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What do psychedelics mean to YOU? 4
#27812108 - 06/09/22 11:28 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Hi! We would like to invite you to participate in a survey about perspectives on psychedelics, as part of an ongoing study at the Centre for Alcohol and Drug Research at Aarhus University in Denmark.
The study is investigating various understandings of psychedelics adopted by internet forum users, e.g. as recreational substances, sacred medicines, or tools for self-therapy or -enhancement. We would greatly appreciate the participation of you and other Shroomery users.
The survey can be accessed through this link: https://survey.au.dk/LinkCollector?key=7N67U4WEU1C1
It is anonymous (i.e. no collection of personal information or traceable data, and no sharing of the raw data) and will take around 10 minutes to complete. Anyone is welcome to participate, regardless of personal experience with psychedelics. You are also more than welcome to share the link outside of The Shroomery. We will be collecting responses from June 2022 until fall 2022.
We cover interesting themes such as motivations, set and setting, positive effects, bad trips, spirituality, future impact and much more.
We will of course report back in this thread about the outcomes of this survey.
You can find further information about our research center here: https://psy.au.dk/en/research/research-centres-and-units/centre-for-alcohol-and-drug-research
You are more than welcome to contact us at map.crf@psy.au.dk, in this thread or via private message.
Thank you! • Associate professor Margit Anne Petersen (map.crf@psy.au.dk) • Associate professor Morten Hesse (mh.crf@psy.au.dk) • PhD Søren Holm (soeho@aarhus.dk) • Assistant professor Oskar Enghoff (oe.crf@psy.au.dk)
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf] 1
#27812476 - 06/09/22 05:06 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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taken! i love doing psychedelic surveys. speaking of, i'm ready for this psilo-dinner tonite i'm going to be munching on in a few hours.
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BlueAndOrange
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I took it too. Happy to help (especially if it helps).
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27812829 - 06/10/22 01:07 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Hello everyone! Thank you so much for your interest, and thanks to the Shroomery staff for helping us with this announcement. If there is anything you would like to discuss with the team behind the survey (in this case, me), you are also more than welcome to send me a message here on the board. Have a great day /Oskar
Edited by oe_crf (06/10/22 01:07 AM)
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27812870 - 06/10/22 03:31 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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That was a fun survey.. made me realize allot about the psychedelic movement.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27813086 - 06/10/22 08:18 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Just took it, hope it helps
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27813261 - 06/10/22 11:09 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Took it. Quick and straightforward. Got me thinking!
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Done.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Guerrilla]
#27813408 - 06/10/22 01:20 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Done
Unusual questions
-------------------- Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros... A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27813436 - 06/10/22 01:55 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Done!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: jnx]
#27813490 - 06/10/22 02:43 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Done. Glad to see more research is being done.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Ashtray161]
#27813914 - 06/10/22 09:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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DONE!
So glad this sort of research is happening!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: bananafish]
#27814120 - 06/11/22 02:14 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for your continued support! Responses are still coming in, and we really appreciate your contribution. Also, we're happy to see that a lot of you find the questions relatable and interesting.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf] 1
#27814511 - 06/11/22 11:22 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Very well done and relatable survey. I can't wait to see what your results are. Thank you!
-------------------- Things I've learned so far: Death with consciousness can be boring. Balance is important. Set intentions, not expectations. Sad trips can be helpful as well as challenging trips. Stick with your first dose. We learn more when we listen rather than speak. Be kind. The small moments in life that tend to go unnoticed are sometimes the most beautiful.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Orioncat]
#27814752 - 06/11/22 03:07 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I did it as well. Glad to help!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Orioncat]
#27814763 - 06/11/22 03:16 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Submitted! Great survey!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: AlphaDog52]
#27815006 - 06/11/22 06:11 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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ha!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#27815205 - 06/11/22 08:28 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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very cool survey!! just finished. the questions were really good
i do think it might help to define a “bad trip” though, because a bad trip can be caused by both internal or external factors. having a bad trip because your buddy who’s never done mushrooms before freaked out on 5g or because you were tripping while your parents were home or something is a lot different than a bad trip that is caused by something internal like struggling with a tough break up or death or other things involving the psyche
great survey just something that crossed my mind on the questions about bad trips. i would certainly avoid talking to cops on mushrooms but i wouldn’t shy away from crying or thinking deeply about something troubling me
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: hazyhorse]
#27815286 - 06/11/22 09:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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hazyhorse said: very cool survey!! just finished. the questions were really good
i do think it might help to define a “bad trip” though, because a bad trip can be caused by both internal or external factors. having a bad trip because your buddy who’s never done mushrooms before freaked out on 5g or because you were tripping while your parents were home or something is a lot different than a bad trip that is caused by something internal like struggling with a tough break up or death or other things involving the psyche
great survey just something that crossed my mind on the questions about bad trips. i would certainly avoid talking to cops on mushrooms but i wouldn’t shy away from crying or thinking deeply about something troubling me
i love this comment. i think "bad" trips can actually be very beneficial and good in the long run. respect the mushroom and the other psychedelics, folks! They help us to connect to a power we do not understand and the experience is very much sacred to me. Especially with psilocybin, DMT, mescaline, and to a lesser but definitely significant extent, LSD.
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Just finished.
