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Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting * 1
    #27799447 - 05/30/22 07:25 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canadas-trudeau-announces-legislation-prevent-buying-selling-handguns-2022-05-30/

LOL, who does this guy think he is?

What kind of loser moves to restrict the freedoms of his people based on something that didn't even happen in his country?

I think it's safe to say that only criminals will be able to buy handguns in Canada after this passes. A dream come true for every gangster, thug and thief in Canada!

What a complete joke of a leader :facepalm:

I will never understand why these limp wristed cowards like Justin want to act like dictators. Does he get some kind of sick pleasure by abusing his power in this way?

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27799450 - 05/30/22 07:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Canada already had much stricter gun regulations.

He probably thinks he is the Prime Minister that was elected democratically.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: christopera]
    #27799505 - 05/30/22 08:05 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

We're there 60 failed lawsuits and 17 recounts to make sure his election was legit though ?


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick]
    #27799590 - 05/30/22 09:38 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Canada has been moving down this road for awhile.  I don't know enough to say whether he's done anything outside of the scope of his office which is what I assume you mean by abuse.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #27799601 - 05/30/22 09:47 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I would personally say that him jumping on the deaths of 19 children in fuckin' Texas to pass borderline totalitarian gun control policies is a staggering abuse of power.

The Canadian people will hardly have any say in the matter.

Meanwhile, he is committed to arming fanatical Ukrainian Neo-Nazi's with thousands of hand grenades and rocket launchers.

"Rocket launchers for Nazi's that will be used on civilians? Hell yeah! Handguns for my own citizens to protect themselves - LOL NO, we can't have that, guns in the hands of my own citizens bad!" - Trudeau

Throw in the way he oppressed his people during the whole trucker affair, and arbitrarily froze thousands of bank accounts, it is pretty clear at this point that the cucked loser truly is a wannabe dictator.

The guy is so afraid of the people he can't even let them own a simple 9mm pistol lmfao.

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick]
    #27799679 - 05/31/22 12:12 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Facts


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: r3volution.gurl] * 3
    #27799728 - 05/31/22 01:53 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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The Canadian people will hardly have any say in the matter.




Oh, did you ask "the Canadian people" for their say? The Yukon has the highest rate of gun-ownership in Canada (1/3 individuals, 2/3 households) - people who use guns as everyday facets of our lives - so I feel I might have a better sense of how the people most affected by firearm regulation are saying than whatever blog you read today.

Here's the sitch: just like the new laws passed in the wake of the Nova Scotia massacre, these changes to Canadian gun control are mostly preformative legislation that doesn't significantly change the currently existing landscape in Canada. It's great material to satisfy urban voters unfamiliar with firearms without doing much to make illegal guns harder to access, and it's great rage bait for people like Choppy without doing much to make legal guns harder to access - and that's about it.

Handguns were already essentially banned in Canada, outside of highly-restricted use at a range or special exemption for certain professions - in the Yukon, prospectors and trappers frequently qualify for this exemption (protection from wildlife), and the exemption won't be effected by this legislation. The only thing that this ban changes is that range-use has gotten more restricted - something that represents an incredibly small portion of Canadian gun owners.

On the other hand, the proposal to take away firearms licences from those involved in domestic violence is something I massively support. The Yukon has one of Canada's highest rates of violent crime, and intimate partner violence combined with the reality of rural living and lack of access to social services (like safe housing) is undoubtedly a significant driver behind this violence. The root of this problem isn't from illegal guns smuggled over the border - guns used in intimate partner violence are overwhelmingly legally possessed. Recognizing this association and taken steps to address it is a good change. This new legislation might not address gang shootings in Toronto or Vancouver, but it sure as hell makes a step in the right direction for addressing some of the recommendations from the MMIWG inquiry by forming a zero tolerance policy for domestic abusers and firearms.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick] * 4
    #27799950 - 05/31/22 08:43 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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What kind of loser moves to restrict the freedoms of his people based on something that didn't even happen in his country?






