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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27822605 - 06/16/22 03:41 PM (9 days, 1 hour ago)

Warning accepted. Spamblockers activated. You can still infer the meaning by reading the questions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateral_thinking

In what I would call parallel dimensions,  different, hypothetical outcomes have a geographic orientation, as on a map or boardgame. The 'third way' is literally lateral. It's a different path you can take on a walk.


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: durian_2008]
    #27822802 - 06/16/22 05:17 PM (8 days, 23 hours ago)

That was a fun survey. Hopefully you get the results you're looking for.


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
    #27823605 - 06/17/22 06:08 AM (8 days, 10 hours ago)

"Centre for Alcohol and Drug Research"

"Alcohol and drugs"? What is alcohol if not a particularly harmful drug?

You are almost certainly aware that one of the uses of psilocybin is in overcoming alcohol addiction.


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
    #27823629 - 06/17/22 06:37 AM (8 days, 10 hours ago)

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mircea said:
"Centre for Alcohol and Drug Research"

"Alcohol and drugs"? What is alcohol if not a particularly harmful drug?

You are almost certainly aware that one of the uses of psilocybin is in overcoming alcohol addiction.




Hi, thanks for the comment! It's an interesting observation, and yes - I guess you could say that our research centre's English name is somewhat unfortunate in this context. The original Danish name is "Center for Rusmiddelforskning", which roughly translates into "Centre for Intoxicant Research". The word "rusmiddel", however, does not have the "toxic" connotation of "intoxicant". Breaking down the components of the word, "rus" is a high/rush and "middel" is a means to something. I don't know the exact history of our Danish and English names, but I can imagine they were chosen to align with existing terminology and distinctions between research areas in Denmark/internationally.

I definitely agree (as do most researchers in this field) that any "alcohol vs drugs"-distinction has very little (if anything) to do with pharmacology and a lot (if not everything) to do with legislation, cultural attitudes, stigma, etc.


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
    #27823648 - 06/17/22 07:16 AM (8 days, 9 hours ago)

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It might have made sense to ask about: How long have you been using psychedelics. Also: do you engage in other contemplative practices such as meditation?

Also, there was the question about: should psychedelics only be used in therapeutic settings? / should psychedelics only be used in ceremonies?

I am very much in favour of both. But the two questions seem to be mutually exclusive, because of the word "only". So I checked "neither agree nor disagree"

Same about legalisation. I think, there should be some form of regulation. Shrooms and LSD should definitely not be limited to therapeutic use. Yet, measures should be taken to minimise risks of improper/harmful use (leading to psychosis etc). But the questionnaire only let me vote on the option of whether or not I want total unrestricted availability.

personally, I have only begun to discover psychedelics in my late 40s, and I think that risks of something going severely wrong are much higher the younger you are. So there needs to be some regulation, maybe in form of a "drivers license" for psychedelics as Rick Doblin proposes.


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
    #27823696 - 06/17/22 08:21 AM (8 days, 8 hours ago)

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mircea said:





Thanks for the feedback! We're gonna take these and other helpful perspectives from this thread into account when interpreting the results.


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
    #27823756 - 06/17/22 10:05 AM (8 days, 6 hours ago)

To me psychedelics represent psychological possibilities.

My dream trip would be one on account of which my longest standing - longest gestating - creative ideas take a profound step towards realization.


Edited by HomelessSorcerer (06/17/22 10:06 AM)


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
    #27824126 - 06/17/22 02:25 PM (8 days, 2 hours ago)

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What do psychedelics mean to YOU?




Chicken butt!


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf] * 1
    #27824941 - 06/17/22 11:03 PM (7 days, 17 hours ago)

I think knowledge and education go a very long way.

I heard from a young age that smoking weed all the time in adolescence was a bad idea. I still smoked weed from a relatively young age, but avoided becoming a regular smoker because of those warnings and attitudes- not just that weed was bad, but that it was not a good thing to go overboard with in adolescence.

Conversely, I was socialized to view alcohol very differently, and have struggled to limit my drinking throughout my life as a result- even though I've always vastly preferred weed.

I was also super into psychedelics from early adolescence, and actually did a huge amount of reading up on them as well. At that time, the available literature really didn't address the risks of psychotic reactions, triggering schizophrenia in young people, etc. Those were all things I had to learn through a combination of observation and first-hand experience.

I think that especially in the case of psychedelics, which often have a tendency to be either deified, touted as a cure-all, or demonized, solid information about the risks and benefits, especially to younger people, is essential to developing balanced approaches to their use.

