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"Depression is normal."
    #27813208 - 06/10/22 10:07 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

No, it's not. Depression is never normal. It could be proven but proving that is illegal because proving it involves healthy people and since the majority of people are unhealthy, proving it isn't really possible. So they have to go about it a different way, which is the wrong way and just causing a lot more problems than not solving depression, and costing a lot more money than it would cost to do it the right way.

Proving depression is never normal using healthy people (which are the only kind of people that should exist, considering there are no unhealthy animals or unhealthy plants, etc) would involve all drugs (except obvious stupid ones like flakka and bath salts, etc) being legal and available in 100% pure form to a healthy person. A healthy person would be able to use these drugs to stop themselves from becoming too addicted to one or more drugs, thus removing addiction as a possibility, and therefore removing overdose as a possibility as well. Only healthy people can use drugs and not suffer negative side effects or adverse effects from drugs.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #27813228 - 06/10/22 10:26 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Nice rant but I would like to point out that the hangover from powerful stimulants is basically indistinguishable from depression to the outside observer.

I do agree that you should be able to buy them all at CVS though.

I think rest and nutrition play a big part in depression, two things that go out the window when you binge any substance that isn't weed.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: jack_straw2208] * 3
    #27813663 - 06/10/22 05:01 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

:archiebunker:

Depression is perfectly normal. It's being in a constant state of it that isn't. If depression isn't a normal function, then neither is the pain one feels when putting their hand in a fire. Both are alert systems for when something is wrong. Life isn't all lalala :pinkelephant: all the time and isn't designed to be. That's exactly why we have these alert systems in the first place.

I'm not sure what reality these impervious animals and plants live in, but I want a ticket. :lol:

I don't mean to be argumentative or hurtful in my opinions.. and I really hope the best for you and all that read this thread, but comes a time when one needs to face the reality that life is hard and take action to improve it for yourself and others.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: the_chosen_one]
    #27813666 - 06/10/22 05:02 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I mean, it probably is?


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: the_chosen_one] * 1
    #27813935 - 06/10/22 09:25 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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the_chosen_one said:

Depression is perfectly normal. It's being in a constant state of it that isn't. If depression isn't a normal function, then neither is the pain one feels when putting their hand in a fire. Both are alert systems for when something is wrong.




:thumbup:

It can be helpful to look at the activity of depressing - in a similar way as engaging in angering and stressing.  I agree that it can be a functional response. In certain circumstances entering an emotional lockdown and being immobile can serve a useful benefit.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27821263 - 06/15/22 07:38 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

If you meet an asshole, you met an asshole. If everyone you meet is an asshole, maybe it's you?

If one person is depressed, they are depressed. If most people are depressed, maybe it's their environment?

I think a sharp rise in depression is evidence of a sick society. A society with no support, a society in which some feel continually excluded.

Or, much more literally, it could simply be a side effect of pollution. We are, after all, a planet-sized petri dish on the side effects of elevated CO2, poisonous chemical dumping, and general environmental degradation. We know that these things are toxic. We know that they harm us. Now we are learning the effects of constant, low level exposure.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #27838647 - 06/27/22 10:03 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Depression is linked to fluorine compound exposure in rats, look at the studies and stay out of that shit.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: Blackseeds]
    #27839239 - 06/27/22 04:36 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Lol you don't get to. That shit is everywhere. It's in the water you drink, it's in the food you eat. And it will be for your natural lifespan, as well as the lifespan of your children and your grandchildren.

And we keep pumping more of it into the world.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: Kryptos]
    #27839710 - 06/27/22 08:55 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

a bowl, a rag and distilled water, wow that was hard


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #27852061 - 07/06/22 01:33 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

"Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you."
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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #27852219 - 07/06/22 03:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

wow, nice word salad that shows you don't know the first thing about depression (neurochemistry).

Most anti-depressants mess with the serotonin level of the brain to allow to function without depression symptoms. The reason P. Cubensis works in treating depression is that it binds to the serotonin receptors in the brain.

In essence by micro and macro dosing you are treating your brain the same way other pharmaceuticals meant for depression do.

Making a distinction between a man man and natural chemical is ridiculous. Ask anyone who passed high school chemistry. If you believe there is than you have fell for the misinformation spouting from the multi-billion dollar a year alternative "medicine" industry.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: JPKeenan]
    #27853635 - 07/07/22 01:49 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

If you think microdosing is anything like taking SSRIs daily than you have fallen hook line and sinker for the billion dollar pharamaceutical industry


See what I did there?


