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Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use?
    #27807938 - 06/06/22 06:39 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I'm wondering if the UGro XL Rhiza is OK to use since it has Rhiza (endomycorrhizal fungi) added to the product?

I've heard success stories from people using UGro XL Basic, which doesn't have the added Rhiza.

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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: baldur]
    #27807940 - 06/06/22 06:39 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

And would I be using the Bod's easy AF bucket TEK or should I go into something more extreme like boiling the coir in the water for an hour, then add vermiculite to achieve field capacity?

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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: baldur] * 1
    #27807960 - 06/06/22 06:58 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Not sure, but i trust reptile coco bricks more then garden ones


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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: nix21] * 1
    #27808013 - 06/06/22 07:48 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I ain't using no coir that markets itself as containing trich.


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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: Bobbins]
    #27808020 - 06/06/22 07:57 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

They only say "natural trichoderma", so I guess it's not been added but only naturally occuring.

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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: baldur] * 1
    #27808023 - 06/06/22 08:03 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

You will have to sterilize this medium if you want to use it or you'll have issues with the trichoderma.

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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27808038 - 06/06/22 08:20 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I just pasteurized my brick I got from a hydro store. It had been working fine. No trich anyway.

I throw 4 quart jars in my instant pot, add water, hit warm and walk away. It's too easy. It gets it to a perfect 160f and holds it there.

You will probably be fine doing Bods bucket tek. If you get trich though I'd do a true pasteurization next time.

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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: Vibetyme]
    #27808066 - 06/06/22 08:35 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I actually just found this at a local pet store:



Link to product on amazon

The store says:
  • pH value between 5.0 and 6.0
  • heat sterilized, free from fungus and germs
  • no added fertilizer


Shouldn't this be perfect?

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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: baldur]
    #27808074 - 06/06/22 08:41 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

EDIT: Put in correct picture

And also found this just now!



Link to product

So shouldn't I be good to go with either one of these, Tropical and Trixie? Or at least in a better position than with the UGro stuff.

Edited by baldur (06/06/22 09:28 AM)

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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: baldur]
    #27808148 - 06/06/22 09:44 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah either of those in the image should be fine for the bucket tek. 

I always pasteurized mine from the pet store in my instant pot but I have a really small shoebox grow so it isn't hard.


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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: Vibetyme]
    #27808193 - 06/06/22 10:20 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Over the years I have become very picky about coir. Not all coir is created equal. Most big coir brands deal with a large number of producers. There are thousands of coir producers worldwide, in thailand, cambodia, india, sri lanka, the phillipines all over africa, etc. There are a lot of very shady practices in regards to production. Producers will say nearly anything to sell bulk coir to "branding" companies that just put a logo on the stuff.

Some companies shred and re-block, and repackage their coir. Some companies take what they got from the producer and just throw a label on it.

Coconut palm like any other xylem rich plant is a great bio-accumulator. In many places they are grown with the use of really nasty (illegal in a lot of places), chemical pesticides, FUNGICIDES, herbicides, and fertilizers are used directly in coconut production. There are often environmental toxins as well from factory waste or worse, war residue from burn pits, chemichal weapons, depleted uranium residue, agent orange, decomposing munitions, etc. In some places coconut husks are used as an absorbent material for chemical spills and radioactive waste. It is not unheard of for those to be collected and ground up and sold as coir. It is very easy and common for companies to "bait and switch" the OMRI inspection process. Buyoffs and payouts are not unheard of either when it comes to certifications in agricultural products/supplies.

Although some coir might not have trich added, it may have things in it you can't perceive that allow the trich or other mold/bacteria to get a foot hold and take over. Trichoderma spores/fragments are present worldwide. All coir has "naturally occurring" trichoderma if it is processed on earth...

Good luck on the coir hunt.


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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: Nichrome]
    #27808232 - 06/06/22 11:00 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Over the years I have become very picky about coir. Not all coir is created equal. Most big coir brands deal with a large number of producers. There are thousands of coir producers worldwide, in thailand, cambodia, india, sri lanka, the phillipines all over africa, etc. There are a lot of very shady practices in regards to production. Producers will say nearly anything to sell bulk coir to "branding" companies that just put a logo on the stuff.

Some companies shred and re-block, and repackage their coir. Some companies take what they got from the producer and just throw a label on it.

Coconut palm like any other xylem rich plant is a great bio-accumulator. In many places they are grown with the use of really nasty (illegal in a lot of places), chemical pesticides, FUNGICIDES, herbicides, and fertilizers are used directly in coconut production. There are often environmental toxins as well from factory waste or worse, war residue from burn pits, chemichal weapons, depleted uranium residue, agent orange, decomposing munitions, etc. In some places coconut husks are used as an absorbent material for chemical spills and radioactive waste. It is not unheard of for those to be collected and ground up and sold as coir. It is very easy and common for companies to "bait and switch" the OMRI inspection process. Buyoffs and payouts are not unheard of either when it comes to certifications in agricultural products/supplies.

Although some coir might not have trich added, it may have things in it you can't perceive that allow the trich or other mold/bacteria to get a foot hold and take over. Trichoderma spores/fragments are present worldwide. All coir has "naturally occurring" trichoderma if it is processed on earth...

Good luck on the coir hunt.




Thats good information! So I guess the only way is to experiment!

I assume that the UGro coir doesn´t have any of those nasties you mentioned. So would it possibly be smart to test the UGro and just heat it a bit more/longer to kill the Rhiza?

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Re: Is coconut Coir with added Rhiza (endomycorrhizal) OK to use? [Re: baldur]
    #27808305 - 06/06/22 12:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

If you get into a good batch (same goes for grain or anything else) it is wise to stock up.


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