I can definitely tell this is from a college. "Long-lasting positive effects of psychedelic drugs are essentially due to alterations of established brain networks."
I chuckled.
Always glad to help!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: hazyhorse]
#27815545 - 06/12/22 03:10 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
hazyhorse said: very cool survey!! just finished. the questions were really good
i do think it might help to define a “bad trip” though, because a bad trip can be caused by both internal or external factors. having a bad trip because your buddy who’s never done mushrooms before freaked out on 5g or because you were tripping while your parents were home or something is a lot different than a bad trip that is caused by something internal like struggling with a tough break up or death or other things involving the psyche
great survey just something that crossed my mind on the questions about bad trips. i would certainly avoid talking to cops on mushrooms but i wouldn’t shy away from crying or thinking deeply about something troubling me
Thanks for the feedback! That's definitely an important nuance, and something we will consider when interpreting the results - especially in relation to the insights that some people gain from "bad trips" - a "bad trip" caused by internal factors is probably more likely to be insightful than a "bad trip" caused by parents bursting in.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: hazyhorse]
#27815676 - 06/12/22 07:22 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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hazyhorse said: On the questions about bad trips. i would certainly avoid talking to cops on mushrooms but i wouldn’t shy away from crying or thinking deeply about something troubling me
Something that I might add further: I don't like using the term "bad trip" because of some of the baggage it brings with it. I think a more accurate term is challenging trip. I've had plenty of challenging trips resulting in sadness, fear, crying, and even feelings of hopelessness. I have yet to refer to any of those experiences as bad though. According to the researchers at Johns Hopkins, even when subjects experienced a challenging trip, most of the time they still benefited from it in the end.
Not often, but sometimes I will go into a trip knowing it will be a challenge. I dread it in the beginning because I know it's going to work me over but I know in the end the catharsis it brings will be beautiful and therapeutic.
Never a bad trip, only a challenging one.
-------------------- Things I've learned so far: Death with consciousness can be boring. Balance is important. Set intentions, not expectations. Sad trips can be helpful as well as challenging trips. Stick with your first dose. We learn more when we listen rather than speak. Be kind. The small moments in life that tend to go unnoticed are sometimes the most beautiful.
Edited by Orioncat (06/12/22 07:25 AM)
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Orioncat]
#27815687 - 06/12/22 07:42 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Difficult trip is def not the same as a bad trip
I have had countless difficult trips and only one bad trip.
Bad trips are traumatizing for sure
-------------------- Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros... A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#27815795 - 06/12/22 09:21 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I suppose you bring up a good point. I should remind myself of that in the future when this topic comes up again.
If you don't mind me asking, would you say your bad trip experience came from a lack of the ability to give in to the trip? Did you learn anything from the experience? Also, does the trauma still affect you. Would you have done anything differently in hindsight? I'm genuinely interested. Thank you.
-------------------- Things I've learned so far: Death with consciousness can be boring. Balance is important. Set intentions, not expectations. Sad trips can be helpful as well as challenging trips. Stick with your first dose. We learn more when we listen rather than speak. Be kind. The small moments in life that tend to go unnoticed are sometimes the most beautiful.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#27816067 - 06/12/22 01:08 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: Done
Unusual questions
Not unusual at all. They are gauging where you are mentally. I thought it was going to be a basic survey but they asked some of the right questions.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#27816072 - 06/12/22 01:12 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: Difficult trip is def not the same as a bad trip
I have had countless difficult trips and only one bad trip.
Bad trips are traumatizing for sure
I've had a difficult trip (good term) and I've had multiple bad, traumatizing trips. Made me stop doing any psychedelics and I believe partially for why I am mentally fucked up till this day. I am HOPING I can micro dose up to some place "nice" and not scarf down a doubled headed, two inch tall, half grown Blue Meanie or a bunch of Albino A+ pins lmfao...
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Orioncat said: I suppose you bring up a good point. I should remind myself of that in the future when this topic comes up again.
If you don't mind me asking, would you say your bad trip experience came from a lack of the ability to give in to the trip? Did you learn anything from the experience? Also, does the trauma still affect you. Would you have done anything differently in hindsight? I'm genuinely interested. Thank you.
I partially believe this is what happened to me and my brain chemistry has been fucked ever since. I tend to never be able to relax and need to be in control of my highs, so shrooms was a bad move for me. I live a different life damn near 10 years after I got into mycology so I am going to try and reverse time and use this gift GOD gave me to try and SEE if I can heal.
I don't believe in half the spiritual mumbo jumbo people talk about Psychedelics... But lets fucking find out!!!
-------------------- "it's genetic. Asians are better at math if born in America or Asia. Black people run faster born in Africa or America. White people are still more racist no matter where they were born either. it's genetic." -bodhisatta
Edited by DEZn00ts (06/12/22 01:16 PM)
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: DEZn00ts] 1
#27817241 - 06/13/22 08:34 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Orioncat]
#27818987 - 06/14/22 08:21 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I would have skipped the second and third dose of high strength LSD blotter for sure
I didn't sleep for 3 days and saw rainbow aura's for 2 months
-------------------- Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros... A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#27819199 - 06/14/22 11:48 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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TY for doing this work!!
It would be intersting to be kept updated here on the number of responses you are getting.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27819615 - 06/14/22 04:34 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Neurotech]
#27820209 - 06/15/22 01:32 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Neurotech said: TY for doing this work!!