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #27853788 - 07/07/22 04:34 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

You wanna talk depression!?! :crankeyclaus:

Last night I watched Planet of the Humans.. on Amazon oddly enough. :archiebunker:



Now I just finished up investigating a forum for Furries. :evilrabbit:




Figured there would be a balance in there somewhere. At least the Furries offer a phantasmal glimmer of hope.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: the_chosen_one] * 1
    #27854222 - 07/08/22 12:58 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

With the rising population of depression diagnosis I would say depression is more of a systemic issue rather than a personal individual issue. We are living in a shit world with shit policies and shit jobs and shit wages and shit rents. I feel like I'm watching the world unravel before my eyes. Yeah I'm fucking depressed. My mom tells me I should continue seeing my therapist who has no experience dealing with my issues. I really don't see the point in seeing a therapist when my depression is caused by the shitty world we live in and my shitty unsupportive parents. What's my fucking therapist supposed to do? Unless he can get me a good paying job and stop all the bullshit politics then nothing can be done. After living with depression and bipolar I really don't think depression is a chemical issue. most people get depressed because of something situational. That's why I think it's a systemic issue not a personal issue.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27854687 - 07/08/22 11:55 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Depression is both chemical and environmental.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27854703 - 07/08/22 12:03 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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With the rising population of depression diagnosis I would say depression is more of a systemic issue rather than a personal individual issue. We are living in a shit world with shit policies and shit jobs and shit wages and shit rents. I feel like I'm watching the world unravel before my eyes. Yeah I'm fucking depressed. My mom tells me I should continue seeing my therapist who has no experience dealing with my issues. I really don't see the point in seeing a therapist when my depression is caused by the shitty world we live in and my shitty unsupportive parents. What's my fucking therapist supposed to do? Unless he can get me a good paying job and stop all the bullshit politics then nothing can be done. After living with depression and bipolar I really don't think depression is a chemical issue. most people get depressed because of something situational. That's why I think it's a systemic issue not a personal issue.




I can not tell you how much this resonates with me.  This is identical to my feelings.  I have been deeply depressed about the goings on around me, and I've been hesitant to talk about it with anybody.  The fact of the matter is, shit is fucked.  Being depressed is the correct and natural response to how things are now, and I think its been this way for a long time... More recently though its gotten to the point where it just seems impossible to call depression just a hormone imbalance. Anybody with any awareness can look around and see how broken everything is.  Talking to a therapist is useless because its not like its going to change the world around us.  Getting prescribed anti-depressants will just numb your very real pain, coming from very real systemic problems. 

The last 3 days for me have been especially difficult. I have been sick with covid and not really able to do much besides lay around and watch stuff. I'm pretty much always on top of current events, but I was even moreso the last couple of days.  I have run out of hope

I work a good job, I make good money. I'm able to save and live in a nice house.  None of it really seems like it matters in the grand scheme of things.  I can barely focus on work anymore.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27854774 - 07/08/22 12:52 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Depression is both chemical and environmental.



It only becomes a chemical issue once the environment becomes so shitty that it literally starts affecting the chemicals. Body, mind, and spirit. It's like a domino effect. Yeah, some people have better coping mechanisms than others but when you look at the ROOT of depression, it's all environmental. People don't just get depressed for no reason, there's always something situation or systemic.

I remember in the 90's, health insurances finally started recognizing depression as  a medical problem. Before that, if you were depressed, you were just seen as weak. As time has gone on and the depression statistics keep raising, now it's pretty easy to get medical insurance treatment for it.

Antidepressants don't fix the world, they don't fix unemployment, and they don't fix my lack of income.

I was taking welbutrin, which worked when I first started taking it, but after a couple weeks, it just doesn't do anything anymore. I was told a long time ago that antidepressants are just placebos with side effects. That seems to be right in my experience.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27854825 - 07/08/22 01:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27854119#27854119

Just went on a similar rant last night.

C'est la vie.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: Kryptos]
    #27855459 - 07/08/22 11:52 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

You sounded like a privileged pos in your rant from last night. Tl;dr, although, I did catch that choice bit about “burnout being a uniquely Silicon Valley phenomenon.” Jesus Christ...

Good thing the mods keep a tight lid on this site, otherwise, it would be a far more hostile ecosystem for you long-timers.


