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Potential material subs - first time grower.
    #27811557 - 06/09/22 12:18 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I live in the Global south. In a rural community. I have access to brf but not vermiculite. I read somewhere coconut coir can be used. I messed around and got cocky (more like panicked because I couldn’t find the proper materials and decided to try with confidence and hope it worked out). I have very limited access to things. So my first Jars I used coconut fibres and pistachio shells (it worked for non magic mushroom growing I read in an article so I figured I’d give it a go). I boiled the eff out of them beforehand tho. One of my jars was incorrectly sealed. The others I’m still waiting. I’m a bit disheartened by all I have read and am preparing for this experiment to be a failure. This is my contingency plan in case my plucky attempt doesn’t bear any fruit. Does anyone have any experience doing this if you do not have access to all the things? What is the third world recipe? I have two more spore syringes that were gifted to me. They are very precious because you can’t get such things here. So my next goes I will be more prepared (I could have been a bit more sterile I think although I did my best- I kind of was like they grow in shit here in my country so how clean does it have to be??) does anyone have any specific advice on this situation? Alternative materials I mean?

Edited by Maerd (06/09/22 12:19 AM)

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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: Maerd] * 1
    #27811577 - 06/09/22 12:53 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

You have BRF which is the flour to use if you don't have a pressure cooker so that's good.
If you can get coir then have a look at this link:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26735678#26735678

You can also use manure and straw if you do it right but I would say you will need a
pressure cooker to prep it correctly.

Now you are asking how clean does one have to be. Since you are strilizing your
substrates you will have to be super clean cause your substrate with the BRF is like
free real estate and you want to make sure that only your mushrooms are going to
occupy the space first. Mushrooms growing out of a turd in nature is a completely different thing.

Aren't there any other active mushrooms growing in your area? Woodlovers are fairly
good to cultivate without sterilizing equipment.

What are you trying to grow? Cubes?

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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: Maerd]
    #27811585 - 06/09/22 01:01 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)



As far as I know, there aren't any good alternatives to vermiculite in PF style grow jars..

EDIT: From the post above mine I can see some have had success with coir in PF jars so you might be good to go there!


You can get around using verm with more advanced grow techniques such as agar cultures to grain or the riskier multispore to grain, I'd imagine you could find supplies for that but at some point you're going to need a pressure cooker.

Maybe someone else here has better ideas.

I think you're kind of in a tough spot but if you really do a ton of research I'm convinced that you could do it with limited materials. Since you say those mushrooms grow in your area, you shouldn't feel too desperate about those syringes as you can eventually obtain samples from your local species.. IF you get the level of knowledge you need to do it.

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I could have been a bit more sterile I think although I did my best- I kind of was like they grow in shit here in my country so how clean does it have to be??) 




LOL 😁 It has to be clean.. The environment in nature is not the same as an enclosed environment like the inside of a jar.

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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: Maerd]
    #27811621 - 06/09/22 03:29 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Did you let the jars cool overnight after boiling? If you didn't then maybe the spores are dead and that's why you are stuck waiting.

I would think BRF + ground coconut fibers would work as a inoculation substrate because the coconut fibers hold on to water and help puff out the mixture a bit, which is all verm does. IDK about the pistachio shells, I would think you want to at least cook them in boiling water or something 1st? If it were me I would try 1 jar BRF+ground coco fibers and use only 1 ml of 1 spore syringe as an experiment.

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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27812294 - 06/09/22 02:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I have golden teacher spores but what grows in my area is I believe Cubes although we have entered the dry season so it will be some more months before I can go back out and find them.

I do not have a pressure cooker but that is easy to remedy because we do use these here. Thank you for the link I will read that right now!!

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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: high_desert]
    #27812303 - 06/09/22 02:35 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I let them cool for six hours. They were cool to the touch. I have a few pictures but tbh I’m not sure what I’m looking for. I also ducked up becaue I used textured jars, didn’t use enough water I think— I was panicking because I wanted to try to be quick and avoid contamination. Thank you for alll this information. I have a picture. Idk if it’s white mold or mycelium. I don’t know what I’m doing and normally am very sharp but this is a bit out of my comfort zone.


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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: Maerd]
    #27812346 - 06/09/22 03:20 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Try rice hulls or finely chopped straw or luffa fibers or anything like that. You just need chunky fibrous material that the rice flour can stick to that stays aerated and holds moisture. There are honestly a lot of options in most places where life exists. Where there is rice there are rice hulls.

Good luck.


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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: Nichrome]
    #27812411 - 06/09/22 04:14 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely see some mycelium on the bottom right side (where you circled it) spreading inward from the edge. Can you post pics of different angles so we can see the rest of the jar?


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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: Maerd]
    #27812432 - 06/09/22 04:33 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Maerd said:





I agree that the circled growth looks like the good kind of growth but what is the other white stuff? Is that just a lot of brown rice flour?

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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: Dandurn777]
    #27812549 - 06/09/22 06:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Hey thanks so much for that, I would but you won't be able to see anything. Like a dumdum I used a jar that is textured on the outside so it refracts (is that the right word??) the image in such a way that its really hard to tell.

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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: Maerd]
    #27813493 - 06/10/22 02:46 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Also, because I STRUGGLED with the plunger AND I misread the instructions I was following, some of my jars are more dry than others. Do y'all suggest I just leave them as is or do they need to be dampened? I do not want to add contamination. You are all so helpful thank you again!

Also if any of these jars actually make it, we now have an answer for that one 8 year old thread on pistachios (insert smiling emoji with the sweat drop on its forehead lmao)

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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: Maerd]
    #27813833 - 06/10/22 07:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I think messing with the jars now increases your odds of contamination. You don't even want to expose your jar substrate to the air. The mycelium in your pic looks good so whatever you did may work. Unless those jars are SUPER dry they mycelium should still be able to colonize.

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Re: Potential material subs - first time grower. [Re: shroomduck]
    #27817425 - 06/13/22 10:54 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

You are totally right. All jars seem to be growing. I guess now we wait thank y’all for all of your patience and guidance

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