I challenge you to reflect on this statement.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #27800091 - 05/31/22 10:33 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

That's a lot of justification you're pulling out of your behind to justify Trudeau's blatant powergrabbing nonsense. Truly these idiots will never let a good crisis go to waste, even if said crisis was not in their country. It's pathetic. And just because handguns "were already hard to get" does not mean it is suddenly okay to make it completely impossible.

Is this clown the best Canada can do? I mean I know I don't have much room to talk here with Biden in office, but to be fair Biden was not legitimately elected.

Why is Trudeau such a coward to be afraid of his people owning a 9mm glock? It's not like a handgun is particularly threatening to those in authority. Or is he simply taking orders from Biden to enact this now like how he took orders during the trucking protests?

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick]
    #27800189 - 05/31/22 11:30 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

But it's not "completely impossible" - despite your thread title, this legislation doesn't ban handguns. Professional exemptions, and transfers/sales between licenced businesses and exempted individuals are unaffected by this legislation.

Try reading the primary source instead of one of your blogs, and refer me to the section that bans handguns in Canada: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-21/first-reading

A brief summary:
Implementing a national freeze on handguns to prevent individuals from bringing newly acquired handguns into Canada and from buying, selling, and transferring handguns within the country.
Taking away the firearms licenses of those involved in acts of domestic violence or criminal harassment, such as stalking.
Fighting gun smuggling and trafficking by increasing criminal penalties, providing more tools for law enforcement to investigate firearms crimes, and strengthening border security measures.
Addressing intimate partner violence, gender-based violence, and self-harm involving firearms by creating a new “red flag” law that would enable courts to require that individuals considered a danger to themselves or others surrender their firearms to law enforcement, while protecting the safety of the individual applying to the red flag process, including by protecting their identity.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27800205 - 05/31/22 11:39 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Furthermore,


2020 Nova Scotia attacks

2021 Faro, Yukon shootings

2022 Man shot dead by Toronto police after schools locked down had pellet gun, police watchdog says



Despite what your blogs tell you about Trudeau and Biden, this legislation is a response to domestic issues.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #27800248 - 05/31/22 12:09 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

A self-styled anarchist that defends the gun grabbing authoritarian policies of a criminal government. Hmmm.

Despite what you seem to think, I have not read any blogs on this subject (the blogs I read discuss foreign policy, not Canadian politics.) But nice assumption :rolleyes:

Here is a BBC article on the subject:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61641543

Canada should introduce a total ban on the buying and selling of all handguns, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said.

His government is proposing a new law that would freeze private ownership of all short-barrelled firearms.

The legislation would not ban the ownership of handguns outright - but would make it illegal to buy them.

The bill, which was presented to Canada's parliament on Monday, makes it impossible to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in the country.

"Other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives," Mr Trudeau told reporters.


So basically - despite your attempt to explain this away with your half-assed logic - Trudeau is making it illegal for ANY handguns to be bought unless it is for sport shooting or hunting. That is absolutely unacceptable - the coward Trudeau refuses to even acknowledge the fact that somebody might need a handgun to defend themselves from violent criminals. In so doing, he is denying people their God Given right to defend themselves if it came down to it.

Clearly, this law has very little to do with domestic abusers and everything to do with Trudeau being a gun grabbing loser. Even though there is a domestic abuse clause, this is only an addition to the bill to justify it - it's main purpose is still to ban the sales of all handguns in the country.

You want to pretend that there are no ulterior authoritarian motives at work here and the fact he is doing this right after the shooting in Texas is just a coincidence. Lol, dude, how can you lie to yourself like this? It's incredible to me the lengths you will go to justify this in your mind.

Do you vote for Trudeau's party? Do you really think this imbecile is good for your country?

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick]
    #27800258 - 05/31/22 12:16 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27800262 - 05/31/22 12:18 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

They do in God’s eyes :crankey:
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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick]
    #27800268 - 05/31/22 12:20 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Why is Trudeau such a coward





Way to twist things as you see fit.

Banning handguns requires a courage no US president yet could muster.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27800282 - 05/31/22 12:24 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

And these changes to the law are widely supported.

