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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#27868015 - 07/18/22 05:00 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Done! Surveys like these are always a treat
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Yutyrannus]
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27871355 - 07/21/22 09:49 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I micro dose I do not tolerate anti-depressants & hate Big Pharma. I'm also very spiritual & psychic, but don't feel the need to trip, & frankly I'm afraid to. I would like to see all psychedelics as well as MDMA become legal for therapeutic use, although it's my personal belief no drug should ever be illegal as no one should tell you what you can put in your body and for people with issues of addiction a "War on Drugs" is a war on people & totally inefficient in helping said population.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27872032 - 07/21/22 07:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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We have now reached five pages of feedback on the survey, and people here are still taking it - such an amazing level of support from everyone here at the Shroomery - we are very thankful!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27876086 - 07/25/22 01:31 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Done. That was thought provoking. Glad I could contribute.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: xamx44]
#27876116 - 07/25/22 02:22 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Amazing work!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf] 1
#27878151 - 07/26/22 04:19 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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All of my experiences with psychedelics have been positive. I've always been aware of dosage and setting. Most of my experience was many years ago in the San Francisco rave scene where a dose would only cost a dollar and often people would just give you one if you asked.
By Positive I mean that I've never had what I would call a "bad trip". I've felt down, I've been afraid, I've been stuck in bad thoughts and I absolutely HATED being in my own head during the come down but even when I didn't like the trip that I took, I've always looked back on it and thought that it was all part of the experience and more about myself than the drugs.
I believe that everyone should experience psychedelics of all sorts at least 5 times in their life. Tripping just brings a perspective to your thoughts that just isn't there during your normal days thinking process, it's an escape from yourself. Good or bad it's just a part of you.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27882890 - 07/30/22 01:12 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Good afternoon, psychedelics mean the future for me they have been a great tool in my journey of self discovery. I believe that psychedelics are the future and I truly hope that we can stop demonizing every drug and start to teach the good along with the bad.
Psychedelics are the path to a greater and healthier future -HippieDan
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27890654 - 08/05/22 04:47 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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mircea said: "Centre for Alcohol and Drug Research"
"Alcohol and drugs"? What is alcohol if not a particularly harmful drug?
You are almost certainly aware that one of the uses of psilocybin is in overcoming alcohol addiction.
Hi, thanks for the comment! It's an interesting observation, and yes - I guess you could say that our research centre's English name is somewhat unfortunate in this context. The original Danish name is "Center for Rusmiddelforskning", which roughly translates into "Centre for Intoxicant Research". The word "rusmiddel", however, does not have the "toxic" connotation of "intoxicant". Breaking down the components of the word, "rus" is a high/rush and "middel" is a means to something. I don't know the exact history of our Danish and English names, but I can imagine they were chosen to align with existing terminology and distinctions between research areas in Denmark/internationally.
I definitely agree (as do most researchers in this field) that any "alcohol vs drugs"-distinction has very little (if anything) to do with pharmacology and a lot (if not everything) to do with legislation, cultural attitudes, stigma, etc.
Thanks for your response! I'd say, it is even worse. German legalese speaks of "Betäubungsmittel", not "Rauschmittel". Literally that means "sedatives"/"narcotics", i.e. sleep inducing substances. (There is also the term "Rauschgift", whereas "Gift" means "poison")
When I take the German Betäubungsmittelgesetz (narcotics act), it lists psychedelic substances as "Betäubungsmittel", which they definitely are not. Instead, they are consciousness expanding substances. Alcohol in turn, which is most definitely a "Betäubungsmittel", a sedative, isn't even mentioned. So the law is 180 degrees opposed to the evidence.
This is deeply unethical, not only because it prevents millions of people suffering from depression and other conditions from accessing these wonderful remedies, but also because it implicitly promotes the spread and unrestricted use of a truly harmful, destructive and addictive substance. Drug policies are deeply misguided, but at least in my own country I see almost no public pressure to change this.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: JusJules]
#27890713 - 08/05/22 06:26 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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JusJules said: I micro dose I do not tolerate anti-depressants & hate Big Pharma. I'm also very spiritual & psychic, but don't feel the need to trip, & frankly I'm afraid to.
I guess, going by Jim Fadiman's advice: If you have any hesitation about taking large doses, don't do it.