It would be intersting to be kept updated here on the number of responses you are getting.
Thank you for participating! Currently, approx. 80 Shroomery users have completed the survey and approx. 20 have partially completed it. We are still getting new responses every day!
Thanks everyone for continuing to support this, and glad to see some of the questions have sparked an interesting debate about challenging experiences
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27820234 - 06/15/22 01:58 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Psychedelics are like the precious Soma.. water flower., pomegranate flower.. hemlock flower.. bittersweet flower..aroma rose 🌹
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#27821084 - 06/15/22 05:34 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I'd love to see the raw data when yall are done collecting it if possible.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27821544 - 06/15/22 10:03 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Just finished. Interesting survey. Hopefully the results will be shared when finished collecting data.
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oe_crf
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Quote:
Ashtray161 said: I'd love to see the raw data when yall are done collecting it if possible.
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CharlizTherunicorn said: Just finished. Interesting survey. Hopefully the results will be shared when finished collecting data.
Thank you both! It's great that you find the questions and data interesting.
We will not share the raw data, however, due to ethical and privacy considerations regarding individual-level data. But, we can and will share aggregated results of responses to the questions
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27822162 - 06/16/22 08:40 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Insight. But not to go far. As told by whatever that is that if I did I would ruin my being born and the not to respect the veil. And believe me you will be warned at least in my experience. What their is to explore in or limited mortality was communicated to that I waited a EXTREEMLY long time to be born an have a body and what I can do with it. WAKE UP! You get it when you get it.
Then most just want to assist waking up that in their selves but so much a blind man yet I get why, to a degree, why I am here and chose this as all of us did. IMO. Make up your own mind.
Quite an adventure isn't it? Yet in the spirit world, made me laugh a person saying some beings got pissed off because he was interacting with them and not "dead" yet. Never think for a second that suicide, which is the stupidist thing a person can do, will allieviate problems and bring happiness. No. Enjoy your body as we are all mortal. Whoever made up this construct great. My respect to it.
Simple, take esoterics and one sees through people. One sees through fake people and governments. People don't like that, corrupted people within. Whether with religions, prisons, government, families, I get it. I am not in charge of things. Spiritual law. I fucked with it and wow did I get the worse experience I have had in my life so far. Being cut off from the grid that connects everything and I mean everything. No one or group has a trademark on it. Compared to what the government did to me those 10 minutes compared to 3 months and 10 years probation was nothing.
So it humbled me. Am a lot careful now how I tread in life and the spirit world.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Barnaby]
#27822215 - 06/16/22 09:49 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Lateral thinking.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: durian_2008]
#27822257 - 06/16/22 10:21 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I took the survey, and I love that people are doing this kind of research.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: durian_2008] 1
#27822338 - 06/16/22 11:09 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: Lateral thinking.
Had no idea what it was, so thanks for mentioning it. Here is a quiz to asses your lateral thinking:
http://www.theeducators.co/2013/10/20/lateral-thinking/
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Ashtray161
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Neurotech]
#27822521 - 06/16/22 01:03 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Neurotech said:
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durian_2008 said: Lateral thinking.
Had no idea what it was, so thanks for mentioning it. Here is a quiz to asses your lateral thinking:
http://www.theeducators.co/2013/10/20/lateral-thinking/
I accidently touched that link and my phone flagged it as a phishing site. Be warned
-------------------- (You Know What Time It Is) Major Issues in the Psychedelic Movement: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27677086 "You never have to prove the fool a fool, just let them speak." Please, be an adult. Get vaccinated. Dont use psychedelics as an excuse. Dont come at me with some hippy dippy nonsense, GO GET VACCINATED. Be Gay, Do Crime 161 1312
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Ashtray161]
#27822605 - 06/16/22 01:41 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Warning accepted. Spamblockers activated. You can still infer the meaning by reading the questions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateral_thinking
In what I would call parallel dimensions, different, hypothetical outcomes have a geographic orientation, as on a map or boardgame. The 'third way' is literally lateral. It's a different path you can take on a walk.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: durian_2008]
#27822802 - 06/16/22 03:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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That was a fun survey. Hopefully you get the results you're looking for.
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mircea
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27823605 - 06/17/22 04:08 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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"Centre for Alcohol and Drug Research"
"Alcohol and drugs"? What is alcohol if not a particularly harmful drug?
You are almost certainly aware that one of the uses of psilocybin is in overcoming alcohol addiction.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
#27823629 - 06/17/22 04:37 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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mircea said: "Centre for Alcohol and Drug Research"
"Alcohol and drugs"? What is alcohol if not a particularly harmful drug?
You are almost certainly aware that one of the uses of psilocybin is in overcoming alcohol addiction.
Hi, thanks for the comment! It's an interesting observation, and yes - I guess you could say that our research centre's English name is somewhat unfortunate in this context. The original Danish name is "Center for Rusmiddelforskning", which roughly translates into "Centre for Intoxicant Research". The word "rusmiddel", however, does not have the "toxic" connotation of "intoxicant". Breaking down the components of the word, "rus" is a high/rush and "middel" is a means to something. I don't know the exact history of our Danish and English names, but I can imagine they were chosen to align with existing terminology and distinctions between research areas in Denmark/internationally.
