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Offlinemycoguy
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DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use....
    #2780206 - 06/10/04 05:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sure many of you have already come to senses with the obvious, but I just thought some of you would like to read through this DEA report, which touches on Peruvian Torch, Yopo, Datura, and others.

www usdoj gov
/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0404/mg0404.html

DEA Microgram repor

[edit: DONT link to the USDOJ website, or any government website for that matter.]


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: mycoguy]
    #2780271 - 06/10/04 07:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

LOLz! very cool!


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: mycoguy]
    #2780384 - 06/10/04 08:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The bastards.


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #2780436 - 06/10/04 08:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

are these plants illegal to posses in the U.S.?


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: trade_om]
    #2780470 - 06/10/04 09:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

They contain chemicals which are illegal to possess, so yeah. It's bullshit.


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: mycoguy]
    #2780472 - 06/10/04 09:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The DEA is not qualified to identify such specimines, and have become so widely used, you can go anywhere in the world and find any of those plants. I wouldnt be too worried, just get your garden going.


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #2783966 - 06/11/04 07:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

its just fact that they know what's going on.
after reading the reports, you will see that many of the ethno plants that they report about are not repeated findings, but first-time findings.

Since it's their first time seeing many of these plants, they'll probably be safe for some time. But if they start seeing increases in usage, then the chances of them doing something about it will also increase.

Most of the plants are 100% legal to posess
mckennafan....I don't thin it's so much the idea that they contain illegal chemicals (DMT isn't illegal to possess in the US).

The chemicals in many of these plants become illegal only when used for ingestion/intoxication.


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: mycoguy]
    #2783976 - 06/11/04 07:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I want one of those candy bars :laugh:


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: Locus]
    #2784272 - 06/11/04 11:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

lol... who doesn't.

I wouldn't worry to much guys.. Because they may outlaw a few of our plants, but us researchers are bound to find more magnificant allies to work with.. We are uncovering several as we speak (i have a huge list actually) but shanin and wild cucumber are just a few.


Always one step ahead of those idiot , life ruining, cronie drone, DEA fuckers (burn in hell guys).


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: mycoguy]
    #2784421 - 06/11/04 12:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

DMT is a schedule 1 drug. I don't know how it would be legal to possess.


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #2784434 - 06/11/04 12:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I doubt that we are going to see a Yopo or a Datura/Brugmusa epidemic. Besides trying to eradicate Datura would be just as if not more futile than poppies. I don't live in the southwest, but I hear use of San Pedro is a pretty common thing so I think that might be in the same boat. I feel worse about knowing that the acid lab in Washington state got busted.


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #2784439 - 06/11/04 12:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I just find it incredibly funny that the DEA is seizing datura and other entheogens....the ignorance is astounding.


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #2784711 - 06/11/04 01:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

likewise...... I love how they try to play God by attempting to outlaw nature.. the inquisition is not yet over I suppose... Demonizing plants and such.


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2784975 - 06/11/04 03:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

mckennafan200 said it all!

inquisition?
it is a dictatorship disguised in a democracy suit.
adolf hitler becomes a joke compared to...


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: felixhigh]
    #2786788 - 06/12/04 02:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Don't worry, they'll make it illegal to consume lawn grass soon if it'll get you high. The only reason that they haven't busted the entheobotanical movement yet is because they don't want people to know about it. As soon as they deem it "illegal" everyone wants to try it, and they have to publish more articles about the dangers of plants, their health consequences, their addictiveness, etc... in the media to demonize these so called "drugs".

Believe me, the only reason all these plants aren't illegal yet is because they're finding it harder and harder to keep justifying making everything illegal, and they're running out of resources to do anything about it. What it is all going to boil down to is just busting the big pushers like the coke and heroin dealers to make their money, and bust anyone they happen to stumble across by chance that has something that is "illegal". This is why drug testing and detection technology is becoming such an issue, it tries to make them more lucky. Our hope is to keep trying to change people's minds and help them see the truth. But the DEA is very effective, and a majority of people believe their lies, or at least are so scared of the consequences to form any different opinion.

Drugs seem to have always been supressed out of irrationality, whether to support other drug manufacturers, or because of fear and the negative consequences. Our best bet is to stock up now and preserve these tools and fight our hardest to change views, because the current one's aren't working. We are not unlike the Indians of the Americas who were punished for using drugs after the arrival of the Spaniards. We know that the demons that were said to be puported by the Spaniards were not real and were only their own personal demons. The problem is, can we help others see past theirs and become more accepting of what is right?


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: mycoguy]
    #2791851 - 06/14/04 11:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The DEA can suck my dick, I dont give a fuck what they say or do anymore, in all reality they barely have an effect on our actions no matter how much money or power they have. For the most part as long as your careful they cant do anything and the only way they will ever be able to is when there power and money hugely out weights the freedom and supposed cost-benefits to society, and at that time that will be there downfall.

This was a new and instant realization on my part and I like it :evil:


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #23894229 - 12/04/16 05:22 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Quote:

mr_minds_eye said:
I doubt that we are going to see a Yopo or a Datura/Brugmusa epidemic. Besides trying to eradicate Datura would be just as if not more futile than poppies. I don't live in the southwest, but I hear use of San Pedro is a pretty common thing so I think that might be in the same boat. I feel worse about knowing that the acid lab in Washington state got busted.



You are correct that San Pedro is common here in the southwest, grows on everybody's block!


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Re: DEA is catching on to Entheogenic plant use.... [Re: peptorepto]
    #23894237 - 12/04/16 05:24 PM (5 months, 14 days ago)

Edit; Just realized you bumped a 12 year old thread.
:oldthread:


Edited by nooneman (12/04/16 05:25 PM)


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