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Did I eat a dogey shroom??
    #27805361 - 06/04/22 07:28 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Hi everybody! New here! Done a dumb thing possibly, either way not great, thanks! Be Kind! Cheers!

It’s been about 4 days (94hrs) since i ate that Single Sub in the paddock, at least at the time I was pretty sure it was a Sub, but then I saw my mate finding lookalikes and then my mind did the rest of the bad trip since. I was caught off guard with identification as the night before I was picking with some mates and all the mushrooms found were subs, there was a false sense of confidence created and I didn’t verify every single one picked for all the signs in the next pick. I can’t remember too much from what I remember eating, it was a smallish one, it looked like it’s gills had just opened, they were cream to white and the stipe was whitish, the cap was the classic golden brown with two different gradients and the nipple of course. Eating the cap, there was no distinctive taste, I do remember when biting through the stipe there was a slightly bitter taste. This is as far as I can remember, but I could be wrong. I’m not sure if I checked for blueing, I think I may have seen a slight blueing but that could have been another one I picked. now before you blast me, yes I know I’m fool, an idiot, I’m really sorry ok! not good enough? well what more can I do, if I die, let me be the example for others not to follow! On the plus side since taking that possible dodgey shroom I’ve been learning all about Mushroom toxins, so if there’s any silver lining and I’m not dead or in need of an organ transplant in a couple weeks at least I’ve learned a fair bit about mushrooms, their toxins and how to correctly identify them. I did study prior, but not enough clearly and the mental strategy of ensuring your consuming edibles was not established to a high degree, double checking your haul, using UV light. etc etc….

Now the symptoms, well so far there’s been NO vomiting, diarrhea, intense stomach cramps or anything serious. I ate it about 7pm that night and I didn’t sleep at all and was shivering in bed until I decided to go out to the campfire and warm up. I did feel quite lucid but no wild visuals or anything considerably psychedelic, it should be noted that morning earlier I did have a mushroom tea with my girlfriend and it was an amazing few hours sitting by a creek and meditating into higher states of consciousness & being, So there is going to be some tolerance built up.  I really feel pretty stupid though for eating that shroom in the paddock because the mental health went all down hill from there and I purposely made the tea in the morning to avoid having to consume the mushroom to reduce the body load. It’s been pretty rough since as I’ve been overcome with thoughts of death and the worst, it’s been 4 days now! Any compassion and forgiveness is much appreciated! so what makes me concerned, well my digestive system I’m super conscious of it now which I’m normally not, but there’s sensations that I’m not usually aware of. It’s not pain, but there is some slight, very slight discomfort that comes and goes, but is steadily present pretty much since eating the shroom. There’s also been slight stitch feeling now and again in the sides of the lower front abdomen. there was some feeling in the sides of the back before (kidneys perhaps?) but now not so much. If anything it’s just distracting me from what I need to do. I'm not sure if it's getting worse or better, there was a moment this morning when I thought the slight discomfort was relieved. I went for a run yesterday to try and take my mind of it and today I was working on my van, which was fine, but when I went to cook dinner I was super conscious of it and I guess i can say i was in the flight of flight state all throughout. Anyway I’ve been pondering what I should do or whether I should do anything? I actually went to get Milk Thistle pills the day after and have been taking 4 pills of that roughly every day. I also got some activated charcoal and have had a couple of glasses of that in water, and now I’m sharing this on the shroomery to get some feedback from the loving community :smile: what dya reckon? should I take more precautionary actions or it’s just fear paranoia and I’m fine? I really don’t want to be that stupid guy who goes to the E.R, also I can’t afford it and don’t have insurance, what would they do If I just went with very mild symptoms as described? also feeling if it’s my time to go, then so be it! but quite morbid thoughts and not great news for my loved ones.

I kinda ruled out Amatoxin poisoning from a gallerina as it’s already been 4 days with no serious symptoms of sickness, unless a low dose from a single mushroom would have a very delayed onset, would a low dose amatoxin be able to be fought off by your immune system without medical assistance? but as far as I can remember the stipe didn’t have an annulus and it was whitish, Galerine mushroom have more brown stipe, brown gills and annulus right? so the only other options would be Orellanine poisoning from a cortinarius type which I really doubt I would have mistaken it for a sub but maybe? The other option I guess is I found a completely new lookalike with an undiscovered toxin and kills you slowly first by fear via slight stomach discomforts~ :crazy:

Anyway this is the mind I’ve been occupying for a few days now, It’s annoying, not great, but that’s the reality and I need closure on it! Thanks for letting me expunge my worrisome sharts all over you, any tips to allieviate this anxiety with some more rationality, that would be awesome, perhaps there is something serious going on and I ought to act as time is of the essence. thank you so much fam!