I definitely agree (as do most researchers in this field) that any "alcohol vs drugs"-distinction has very little (if anything) to do with pharmacology and a lot (if not everything) to do with legislation, cultural attitudes, stigma, etc.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27823648 - 06/17/22 05:16 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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oe_crf said:
It might have made sense to ask about: How long have you been using psychedelics. Also: do you engage in other contemplative practices such as meditation?
Also, there was the question about: should psychedelics only be used in therapeutic settings? / should psychedelics only be used in ceremonies?
I am very much in favour of both. But the two questions seem to be mutually exclusive, because of the word "only". So I checked "neither agree nor disagree"
Same about legalisation. I think, there should be some form of regulation. Shrooms and LSD should definitely not be limited to therapeutic use. Yet, measures should be taken to minimise risks of improper/harmful use (leading to psychosis etc). But the questionnaire only let me vote on the option of whether or not I want total unrestricted availability.
personally, I have only begun to discover psychedelics in my late 40s, and I think that risks of something going severely wrong are much higher the younger you are. So there needs to be some regulation, maybe in form of a "drivers license" for psychedelics as Rick Doblin proposes.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
#27823696 - 06/17/22 06:21 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback! We're gonna take these and other helpful perspectives from this thread into account when interpreting the results.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27823756 - 06/17/22 08:05 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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To me psychedelics represent psychological possibilities.
My dream trip would be one on account of which my longest standing - longest gestating - creative ideas take a profound step towards realization.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf] 1
#27824941 - 06/17/22 09:03 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I think knowledge and education go a very long way.
I heard from a young age that smoking weed all the time in adolescence was a bad idea. I still smoked weed from a relatively young age, but avoided becoming a regular smoker because of those warnings and attitudes- not just that weed was bad, but that it was not a good thing to go overboard with in adolescence.
Conversely, I was socialized to view alcohol very differently, and have struggled to limit my drinking throughout my life as a result- even though I've always vastly preferred weed.
I was also super into psychedelics from early adolescence, and actually did a huge amount of reading up on them as well. At that time, the available literature really didn't address the risks of psychotic reactions, triggering schizophrenia in young people, etc. Those were all things I had to learn through a combination of observation and first-hand experience.
I think that especially in the case of psychedelics, which often have a tendency to be either deified, touted as a cure-all, or demonized, solid information about the risks and benefits, especially to younger people, is essential to developing balanced approaches to their use.
At the end of the day, though, I don't particularly regret dropping acid in my early teens. Certainly beat taking up cigarette smoking.
While it's true that risks decrease with age, I think that this is part of the much bigger question of how the fuck to define and handle full-blown adulthood in the modern world.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: B Traven]
#27824948 - 06/17/22 09:11 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Nice post
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27824978 - 06/17/22 09:29 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Good survey, thanks for researching this stuff, hopefully with enough research we can change public opinion and make steps to make recreational and medicinal medicine's safe and accessible for anybody.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Orioncat]
#27827484 - 06/19/22 04:02 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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hazyhorse said: On the questions about bad trips. i would certainly avoid talking to cops on mushrooms but i wouldn’t shy away from crying or thinking deeply about something troubling me
Something that I might add further: I don't like using the term "bad trip" because of some of the baggage it brings with it. I think a more accurate term is challenging trip. I've had plenty of challenging trips resulting in sadness, fear, crying, and even feelings of hopelessness. I have yet to refer to any of those experiences as bad though. According to the researchers at Johns Hopkins, even when subjects experienced a challenging trip, most of the time they still benefited from it in the end.
Not often, but sometimes I will go into a trip knowing it will be a challenge. I dread it in the beginning because I know it's going to work me over but I know in the end the catharsis it brings will be beautiful and therapeutic.
Never a bad trip, only a challenging one.
I agree with this. I've had nightmarish experiences with lsd and I still don't think of them as negative and they never really put me off of it. Rather I see it like opening the hood on my subconscious as it processes traumatic things happening in my life.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
#27827612 - 06/19/22 05:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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mircea said: "Centre for Alcohol and Drug Research"
"Alcohol and drugs"? What is alcohol if not a particularly harmful drug?
You are almost certainly aware that one of the uses of psilocybin is in overcoming alcohol addiction.
I was actually able to not compulsively drink this fathers day and I say the shrooms did it.
I tripped the other day (Friday night) for the first time in 6 years and for the first time in a LONGER amount of years I was able to stop myself from bing drinking on a day like this. Honestly I thank GOD for shrooms.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: DEZn00ts]
#27827637 - 06/19/22 06:08 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I used shrooms to quit drinking too. 14 months sober!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: MrBlueshrooms]
#27827735 - 06/19/22 07:24 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting survery! Psychedelic = mind manifesting... They help us get out of our own way, by going out of our regular mind
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Thanks again to everyone who is contributing by taking the survey or posting in this thread!
It's great to see that this is continuing to generate interesting reflections/discussions, and that we keep getting new survey responses each day.
(Note: Just be to totally clear, we are not treating this thread as data and we will not reproduce any user names or quotes from this thread in publications or other study outputs - so please continue to feel free to share your thoughts here or in private messages.)
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27828816 - 06/20/22 02:31 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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oe_crf said: Thanks again to everyone who is contributing by taking the survey or posting in this thread!