Edited by Trails (07/08/22 11:52 PM)


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: the_chosen_one]
    #27855618 - 07/09/22 05:43 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Quote:

the_chosen_one said:
:archiebunker:

Depression is perfectly normal. It's being in a constant state of it that isn't. If depression isn't a normal function, then neither is the pain one feels when putting their hand in a fire. Both are alert systems for when something is wrong. Life isn't all lalala :pinkelephant: all the time and isn't designed to be. That's exactly why we have these alert systems in the first place.

I'm not sure what reality these impervious animals and plants live in, but I want a ticket. :lol:

I don't mean to be argumentative or hurtful in my opinions.. and I really hope the best for you and all that read this thread, but comes a time when one needs to face the reality that life is hard and take action to improve it for yourself and others.




Very well said.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: Trails]
    #27856150 - 07/09/22 02:41 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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You sounded like a privileged pos in your rant from last night. Tl;dr, although, I did catch that choice bit about “burnout being a uniquely Silicon Valley phenomenon.” Jesus Christ...

Good thing the mods keep a tight lid on this site, otherwise, it would be a far more hostile ecosystem for you long-timers.




Lol, I am privileged. Very much so. I'm white, male, blond hair, blue eyes, classically attractive, outgoing, and very well paid at a job that allows me enough freedom that I don't think I've ever worked a full 40 hour week in my life (but I get paid like I do). The only way that I could be more privileged is if I was born into wealth.

I imagine everybody else's life is much worse. And it will continue to get worse. I am a leftist because I recognize that even though I will be fine no matter what happens, this is not true for everybody else. I would like everybody to live the life that I live. I think it would make the world a happier place.

Also, I think you misunderstood my point about burnout. It used to be a silicon valley phenomenon for highly paid professionals. Now it is common for everybody.


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27856163 - 07/09/22 02:52 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Well, the animal comment was a bit smart assed. :hehehe: But thank you. The topic hits close to home for me and is in the forefront of my thoughts a lot. It also leads to dozens of sub-topics so I have to be careful to stay on track lol. Personally, when things become too complex I like to follow the Mr. Miagi philosophy. Get back to the basics and focus. Miagi say breath. No breath, no life. :levitate:

With that in mind, I believe depression has several sources and even a few of our bio machine flesh suits might have some flaws.. IE actual problems that can be traced to the physical machine itself and how it was constructed. NOW.. I don't believe there are enough of these physically broken flesh suits to justify an entire industry based on "thought to or believed to." That's unbridled capitalism at work. Trust me. These fuckers are NOT YOUR FRIENDS. They care more about numbers on a spread sheet more than they do the future of their own children. BTW if by some strange chance any of you fuckers are reading this, then I dare you to prove me wrong. (breath chosensan.. breath).
Simply put. Stress + sadness + out of focus or balance = depression. Depression is RED ALERT for the Trekies. Little good if any occurs at that stage. Usually a battle ensues. Fire phasers and photons at full spread and definitely put the shields up.
:nodofunderstanding:

I propose we try a different, much older weapon called awareness. All choices start with it, and most things that lead to depression start with choices. So back to basics it is. For me in this moment anyways. :uptosomething:


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: Kryptos]
    #27856525 - 07/09/22 07:57 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
Quote:

Trails said:
You sounded like a privileged pos in your rant from last night. Tl;dr, although, I did catch that choice bit about “burnout being a uniquely Silicon Valley phenomenon.” Jesus Christ...

Good thing the mods keep a tight lid on this site, otherwise, it would be a far more hostile ecosystem for you long-timers.




Lol, I am privileged. Very much so. I'm white, male, blond hair, blue eyes, classically attractive, outgoing, and very well paid at a job that allows me enough freedom that I don't think I've ever worked a full 40 hour week in my life (but I get paid like I do). The only way that I could be more privileged is if I was born into wealth.

I imagine everybody else's life is much worse. And it will continue to get worse. I am a leftist because I recognize that even though I will be fine no matter what happens, this is not true for everybody else. I would like everybody to live the life that I live. I think it would make the world a happier place.

Also, I think you misunderstood my point about burnout. It used to be a silicon valley phenomenon for highly paid professionals. Now it is common for everybody.




You’re insufferable. No wonder they keep you around. And no wonder the captive online audience here are the only people who will tolerate you.


Edited by Droogz (07/09/22 07:59 PM)


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Re: "Depression is normal." [Re: Droogz]
    #27856714 - 07/09/22 09:41 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Go ahead and hit the ignore button, if you would rather not see what I think.


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