At the end of the day, though, I don't particularly regret dropping acid in my early teens. Certainly beat taking up cigarette smoking.

While it's true that risks decrease with age, I think that this is part of the much bigger question of how the fuck to define and handle full-blown adulthood in the modern world.


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: B Traven]
    #27824948 - 06/17/22 11:11 PM (7 days, 17 hours ago)

Nice post:thumbup:


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
    #27824978 - 06/17/22 11:29 PM (7 days, 17 hours ago)

Good survey, thanks for researching this stuff, hopefully with enough research we can change public opinion and make steps to make recreational and medicinal medicine's safe and accessible for anybody.


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Orioncat]
    #27827484 - 06/19/22 06:02 PM (5 days, 22 hours ago)

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hazyhorse said:
On the questions about bad trips. i would certainly avoid talking to cops on mushrooms but i wouldn’t shy away from crying or thinking deeply about something troubling me




Something that I might add further: I don't like using the term "bad trip" because of some of the baggage it brings with it. I think a more accurate term is challenging trip. I've had plenty of challenging trips resulting in sadness, fear, crying, and even feelings of hopelessness. I have yet to refer to any of those experiences as bad though. According to the researchers at Johns Hopkins, even when subjects experienced a challenging trip, most of the time they still benefited from it in the end.

Not often, but sometimes I will go into a trip knowing it will be a challenge. I dread it in the beginning because I know it's going to work me over but I know in the end the catharsis it brings will be beautiful and therapeutic.

Never a bad trip, only a challenging one.




I agree with this. I've had nightmarish experiences with lsd and I still don't think of them as negative and they never really put me off of it. Rather I see it like opening the hood on my subconscious as it processes traumatic things happening in my life.


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: mircea]
    #27827612 - 06/19/22 07:43 PM (5 days, 21 hours ago)

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mircea said:
"Centre for Alcohol and Drug Research"

"Alcohol and drugs"? What is alcohol if not a particularly harmful drug?

You are almost certainly aware that one of the uses of psilocybin is in overcoming alcohol addiction.




I was actually able to not compulsively drink this fathers day and I say the shrooms did it.

I tripped the other day (Friday night) for the first time in 6 years and for the first time in a LONGER amount of years I was able to stop myself from bing drinking on a day like this. Honestly I thank GOD for shrooms.


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: DEZn00ts]
    #27827637 - 06/19/22 08:08 PM (5 days, 20 hours ago)

I used shrooms to quit drinking too. 14 months sober!


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: MrBlueshrooms]
    #27827735 - 06/19/22 09:24 PM (5 days, 19 hours ago)

Interesting survery! Psychedelic = mind manifesting... They help us get out of our own way, by going out of our regular mind


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: Maritime Funguy]
    #27828106 - 06/20/22 03:32 AM (5 days, 13 hours ago)

Thanks again to everyone who is contributing by taking the survey or posting in this thread!

It's great to see that this is continuing to generate interesting reflections/discussions, and that we keep getting new survey responses each day.

(Note: Just be to totally clear, we are not treating this thread as data and we will not reproduce any user names or quotes from this thread in publications or other study outputs - so please continue to feel free to share your thoughts here or in private messages.)


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
    #27828816 - 06/20/22 04:31 PM (5 days, 22 minutes ago)

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oe_crf said:
Thanks again to everyone who is contributing by taking the survey or posting in this thread!

It's great to see that this is continuing to generate interesting reflections/discussions, and that we keep getting new survey responses each day.

(Note: Just be to totally clear, we are not treating this thread as data and we will not reproduce any user names or quotes from this thread in publications or other study outputs - so please continue to feel free to share your thoughts here or in private messages.)




You definitely came to the right place. Theres a large variety of human phenotypes here, all with one thing in common, Da mush lol.


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: oe_crf]
    #27828886 - 06/20/22 05:30 PM (4 days, 23 hours ago)

Took the survey! Awesome of you guys to share it


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: MycoRob] * 1
    #27829206 - 06/20/22 09:56 PM (4 days, 18 hours ago)

I am a veteran and have been using shrooms to help me. I really hope more research can lead to legalization


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Re: What do psychedelics mean to YOU? [Re: B Traven]
    #27830462 - 06/21/22 04:01 PM (4 days, 51 minutes ago)

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While it's true that risks decrease with age, I think that this is part of the much bigger question of how the fuck to define and handle full-blown adulthood in the modern world.



totally


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