It's great to see that this is continuing to generate interesting reflections/discussions, and that we keep getting new survey responses each day.
(Note: Just be to totally clear, we are not treating this thread as data and we will not reproduce any user names or quotes from this thread in publications or other study outputs - so please continue to feel free to share your thoughts here or in private messages.)
You definitely came to the right place. Theres a large variety of human phenotypes here, all with one thing in common, Da mush lol.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27828886 - 06/20/22 03:30 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Took the survey! Awesome of you guys to share it
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: MycoRob] 1
#27829206 - 06/20/22 07:56 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I am a veteran and have been using shrooms to help me. I really hope more research can lead to legalization
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: B Traven]
#27830462 - 06/21/22 02:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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B Traven said: ... While it's true that risks decrease with age, I think that this is part of the much bigger question of how the fuck to define and handle full-blown adulthood in the modern world.
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aheroisjustasandwi said: I am a veteran and have been using shrooms to help me. I really hope more research can lead to legalization
It's a story heard many a time, psilocybin is an incredible medication along with many other psychedelics and need to be made available to people.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27831227 - 06/22/22 03:19 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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It is so good to see these survey's come up more and more often.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Applesauce3D]
#27834844 - 06/24/22 05:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Agreed
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Sixmcdoubles]
#27835191 - 06/24/22 09:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Done. Pretty cool survey, brought back some very neat things and experiences through my life. Cheers mate.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Sled] 1
#27835235 - 06/24/22 09:29 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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This survey really made me think! I added in the comment section that I would agree strongly if the question worded "to enjoy altered sensory perception" was worded enhanced sensory perception... Especially in lower doses. For example: sharper vision and clearly hearing music at lower volumes.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: BagOfDicks]
#27836666 - 06/25/22 07:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Just took it. Thanks for doing this research.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: LivingSpaces]
#27836865 - 06/25/22 10:52 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Done
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: PJX]
#27838298 - 06/27/22 01:09 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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We're very happy to see that new replies and helpful comments are still trickling in - thanks to everyone supporting this!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27840736 - 06/28/22 02:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Done.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: BagOfDicks]
#27843341 - 06/30/22 04:44 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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BagOfDicks said: This survey really made me think! I added in the comment section that I would agree strongly if the question worded "to enjoy altered sensory perception" was worded enhanced sensory perception... Especially in lower doses. For example: sharper vision and clearly hearing music at lower volumes.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27849617 - 07/04/22 08:04 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Done :-) Thanks for posting it for us.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27851489 - 07/06/22 04:59 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for posting the survey! Hope the responses you gather are valuable for your research.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Post_sub]
#27851564 - 07/06/22 07:09 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thank you for the time to gather this data!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: ironfreak]
#27853782 - 07/07/22 04:29 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Survey completed..
My experience with them is best described as a full factory reset of the mind. Personally, the lasting positive effects of psychedelics was a discovery for me, I had no idea at the tine of using lsd that it would heal, I only used lsd because it was available and thought it would be fun... what a brilliant experience, especially the last episode when I dropped 2 tabs, it was that experience that heald my depression for a solid 20 years or more.
It's been 25 years since my last experience (lsd) and I'm here because it's time for me to do it again, this time it's for post traumatic stress.
With lsd is basically unobtainable and no desire to stuff my face with a lifetime supply of prescription pills from the doctor, I'm on the hunt for mushrooms in South Australia which is proving more difficult than many would have you believe, I think social media has made it so popular that all the well known patches are being raped. It's beginning to look like a long process of using the little I have found to create my own patch.
I guess it's fair to say that for me in 2022 psychedelics mean a lot of learning, time and patience... oh, and hundreds of dollars worth of fuel.
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Mushrooms have helped me heal from trauma and also have given me the opportunity of the death of ego. I think that they should be legal but the only way to legalization is thru monetization for taxes unfortunately. Good thing they can be grown!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Gizmizzle]
#27856958 - 07/10/22 05:48 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thank you so much everyone, for the continuing interest in and responses to this survey! Your contributions are extremely valuable, and we are very thankful for your support.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27857707 - 07/10/22 05:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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It means a few things as artist and someone show is a critical thinker. It is a means to look inside my own skull for inspiration for my art. Mushrooms are also a tool for keeping migraines, depression and anxiety away.
The one thing I can't stand about mushrooms is when people attribute all sort of woo woo to them. It's as bad as the creationists trying to teach their woo in schools.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Running Wolf]
#27858176 - 07/11/22 03:09 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I think all psychedelics are alive.. and you can become spiritual allies with them.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#27859855 - 07/12/22 11:46 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I did some of my best thinking under the influence of psychedelics.
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#27863113 - 07/14/22 10:16 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Soon I'm gonna find out.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Crimson998]
#27863408 - 07/15/22 08:06 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Crimson998 said: Soon I'm gonna find out.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#27868015 - 07/18/22 05:00 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Done! Surveys like these are always a treat
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Yutyrannus]
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27871355 - 07/21/22 09:49 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I micro dose I do not tolerate anti-depressants & hate Big Pharma. I'm also very spiritual & psychic, but don't feel the need to trip, & frankly I'm afraid to. I would like to see all psychedelics as well as MDMA become legal for therapeutic use, although it's my personal belief no drug should ever be illegal as no one should tell you what you can put in your body and for people with issues of addiction a "War on Drugs" is a war on people & totally inefficient in helping said population.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27872032 - 07/21/22 07:16 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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We have now reached five pages of feedback on the survey, and people here are still taking it - such an amazing level of support from everyone here at the Shroomery - we are very thankful!