// I don’t have any samples of the mushroom, it was growing in a pine patch, there was other subs found in the patch and cyans

//I still have a strong appetite and have been eating normally...

//sleeping normal

//location S-W West Australia


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: worrykingfool]
    #27805388 - 06/04/22 08:00 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Bruh you are worrying the hell out of yourself...If it's been days and the only symptoms you have are the slight pains/weird feels in your stomach then I would assume you are going to be just fine...Everytime I eat or drink mushrooms I end up with the same stomach battle I'm guessing maybe because of the fibers being hard to break down but I'm sure some critical symptoms would have started to surface already if it was something serious...From this day on just make sure you ID em all until you feel comfortable with your knowledge to do so 👍


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: worrykingfool]
    #27805395 - 06/04/22 08:04 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

One small mushroom won't have enough toxins to kill you. You would need something like 15 or 20 Galerinas typically to put yourself in serious danger. Note that even if you had eaten a bunch of deadly amatoxin containing mushrooms, the death rate runs about 50% without any medical attention, obviously depending a lot on dosage and comorbidities. With medical attention that figure drops to about 5%.

You can definitely make yourself sick by getting yourself worked up.

After 4 days you can pretty much conclude that you're OK.


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: worrykingfool]
    #27805396 - 06/04/22 08:04 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Hah, Welcome to the Shroomery brother! :mushroom2:
Don't worry, everything will be ok. You are fine.
Just use this as a lesson to never eat any mushrooms that you have not properly identified in the future!

You can post photos and info in here and we can help you.
inaturalist is really useful too. The app and website

Happy Hunting! :super:


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: HAKR ELITE] * 1
    #27805418 - 06/04/22 08:20 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

That's comforting to hear, okay, let me put this fear to rest!  And yeah definitely upgrading my picking tech after this episode. Thanks yo!


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: ToxicMan] * 1
    #27805420 - 06/04/22 08:22 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Oh thank you ToxicMan, this is the antidote this mind needs to hear, deep thanks 🙏


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: bio_alchemist] * 1
    #27805421 - 06/04/22 08:24 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Yeah I will for sure, big lesson. Yeah thanks for the kind welcoming, loving this space! 🙏


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: worrykingfool] * 1
    #27805433 - 06/04/22 08:31 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

You're safe bro.
Nice first post here haha.
Welcome to the Shroomery!


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #27805437 - 06/04/22 08:34 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

By chance do you know how much oreallanine containing mushrooms would you need to eat for it to be serious? Thanks 🙏


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #27805854 - 06/04/22 03:28 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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One small mushroom won't have enough toxins to kill you. You would need something like 15 or 20 Galerinas typically to put yourself in serious danger. Note that even if you had eaten a bunch of deadly amatoxin containing mushrooms, the death rate runs about 50% without any medical attention, obviously depending a lot on dosage and comorbidities. With medical attention that figure drops to about 5%.

You can definitely make yourself sick by getting yourself worked up.

After 4 days you can pretty much conclude that you're OK.




Yes agreed, one small fresh mushroom of the Galerina isn't enough to kill you, nor cause crippling permanent damage.  And yes in Australia particularly, Galerina can grow in the immediate proximity of p. sub and look EXACTLY like them.  It's crazy the pictures I've seen before, so there is a possibility you did eat a small Galerina.

But even if you did, one single small Galerina isn't enough to kill you or permanently cripple you.  But let this be the lesson you learned, and make sure to teach it to everyone you can to prevent them from making a mistake.

Where I live, I pick p. cyans and p. alleni - and I still make sure to triple check every single mushroom I pick.


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: worrykingfool]
    #27805996 - 06/04/22 05:55 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

It appears that the lethal dose is somewhere between 29 and 227 grams of fresh mushrooms. There is considerable variability in the amount of orellanine per fruiting body and in the sensitivity of an individual to the toxin.

Of course, the genus Cortinarius is pretty easy to identify, and I'm not aware of any of them that are in any way desirable to eat.

The orellanine containing species don't look to me to resemble anything edible or psychedelic, but I've also had to convince people that the Chlorophyllum molybdites they found weren't Psilocybe cubensis, so I'm not necessarily a good judge of what is "similar" to some people.


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #27806456 - 06/05/22 12:47 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Ahh good to know, 29 grams is no small amount n that must be at least 3 or 4 big ones.

Thanks again ToxicMan! 🙏


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Re: Did I eat a dogey shroom?? [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #27806458 - 06/05/22 12:50 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Aye, yeah they can be very similar, I guess the big giveaway can be the annulus,but that can also fall off, they don't bruise blue either too so that's another must check rule.

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    #27806460 - 06/05/22 12:51 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Thanks bro great to be here! Feeling good today, amazing the power of the mind eh~


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