There's nothing to even complain about.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Asante] * 2
    #27800293 - 05/31/22 12:32 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Why is Trudeau such a coward





Way to twist things as you see fit.

Banning handguns requires a courage no US president yet could muster.




There are very few people here who would cheer on their own disarmament.

We both know the vast majority of gun owners are responsible. Which means banning them for everyone is a poor solution that hurts the majority because of some bad apples.

No US president can just ban handguns. There is the 2nd amendment and then there are individual state policies, who can literally ignore federal policy if they want.

But anyway, why do you think everyone should be disarmed because of the occasional lunatic? Won't simply banning all firearms result in a black market like other forms of prohibition?

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick]
    #27800298 - 05/31/22 12:38 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

You seem to be creating a nation full of armed lunatics.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick]
    #27800305 - 05/31/22 12:44 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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chopstick said:and then there are individual state policies, who can literally ignore federal policy if they want.




No they can't. That's literally illegal under the pre-emption clause. Of course, you're a right winger, and a common belief on the right is that the law is whatever they say, not actually what is written in the lawbooks.

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27800309 - 05/31/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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What kind of loser moves to restrict the freedoms of his people based on something that didn't even happen in his country?






I challenge you to reflect on this statement.




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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick] * 2
    #27800319 - 05/31/22 12:58 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

First, anarchy doesn't mean 'no rules' - it means 'no rulers' - supporting regulation of firearms is not a contradiction. Although I would prefer it happen via different mechanisms, fact is I live in a nation-state that uses a parliamentary system - sometimes practical discussions with people who don't accept anarchist fundamentals requires me to play along.

Second, I referred to this as "mostly performative legislation" so that should tell you how supportive I am of it - I'm just here to correct your hyperbolic misinformation because I abhor attempts to introduce US-type culture wars to the places I live. The breakdown was my attempt to provide a more reasonable description of the legislation, but the only part that I think may prove effective is the parts focused on intimate partner violence - but even here, I think vast systemic changes (like against the very concept of patriarchal society) are necessary.

Third, I provided a link to the legislation itself because such legislation usually has very specific language that isn't always reflected in reports and soundbites. Here's the relevant text on handgun transfers:

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Before:
28 A chief firearms officer may approve the transfer to an individual of a restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns) only if the chief firearms officer is satisfied

    (a) that the individual needs the restricted firearm or handgun

        (i) to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals, or

        (ii) for use in connection with his or her lawful profession or occupation; or

    (b) that the purpose for which the individual wishes to acquire the restricted firearm or handgun is

        (i) for use in target practice, or a target shooting competition, under conditions specified in an authorization to transport or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29, or

        (ii) to form part of a gun collection of the individual, in the case of an individual who satisfies the criteria described in section 30.




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28 A chief firearms officer may approve the transfer to an individual of a restricted firearm or a handgun referred to in subsection 12(6.1) (pre-December 1, 1998 handguns) only if the chief firearms officer is satisfied

    (a) that the individual needs the restricted firearm or handgun

        (i) to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals, or

        (ii) for use in connection with his or her lawful profession or occupation; or   

    (b) that the purpose for which the individual wishes to acquire the restricted firearm or handgun is for use in target practice, in a target shooting competition, under conditions specified in an authorization to transport or under the auspices of a shooting club or shooting range that is approved under section 29; or

    (c) in the case of a restricted firearm other than a handgun, that the purpose for which the individual wishes to acquire it is to form part of their gun collection and the individual satisfies the criteria described in section 30.






That isn't exactly something I would describe as "borderline totalitarian gun control policies" or "a staggering abuse of power" by "wannabe dictator." I invite you to direct me to the specific parts of the legislation the make you feel otherwise.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #27800327 - 05/31/22 01:02 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

There are 66 million law abiding gun owners in the US.

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What kind of loser moves to restrict the freedoms of his people based on something that didn't even happen in his country?






I challenge you to reflect on this statement.




How’s that reflection coming bud




Hey buddy how about you fuck off outta my thread unless you actually have something of value to contribute.