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27876086 - 07/25/22 01:31 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Done. That was thought provoking. Glad I could contribute.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: xamx44]
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Amazing work!
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#27878151 - 07/26/22 04:19 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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All of my experiences with psychedelics have been positive. I've always been aware of dosage and setting. Most of my experience was many years ago in the San Francisco rave scene where a dose would only cost a dollar and often people would just give you one if you asked.
By Positive I mean that I've never had what I would call a "bad trip". I've felt down, I've been afraid, I've been stuck in bad thoughts and I absolutely HATED being in my own head during the come down but even when I didn't like the trip that I took, I've always looked back on it and thought that it was all part of the experience and more about myself than the drugs.
I believe that everyone should experience psychedelics of all sorts at least 5 times in their life. Tripping just brings a perspective to your thoughts that just isn't there during your normal days thinking process, it's an escape from yourself. Good or bad it's just a part of you.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27882890 - 07/30/22 01:12 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Good afternoon, psychedelics mean the future for me they have been a great tool in my journey of self discovery. I believe that psychedelics are the future and I truly hope that we can stop demonizing every drug and start to teach the good along with the bad.
Psychedelics are the path to a greater and healthier future -HippieDan
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
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mircea said: "Centre for Alcohol and Drug Research"
"Alcohol and drugs"? What is alcohol if not a particularly harmful drug?
You are almost certainly aware that one of the uses of psilocybin is in overcoming alcohol addiction.
Hi, thanks for the comment! It's an interesting observation, and yes - I guess you could say that our research centre's English name is somewhat unfortunate in this context. The original Danish name is "Center for Rusmiddelforskning", which roughly translates into "Centre for Intoxicant Research". The word "rusmiddel", however, does not have the "toxic" connotation of "intoxicant". Breaking down the components of the word, "rus" is a high/rush and "middel" is a means to something. I don't know the exact history of our Danish and English names, but I can imagine they were chosen to align with existing terminology and distinctions between research areas in Denmark/internationally.
I definitely agree (as do most researchers in this field) that any "alcohol vs drugs"-distinction has very little (if anything) to do with pharmacology and a lot (if not everything) to do with legislation, cultural attitudes, stigma, etc.
Thanks for your response! I'd say, it is even worse. German legalese speaks of "Betäubungsmittel", not "Rauschmittel". Literally that means "sedatives"/"narcotics", i.e. sleep inducing substances. (There is also the term "Rauschgift", whereas "Gift" means "poison")
When I take the German Betäubungsmittelgesetz (narcotics act), it lists psychedelic substances as "Betäubungsmittel", which they definitely are not. Instead, they are consciousness expanding substances. Alcohol in turn, which is most definitely a "Betäubungsmittel", a sedative, isn't even mentioned. So the law is 180 degrees opposed to the evidence.
This is deeply unethical, not only because it prevents millions of people suffering from depression and other conditions from accessing these wonderful remedies, but also because it implicitly promotes the spread and unrestricted use of a truly harmful, destructive and addictive substance. Drug policies are deeply misguided, but at least in my own country I see almost no public pressure to change this.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: JusJules]
#27890713 - 08/05/22 06:26 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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JusJules said: I micro dose I do not tolerate anti-depressants & hate Big Pharma. I'm also very spiritual & psychic, but don't feel the need to trip, & frankly I'm afraid to.
I guess, going by Jim Fadiman's advice: If you have any hesitation about taking large doses, don't do it.
At the same time, I have to say, that for me, it was the exact reverse. I have tried microdosing and I found no discernable effect on my well-being, but the deep introspective psychedelic journeys I had were very transformative. I should say, though, I did the first few journeys with a professional guide and this made it a very very safe experience.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
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I think I get more from big doses than small doses from a mental health perspective. But I also microdose the Stamets stack for nerve regeneration. And it seems to be helping. I’ll be doing both for a while.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: BlueAndOrange]
#27894189 - 08/07/22 10:09 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Or me as a psychonaut..
I want to give credit to the idea that when I use DRUGS DXM psychedelia..
Is actually a real experience..
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
#27894248 - 08/08/22 02:09 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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mircea said: Thanks for your response! I'd say, it is even worse. German legalese speaks of "Betäubungsmittel", not "Rauschmittel". Literally that means "sedatives"/"narcotics", i.e. sleep inducing substances. (There is also the term "Rauschgift", whereas "Gift" means "poison")
When I take the German Betäubungsmittelgesetz (narcotics act), it lists psychedelic substances as "Betäubungsmittel", which they definitely are not. Instead, they are consciousness expanding substances. Alcohol in turn, which is most definitely a "Betäubungsmittel", a sedative, isn't even mentioned. So the law is 180 degrees opposed to the evidence.
This is deeply unethical, not only because it prevents millions of people suffering from depression and other conditions from accessing these wonderful remedies, but also because it implicitly promotes the spread and unrestricted use of a truly harmful, destructive and addictive substance. Drug policies are deeply misguided, but at least in my own country I see almost no public pressure to change this.
