if that is ok but people are saying it works in the reviews. Also should the adhesive be ok, or would you still recommend using the RTV silicon?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: dowodenum]
    #28245042 - 03/24/23 05:02 PM (9 months, 30 days ago)

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Those stickers won't last long enough to warrant using silicone, also I'd use one on top and bottom because IME they're a little too porous. Better than 2 layers of micropore tape though.




Ok, here is the amazon listing (hopefully it is ok posting this). Would you recommend I search for something different. Just noticed it said synthetic paper so I assume not the best choice?

I’m not looking to do this very often so do you think that I’d at least last 1-2 times if u but them on both sides?….also I hear heading 1 1/4” hope for a qt. size jar would be sufficient. Please let me know if that would be ok or if something else is recommended. Thank you!



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Bigworm]
    #28246931 - 03/25/23 11:32 PM (9 months, 29 days ago)

Hey guys,

I have a question on SFD’s. I am currently waiting for some 90mm SFD’s  in the mail and thought about a few things as I will be doing agar transfer into grain jars. I was thinking of getting the wide mouth mason jars with metal caps and sandwiching it on top of the lid. I know I can cut them and RTV them on but was thinking of just using the whole piece as I’d be easier and should work. I am not doing a lot of jars (10) so I’m not too concerned about makings a lot of smaller SFD’s.

I will be doing agar and realized the filter may pop off a little when I unscrew it. Would you say that cutting them and using RTV would be better as they would not have the potential to fall off? Also I know there are a lot of knockoff SFD’s so I made sure to get 1/16” thick .3micron ones from a reputable seller.

Also, quick side note, when I pc them, I should be good to leave the lids on snug and not unscrew them right?

I am new to this so I am not sure if what I was initially thinking would work. I am open to any ideas so please let me know what is most recommended. Thank you!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28246933 - 03/25/23 11:37 PM (9 months, 29 days ago)

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With a full sized SFD you don’t need adhesive. Put a couple of holes in your jar lid and sandwich the filer between the jar and the lid. Ezpz

Yes you can PC them that way




Ok, and just to make sure I read that correctly, would I put the filter disk on the inside of the lid or on the outside? Also would I need to take any precautions when opening them when doing an agar inoculation?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28246939 - 03/25/23 11:47 PM (9 months, 29 days ago)

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Inside of the lid. Just use standard sterile procedure.




Ok sounds good, thank you! I am a little concerned that the filter will separate from lid as there is no lip on the metal lids. If I drilled a 1/4” hole and rtv a nickel/quarter size piece on it do you think that would suffice. Another idea is to get the plastic lids as they have a lip that would hold the disc. I have heard mixed opinions on the fact they could warp, and that they would need to be unscrewed a quarter turn in the PC. These will be the wide mouth qt jars btw.  Not sure if I’m just being paranoid with that haha


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28246961 - 03/26/23 12:18 AM (9 months, 29 days ago)

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My plastic lids have not warped. I have a 1/4” hole with a smaller SFD stuck on with RTV and it performs well. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to cut SFDs, but I have no explanation for you, sorry. Just heard it can somehow impact performance. Might be totally wrong.

My plastic lids have the hole and filter and are screwed on tight. No problems.

You can use the lid sized filter or you can use smaller ones with RTV. Up to you. Both work. The idea behind the lid sized SFD is that it doesn’t need adhesive so there’s one less failure point.




Okay awesome, I am glad to hear you have had no problems with the plastic lids. I think that would make the most sense to go with plastic as it should fit in the top and hopefully will stay inside the lid when I unscrew it for the agar transfers. I’m thinking it would probably be a good idea to do a test run on a single jar in the PC to see if the SFD would stick to the jar.

Also, on the part where you said cutting them not being a good idea…I read in a couple places that it could cause the fibers to separate a bit so it would have larger gaps in the material. To be honest, it seems like no one has had issues so I don’t think it is a big deal from what I have seen.

Finally, when you PC with the plastic lids do you usually unscrew them or just put them on snug? If you unscrew I assume you tighten the lids once the pressure  lock drops on the PC?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28246967 - 03/26/23 12:35 AM (9 months, 29 days ago)

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Snug. You dont have to worry about pressure because the hole and filter prevent pressure differentials. Just screw them on and go.




Ok perfect, I will do that. Thank you!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: San Pedro Girl]
    #28247356 - 03/26/23 10:37 AM (9 months, 28 days ago)

Hey guys, what do you think would be the best tools to get when doing agar. I ordered some pre-poured agar cups and just wondering what I would need for transfers later on.

Currently I have a SAB, gloves, mask, and everything to keep this sterile. I have a medium sized butane torch for sterilization of the blade or needles as well. Other than a scalpel, would you recommend anything else like tweezers? Also is there a particular size I should be looking for and do you thing Amazon would be a good place to source these supplies?


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