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You seem to be creating a nation full of armed lunatics.




It is true that mental health issues are rising. People are less stable than they were before, for a variety of reasons.

Still, the majority of gun owners *are* law abiding, not crazy, which means disarming all of them would just screw over everyone, and meanwhile shady characters of all types could continue to get guns in the black market.

It's easy to give in to fear when something bad happens. But that is exactly what the people who push that fear want. They want us afraid so they can push the changes onto us they could not have done otherwise. Something like the Patriot Act.



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No they can't. That's literally illegal under the pre-emption clause. Of course, you're a right winger, and a common belief on the right is that the law is whatever they say, not actually what is written in the lawbooks.




And yet they have done exactly that: https://gunwars.news21.com/2014/eight-states-have-passed-laws-voiding-federal-firearms-regulations/

As for your arrogant statement about being a right-winger (because of course it's impossible for someone to formulate their own opinions without receiving such a label), there are many things I could say about left-wingers, but I'd prefer not to.

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    #27800338 - 05/31/22 01:14 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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    #27800364 - 05/31/22 01:30 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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chopstick said:and then there are individual state policies, who can literally ignore federal policy if they want.




No they can't. That's literally illegal under the pre-emption clause. Of course, you're a right winger, and a common belief on the right is that the law is whatever they say, not actually what is written in the lawbooks.




And yet they have done exactly that: https://gunwars.news21.com/2014/eight-states-have-passed-laws-voiding-federal-firearms-regulations/

As for your arrogant statement about being a right-winger (because of course it's impossible for someone to formulate their own opinions without receiving such a label), there are many things I could say about left-wingers, but I'd prefer not to.




Oh, look at that, eight Republican controlled states doing criminal things, because why would I ever expect republicans to do basic things like follow the law?

Again, Republicans seems to believe the law is whatever they say, not what the actual lawbooks say.

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    #27800389 - 05/31/22 01:43 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Again, Republicans seems to believe the law is whatever they say, not what the actual lawbooks say.





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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27800410 - 05/31/22 01:57 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Oh, look at that, eight Republican controlled states doing criminal things, because why would I ever expect republicans to do basic things like follow the law?

Again, Republicans seems to believe the law is whatever they say, not what the actual lawbooks say.




Actually no, they are following the Constitution to the letter. Something that Democrats would love to do away with.

The fact that we have states rights in the first place is a bloody miracle. It's a huge tool to fight against federal government overreach and attempts at arbitrarily restricting rights based on random media-inflated fearporn by politicians that long ago sold out their constituents.

But I know you would love to be able to watch everyone be forced to obey "authority" even when it is a corrupt authority pushing unconstitutional measures.

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick]
    #27800416 - 05/31/22 02:02 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Imagine thinking democrats want to get rid of the constitution lmao.

I fucking wish.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
    #27800427 - 05/31/22 02:06 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

In a truly free country, gun ownership would not be restricted by a corrupt government that also just so happens to send out the stormtroopers to literally trample its own citizens on horses for the mere "crime" of complaining about something as disgusting and corrupt as a government forcing people out of jobs for refusing to get a questionable and shoddy vaccine that hardly even works, for entirely political reasons, like Canada.

Just like how drug laws would not exist in a truly free country either.

A shame the founding fathers didn't have the foresight to put an amendment against reprehensible drug laws & profit-based mass incarceration on the books, but hey - atleast they got some things right. The things they *did* get right should be protected, because if those are taken from us as well, then it's just another step towards our collective enslavement.

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27800428 - 05/31/22 02:08 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Imagine thinking democrats want to get rid of the constitution lmao.





Yes because all the constant attacks they lead against the first and second amendments are just for show, and have nothing at all to do with removing inconvenient restrictions to the power they would like to wield.

I understand you are led by your cynicism (I am at times as well), but this does not give you a free pass to be naive and ignore the obvious.

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    #27800435 - 05/31/22 02:13 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

That's a lovely speech, but what do the originators of US government have to do with Canada, or your claim that "Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting"?

Can you refer me to the specific legislative changes, or will you just keep serving random media-inflated fearporn?