At the same time, I have to say, that for me, it was the exact reverse. I have tried microdosing and I found no discernable effect on my well-being, but the deep introspective psychedelic journeys I had were very transformative. I should say, though, I did the first few journeys with a professional guide and this made it a very very safe experience.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
#27890719 - 08/05/22 06:31 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I think I get more from big doses than small doses from a mental health perspective. But I also microdose the Stamets stack for nerve regeneration. And it seems to be helping. I’ll be doing both for a while.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: BlueAndOrange]
#27894189 - 08/07/22 10:09 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Or me as a psychonaut..
I want to give credit to the idea that when I use DRUGS DXM psychedelia..
Is actually a real experience..
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
#27894248 - 08/08/22 02:09 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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mircea said: Thanks for your response! I'd say, it is even worse. German legalese speaks of "Betäubungsmittel", not "Rauschmittel". Literally that means "sedatives"/"narcotics", i.e. sleep inducing substances. (There is also the term "Rauschgift", whereas "Gift" means "poison")
When I take the German Betäubungsmittelgesetz (narcotics act), it lists psychedelic substances as "Betäubungsmittel", which they definitely are not. Instead, they are consciousness expanding substances. Alcohol in turn, which is most definitely a "Betäubungsmittel", a sedative, isn't even mentioned. So the law is 180 degrees opposed to the evidence.
This is deeply unethical, not only because it prevents millions of people suffering from depression and other conditions from accessing these wonderful remedies, but also because it implicitly promotes the spread and unrestricted use of a truly harmful, destructive and addictive substance. Drug policies are deeply misguided, but at least in my own country I see almost no public pressure to change this.
Very interesting to learn about the German side of things. In Denmark, the term "narko" (a vulgarization of "narcotic") is also popular in public debates and mainstream media when referring to any type of psychoactive substance, whether it's cannabis, mushrooms or heroin (but not alcohol).
One should never underestimate the power of language and discourse in shaping debates, opinions and policies. Someone ought to do an international comparison of colloquial, institutional and academic terms in this area, and examine whether the meanings associated with these terms are reflected in the popular opinions and official policies of each country.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27895803 - 08/09/22 12:11 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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oe_crf said: Very interesting to learn about the German side of things. In Denmark, the term "narko" (a vulgarization of "narcotic") is also popular in public debates and mainstream media when referring to any type of psychoactive substance, whether it's cannabis, mushrooms or heroin (but not alcohol).
Oh, well, I don't think that the difference is big. In German media you would usually say "Drogen", and of course, as in Denmark, that does not include alcohol, nicotine or caffeine (which may be the most addictive of the three, if I recall correctly).
Still, the German term "Betäubungsmittel" is rather weird, because literally, "betäuben" means "to anesthesize", the root word is "taub" (cognate to Danish "døv"), which means "numb". So "Betäubungsmittel" could also be translated as "numbing agents". Anyone who has ever done LSD or mushrooms known: Maybe they can drive you insane, but they definitely don't numb you. (On a sidenote, the Low German cognate to "taub" and "døv" is "doof", which in colloquial High German has come to mean "stupid"/"dumb"). But I guess, the term "narcotic" has the same meaning, looking at its etymology. So the German term is simply a calque/loan translation, we have not invented but adopted this misnomer.
Yes, being put into this box while alcohol, which quite definitely is a numbing agent, being left out of the same box is deeply stigmatizing. I wonder if this is part of the reason why it is so hard to get any level of publicity for this issue. In my view, the fact that so many people suffer needlessly because these remedies continue to be supressed should be a scandal, it should cause a public outcry. Yet nobody seems to care. Everyone seems to be happy in their psychedelic closet. Researchers do their research, underground therapists do their underground therapy, psychonauts do their journeys etc. Nobody wants to stick their neck out.
BTW, I am not for unregulated legalization. These substances are, as we all know, very powerful tools and as such they can also cause tremendous harm when used improperly. We need regulation, we need to optimise the cost-benefit ratio, we need to invest massively in harm reduction. But none of that is going to happen as long as these substances remain criminalised. I think this can be compared to when abortion was criminalised and many women suffered tremendous harm from backroom abortions. Further criminalising them wouldn't have been the way to reduce harm.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
#27895824 - 08/09/22 12:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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oe_crf said: Very interesting to learn about the German side of things. In Denmark, the term "narko" (a vulgarization of "narcotic") is also popular in public debates and mainstream media when referring to any type of psychoactive substance, whether it's cannabis, mushrooms or heroin (but not alcohol).
