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OfflineRaoul_Duke
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Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans
    #2780925 - 06/10/04 11:35 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Best greetings,

I've read some fascinating reports in the TRIP TIPS forum logged by those that have ingested the sacred cactus. There have been plenty of recommendations for setting, music, and activities while under the spell of the cactus. The one thing I can't seem to find, however, is a reliable suggestion for a good, healthy dose, be it for the first-timer or the established user. (I've done my homework and have tried searching the forums, but haven't found anything definitive.)

I recently ground up one ounce of dried Peruvian torch cactus (Trichocereus peruvianus), which, I think, has a higher concentration of psychoactive chemicals than some of the other species. (More specifically, the cactus had been dried, the outermost layer of flesh removed, and the plant cut into buttons for thorough drying.) After grinding, I put the stuff in capsules.

Now, of course, the question becomes, how much would be a reasonable dose for a first-timer like myself? I ground up an ounce, which, I think, is 28 grams. In the "Longass mescaline trip report" thread, someone mentioned that 32 grams dried makes a great dose. That'd mean I'd have to swallow all 60 of the capsules I created. That seems high to me, but then again, I have no experience and thus am interested in the counsel of veteran users.

Thanks!

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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: Raoul_Duke]
    #2780956 - 06/10/04 11:47 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It depends exactly where you want to go, 30-40 is a nice dose.

Now, for the corrections, A) the outermost layer is indeed magical, and most people scrape the inside of it or simply eat that too.

B) I hear mixed things on dosing dried tissue. Some people are fine. Some people get really really sick. The Archives say something about NOT trying to encapsulate it dry, but rather rehydrate it and then turn it into some traditional pedro syrup.


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2782043 - 06/10/04 04:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

mjshroomer has a great thread on san pedro preparation in the ethnobotanical garden...but since you've already scalped and dried her....

..but you still might want to give a look:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...;o=&fpart=1


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: Raoul_Duke]
    #2782549 - 06/10/04 06:22 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If I were you I wouldn't bother with the sludgy teas. A pretty simple extraction will give you some nice crystals to put in a capsule. IME, you throw up most of the tea before you can absorb it.


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: Raoul_Duke]
    #2782565 - 06/10/04 06:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

30 Grams your first time will get you going. I prepared my first cacti trip the same way and had around 55-60 capsules and I was perfectly fine the whole time. Some people report being nauseated with that many capsules...if ya got an iron stomach like me I would say go for it.


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: Osker246]
    #2783145 - 06/10/04 10:59 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

How about proceedure? I wanna try it but the only direction I got were to cut the cactus into thin slices (like bread) and boil them for a few hours and drink the juice. Will I hurl? Is there a better way? I don't wanna start filling and eating lots of gel caps.


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #2783384 - 06/11/04 12:49 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If you ask me the best way to take cacti is to simply do an extraction. The reason I had never done it is because I have no basic chemistry knowledge and didnt want to do something wrong and get sick.

This is one method of extraction.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_chemistry2.shtml

If you dont want to perform any extractions theres simply other ways of preparing the cacti by adding better flavor and such.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation2.shtml


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: Raoul_Duke]
    #2783543 - 06/11/04 01:40 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Eating dried gelcaps left me feeling like I was dying for 2 solid days. Never known nausea like it - completely overwhelmed whatever trip was happening.


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: Osker246]
    #2784360 - 06/11/04 11:44 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Osker246,
Thanks!!
Quite informative.
When you read that kinda stuff, it really makes you not wanna do it. I'd rather be straight than puke my guts up.


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: Raoul_Duke]
    #2784857 - 06/11/04 02:42 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, mescaline I find pretty much makes setting and such things a bit unimportant. That is, besides being away from any normal hustle and bustle. You don't want people, of course, to know you're tripping and to add their mental hang ups to your trip. Otherwise, the trip sorts of cuts through all things. It takes one to the primal connection between this tenuous life and death and makes one to appreciate everything in the sense of the interrelatedness based on the impermanence of the ego and its localized disposition. It all seems to make sense, and all things that one experiences have an additive effect on the experience rather than amplified or distracting effect. I have never smoked weed on mescaline but I guess it could really blow the mind. Otherwise, mescaline feels just like life but with a microscopic view towards understanding the underpinning continuum. So I'll reiterate. Music, setting, and so on don't really matter in my experience. Barring common sense guidelines. And be easy on yourself. Let it flow. It's a very flowing trip, and very unjudgemental.


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: eve69]
    #2789439 - 06/13/04 07:40 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

VERY

It's my favorite of the few things i've had, it's had a quality that doesn't lead you to want to abuse it like many other things but respect it for what it simply is. Matter of fact it makes you respect all things at the moment it is with you. You see what I mean. Hard to explain in words without saying too much. :smile:


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: Raoul_Duke]
    #2789528 - 06/13/04 09:43 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If i were you i'd use the tek Osker linked to. Don't eat the dry cactus please.

To get pretty pure Mescaline carbonate that won't make you sick like the cactus does just make some syrup/tea as mjshroomer recommends, basify that liquid, add xylene separate and evaporate. (repeat xylene step 3 or 4 times)

As simple as basified syrup> xylene > evap

If you want mesc HCl or Sulphate combine the xylene extracts add acidified (either with muriatic or sulphuric acid, respectively) distilled water, separate, and evaporate the water. I should yield nice needle shaped mescaline crystals.

this would be: basified syrup> xylene> acid water> evap

If you use mj tek to make syrup, please do not boil the pulp only once. I found i had to boil it twice to get all alkaloids out. Trick is boil pulp until it doesn't taste bitter anymore. (you can make syrup with dried cactus also, don't worry about that)

Extractions are very simple.
If you want more details, visit the  nansnook archives. All the info you need is there. You can also ask here, i'll be glad to further explain the steps.

Good Luck! :grin:


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: esin]
    #2789992 - 06/13/04 03:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

People, what's up with www.nansnook.com? Did something horrible happen? It's not there.


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Re: Cactus makes perfect: A question for mescaline veterans [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2790424 - 06/13/04 07:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, wondering myself... :confused:


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