Very interesting to learn about the German side of things. In Denmark, the term "narko" (a vulgarization of "narcotic") is also popular in public debates and mainstream media when referring to any type of psychoactive substance, whether it's cannabis, mushrooms or heroin (but not alcohol).
One should never underestimate the power of language and discourse in shaping debates, opinions and policies. Someone ought to do an international comparison of colloquial, institutional and academic terms in this area, and examine whether the meanings associated with these terms are reflected in the popular opinions and official policies of each country.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
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oe_crf said: Very interesting to learn about the German side of things. In Denmark, the term "narko" (a vulgarization of "narcotic") is also popular in public debates and mainstream media when referring to any type of psychoactive substance, whether it's cannabis, mushrooms or heroin (but not alcohol).
Oh, well, I don't think that the difference is big. In German media you would usually say "Drogen", and of course, as in Denmark, that does not include alcohol, nicotine or caffeine (which may be the most addictive of the three, if I recall correctly).
Still, the German term "Betäubungsmittel" is rather weird, because literally, "betäuben" means "to anesthesize", the root word is "taub" (cognate to Danish "døv"), which means "numb". So "Betäubungsmittel" could also be translated as "numbing agents". Anyone who has ever done LSD or mushrooms known: Maybe they can drive you insane, but they definitely don't numb you. (On a sidenote, the Low German cognate to "taub" and "døv" is "doof", which in colloquial High German has come to mean "stupid"/"dumb"). But I guess, the term "narcotic" has the same meaning, looking at its etymology. So the German term is simply a calque/loan translation, we have not invented but adopted this misnomer.
Yes, being put into this box while alcohol, which quite definitely is a numbing agent, being left out of the same box is deeply stigmatizing. I wonder if this is part of the reason why it is so hard to get any level of publicity for this issue. In my view, the fact that so many people suffer needlessly because these remedies continue to be supressed should be a scandal, it should cause a public outcry. Yet nobody seems to care. Everyone seems to be happy in their psychedelic closet. Researchers do their research, underground therapists do their underground therapy, psychonauts do their journeys etc. Nobody wants to stick their neck out.
BTW, I am not for unregulated legalization. These substances are, as we all know, very powerful tools and as such they can also cause tremendous harm when used improperly. We need regulation, we need to optimise the cost-benefit ratio, we need to invest massively in harm reduction. But none of that is going to happen as long as these substances remain criminalised. I think this can be compared to when abortion was criminalised and many women suffered tremendous harm from backroom abortions. Further criminalising them wouldn't have been the way to reduce harm.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
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oe_crf said: Very interesting to learn about the German side of things. In Denmark, the term "narko" (a vulgarization of "narcotic") is also popular in public debates and mainstream media when referring to any type of psychoactive substance, whether it's cannabis, mushrooms or heroin (but not alcohol).
Oh, well, I don't think that the difference is big. In German media you would usually say "Drogen", and of course, as in Denmark, that does not include alcohol, nicotine or caffeine (which may be the most addictive of the three, if I recall correctly). But I'd say, the connotation is the same.
Still, the German legal term "Betäubungsmittel" is rather weird, because literally, "betäuben" means "to anesthesize", the root word is "taub" (cognate to Danish "døv"), which means "numb". So "Betäubungsmittel" could also be translated as "numbing agents". Anyone who has ever done LSD or mushrooms knows: Maybe they can drive you insane, but they definitely don't numb you. (On a sidenote, the Low German cognate to "taub" and "døv" is "doof", which in colloquial High German has come to mean "stupid"/"dumb"). But I guess, the term "narcotic" has the same meaning, looking at its etymology. So, Germans have not invented but adopted this misnomer.
Yes, being put into this box while alcohol, which quite definitely is a numbing agent, being left out of the same box is deeply stigmatizing. I wonder if this is part of the reason why it is so hard to get any level of publicity for this issue. In my view, the fact that so many people suffer needlessly because these remedies continue to be suppressed should be a scandal, it should cause a public outcry. Yet nobody seems to care. Everyone seems to be content with their psychedelic closet. Researchers do their research, underground therapists do their underground therapy, psychonauts do their journeys etc. Nobody wants to stick their neck out.
BTW, I am not for unregulated legalization. These substances are, as we all know, very powerful tools and as such they can also cause tremendous harm when used improperly. We need regulation, we need to optimise the cost-benefit ratio, we need to invest massively in harm reduction. But none of that is going to happen as long as these substances remain outlawed. I think this can be compared to when abortion was outlawed and many women suffered tremendous harm from backroom abortions. Further criminalising them wouldn't have been the way to reduce harm.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea] 2
#27895989 - 08/09/22 03:01 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I answered the questionaire. I believe psychedelics have the power to have a transformative effect on almost anybody, in a positive way, as long as they are respected, and not used as a party drug. I have heard great success stories, from people who have taken them regularly, in micro-doses, for various reasons, though I have never tried this. Of the thousands of doses that I have produced, most of them have been for other people. Taking hallucinogens is something that I do infrequently, but I have never regretted the experience. It can be somewhat exhausting/taxing on a person, if they are not prepared for the journey.