Oh, well, I don't think that the difference is big. In German media you would usually say "Drogen", and of course, as in Denmark, that does not include alcohol, nicotine or caffeine (which may be the most addictive of the three, if I recall correctly). But I'd say, the connotation is the same.
Still, the German legal term "Betäubungsmittel" is rather weird, because literally, "betäuben" means "to anesthesize", the root word is "taub" (cognate to Danish "døv"), which means "numb". So "Betäubungsmittel" could also be translated as "numbing agents". Anyone who has ever done LSD or mushrooms knows: Maybe they can drive you insane, but they definitely don't numb you. (On a sidenote, the Low German cognate to "taub" and "døv" is "doof", which in colloquial High German has come to mean "stupid"/"dumb"). But I guess, the term "narcotic" has the same meaning, looking at its etymology. So, Germans have not invented but adopted this misnomer.
Yes, being put into this box while alcohol, which quite definitely is a numbing agent, being left out of the same box is deeply stigmatizing. I wonder if this is part of the reason why it is so hard to get any level of publicity for this issue. In my view, the fact that so many people suffer needlessly because these remedies continue to be suppressed should be a scandal, it should cause a public outcry. Yet nobody seems to care. Everyone seems to be content with their psychedelic closet. Researchers do their research, underground therapists do their underground therapy, psychonauts do their journeys etc. Nobody wants to stick their neck out.
BTW, I am not for unregulated legalization. These substances are, as we all know, very powerful tools and as such they can also cause tremendous harm when used improperly. We need regulation, we need to optimise the cost-benefit ratio, we need to invest massively in harm reduction. But none of that is going to happen as long as these substances remain outlawed. I think this can be compared to when abortion was outlawed and many women suffered tremendous harm from backroom abortions. Further criminalising them wouldn't have been the way to reduce harm.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea] 2
#27895989 - 08/09/22 03:01 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I answered the questionaire. I believe psychedelics have the power to have a transformative effect on almost anybody, in a positive way, as long as they are respected, and not used as a party drug. I have heard great success stories, from people who have taken them regularly, in micro-doses, for various reasons, though I have never tried this. Of the thousands of doses that I have produced, most of them have been for other people. Taking hallucinogens is something that I do infrequently, but I have never regretted the experience. It can be somewhat exhausting/taxing on a person, if they are not prepared for the journey.
I believe that many of the benefits from a mushroom trip are temporary, and the experience must be undergone again, from time to time.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf] 2
#27897790 - 08/10/22 06:12 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Psychedelics made me a better person, but also made me a very different person. I am not who I once was. I've been on a long break and I have the itch to dive back in soon though.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
#27898350 - 08/11/22 04:48 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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mircea said: Oh, well, I don't think that the difference is big.
Super interesting to read about these etymological nuances - you've clearly done some research on this. There is no doubt that language and linguistic categories can have stigmatizing effects - this is also clearly seen in relation to public and institutional discourses about other topics, e.g. mental health.
The effect of the widespread alcohol-drug distinction is especially interesting, because it is adopted by some heavy drinkers, who downplay their drinking by saying that at least they're not using drugs - and on the other hand, my colleagues have also interviewed people who use e.g. heroin daily, but assert that at least they're not alcoholics.
Regarding your observations on the lack of promoting psychedelics as something more than or other than simply "drugs", I do think we are currently seeing a trend towards more positive public (and even institutional) attitudes. However, if this is indeed the case, it will likely be a very slow and gradual process.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#27898351 - 08/11/22 04:51 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: I answered the questionaire. I believe psychedelics have the power to have a transformative effect on almost anybody, in a positive way, as long as they are respected, and not used as a party drug. I have heard great success stories, from people who have taken them regularly, in micro-doses, for various reasons, though I have never tried this. Of the thousands of doses that I have produced, most of them have been for other people. Taking hallucinogens is something that I do infrequently, but I have never regretted the experience. It can be somewhat exhausting/taxing on a person, if they are not prepared for the journey.
I believe that many of the benefits from a mushroom trip are temporary, and the experience must be undergone again, from time to time.
Thank you for both taking the survey and providing additional thoughts!
I really want to thank everyone contributing to this discussion thread, and I'm sorry I don't have time to respond to everyone.
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