I believe that many of the benefits from a mushroom trip are temporary, and the experience must be undergone again, from time to time.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf] 2
#27897790 - 08/10/22 06:12 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Psychedelics made me a better person, but also made me a very different person. I am not who I once was. I've been on a long break and I have the itch to dive back in soon though.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
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mircea said: Oh, well, I don't think that the difference is big.
Super interesting to read about these etymological nuances - you've clearly done some research on this. There is no doubt that language and linguistic categories can have stigmatizing effects - this is also clearly seen in relation to public and institutional discourses about other topics, e.g. mental health.
The effect of the widespread alcohol-drug distinction is especially interesting, because it is adopted by some heavy drinkers, who downplay their drinking by saying that at least they're not using drugs - and on the other hand, my colleagues have also interviewed people who use e.g. heroin daily, but assert that at least they're not alcoholics.
Regarding your observations on the lack of promoting psychedelics as something more than or other than simply "drugs", I do think we are currently seeing a trend towards more positive public (and even institutional) attitudes. However, if this is indeed the case, it will likely be a very slow and gradual process.
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Bigbadwooof said: I answered the questionaire. I believe psychedelics have the power to have a transformative effect on almost anybody, in a positive way, as long as they are respected, and not used as a party drug. I have heard great success stories, from people who have taken them regularly, in micro-doses, for various reasons, though I have never tried this. Of the thousands of doses that I have produced, most of them have been for other people. Taking hallucinogens is something that I do infrequently, but I have never regretted the experience. It can be somewhat exhausting/taxing on a person, if they are not prepared for the journey.
I believe that many of the benefits from a mushroom trip are temporary, and the experience must be undergone again, from time to time.
Thank you for both taking the survey and providing additional thoughts!
I really want to thank everyone contributing to this discussion thread, and I'm sorry I don't have time to respond to everyone.
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aheroisjustasandwi said: I am a veteran and have been using shrooms to help me. I really hope more research can lead to legalization
Research isn't enough, we also need to fight for it. There are already mountains of evidence, yet progress on legalisation is excruciatingly slow.
We need campaigns, we need to raise our voices. And we need to make sure that once it gets legalised, psychedelic medicine isn't just for those who have lots of money but for everyone who needs it.
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#27904036 - 08/15/22 08:54 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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We also need to fight for the rights that psychedelics aren’t just for those with certain conditions. They should be available for wellness for everyone.
Fortunately there is momentum. States and cities are decriminalizing them. Hopefully the cannabis model paves the way to make the psychedelic revolution to unfold much more quickly.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: BlueAndOrange]
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aheroisjustasandwi said: I am a veteran and have been using shrooms to help me. I really hope more research can lead to legalization
Research isn't enough, we also need to fight for it. There are already mountains of evidence, yet progress on legalisation is excruciatingly slow.
We need campaigns, we need to raise our voices. And we need to make sure that once it gets legalised, psychedelic medicine isn't just for those who have lots of money but for everyone who needs it.
That's the beauty of the nature of psychedelics. They are so powerful, and cheap to produce! It's a certain brand of person who generally grows mushrooms, and they are often distributed free of charge.
Government is always miles behind science. It's a real problem, because technology is rapidly changing and growing, but the ability of our social institutions to react and evolve with the times is insufficient. Drastic changes to a country's legal structure can have potentially disastrous downstream effects, which is why we have checks and balances to slow the process, but that often leads to stagnation.
Governing requires real wisdom, and that's not what you often get. How many Abraham Lincolns actually get elected.
If legalization does happen, I would truly hate to see big money get involved and take over, cornering the market, etc... but that is the nature of things in this Capitalistic world, and I don't know a way around it.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#27904292 - 08/15/22 12:40 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Around here, where medical and recreational cannabis are both legal. There is a thriving market here with people growing for patients and care providers. It’s not all big money. But scaling up is the capitalist way.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
#27904298 - 08/15/22 12:44 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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When mushrooms become legal there will be shitty pharmaceutical companies trying to sell you a joyless derivative compound that helps but won’t get you tripping, there will be stores that sell you poorly dried fruits and processed products that work ok for a markup, and there will be individuals who grow and sell their own.
It will all coexist. Just like in the cannabis business.
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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: BlueAndOrange]
#27904392 - 08/15/22 02:06 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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BlueAndOrange said: Around here, where medical and recreational cannabis are both legal. There is a thriving market here with people growing for patients and care providers. It’s not all big money. But scaling up is the capitalist way.
I'm not going to lie... I paid my way through college growing LARGE quantities of mushrooms. I'm on the fence about legalization, because it has been a serious source of income for me in the past, even though I sold them at rock bottom prices, and often gave them away for free.
At the end of the day, law abiding citizens do deserve the chance to experience the wonders of hallucinogens, so I am onboard with legalization. Growing mushrooms for a living felt like a public service to me, as opposed to say, making meth. I felt good about what I was doing, I enjoyed doing it thoroughly, and it brought many people joy. Win-win-win-win!
I wish hallucinogens were called something else though. They don't always cause hallucinations, and I would argue that for most people, smaller doses would probably provide a preferable experience. At the ~1g dosage range of normal cubes (Not PE), the trip is generally fairly mild, giggly, and just enjoyable. I liken it to viewing the world from the perspective of a young child. It can be very refreshing.</font>
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