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    #27800448 - 05/31/22 02:23 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Imagine thinking democrats want to get rid of the constitution lmao.





Yes because all the constant attacks they lead against the first and second amendments are just for show, and have nothing at all to do with removing inconvenient restrictions to the power they would like to wield.

I understand you are led by your cynicism (I am at times as well), but this does not give you a free pass to be naive and ignore the obvious.




The obvious is that the Constitution is a right wing framework written by right wing ideologues and protected by two right wing political parties.

It’s never been under serious threat of being gotten rid of. To the extent it’s changed at all has only served to preserve its legitimacy.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick]
    #27800492 - 05/31/22 03:04 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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In a truly free country, gun ownership would not be restricted by a corrupt government that also just so happens to send out the stormtroopers to literally trample its own citizens on horses for the mere "crime" of complaining about something as disgusting and corrupt as a government forcing people out of jobs for refusing to get a questionable and shoddy vaccine that hardly even works, for entirely political reasons, like Canada.

Just like how drug laws would not exist in a truly free country either.

A shame the founding fathers didn't have the foresight to put an amendment against reprehensible drug laws & profit-based mass incarceration on the books, but hey - atleast they got some things right. The things they *did* get right should be protected, because if those are taken from us as well, then it's just another step towards our collective enslavement.




Your version of "free country" sounds more like "free-for-all."  A nation without drug laws is a nation that cares not for the safety of its citizens.  Your version of "free country" would be one where you can walk into a store to buy Tylenol and die of a fentanyl overdose from taking it.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: chopstick]
    #27800593 - 05/31/22 04:32 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

You're simply looking at it wrong.

For choppy, freedom means he gets to do whatever the fuck he wants and other people have to cater to his desires. Common GOP refrain.

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Oh, look at that, eight Republican controlled states doing criminal things, because why would I ever expect republicans to do basic things like follow the law?

Again, Republicans seems to believe the law is whatever they say, not what the actual lawbooks say.




Actually no, they are following the Constitution to the letter. Something that Democrats would love to do away with.

The fact that we have states rights in the first place is a bloody miracle. It's a huge tool to fight against federal government overreach and attempts at arbitrarily restricting rights based on random media-inflated fearporn by politicians that long ago sold out their constituents.

But I know you would love to be able to watch everyone be forced to obey "authority" even when it is a corrupt authority pushing unconstitutional measures.




No, they are not. The constitution says that the federal government has final say and overrules states laws when they conflict. The states you are talking about are explicitly violating the constitution because they...well, want to do crime. That's really it.

If state's rights mattered, then the GOP wouldn't be crying about states choosing to enforce gun laws. But, here we are, and you're crying about a foreign country enforcing reasonable gun laws.

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27800596 - 05/31/22 04:34 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Your post illustrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the Constitution.  The federal government only has "final say" when it comes to things it has power to legislate, which is very little.


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    #27800599 - 05/31/22 04:36 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Far as I can tell, SCOTUS hasn't yet ruled that the second amendment allows totally unrestricted gun ownership, so federal laws limiting gun ownership are still constitutional, and take precedence over state laws.

Although I would not be surprised if that changed in the next few months. Lot of gun smugglers gonna be pissed when the iron pipeline shuts down. I guess they'll have to drive to Canada.

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27800602 - 05/31/22 04:38 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

The federal government doesn't have the power to legislate firearms unless those firearms somehow involve interstate commerce.  A gun wholly manufactured in a state in which it is sold is likely exempt from any federal legislation.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27800606 - 05/31/22 04:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

To be fair, the federal government has the power to do whatever the courts and state governments don’t stop them from doing.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27800611 - 05/31/22 04:43 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

As do you.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27800634 - 05/31/22 04:58 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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The federal government doesn't have the power to legislate firearms unless those firearms somehow involve interstate commerce.  A gun wholly manufactured in a state in which it is sold is likely exempt from any federal legislation.




Under that logic, destructive device legislation could not apply within states and I could make a grenade launcher for personal use as long as I didn't cross any state lines.

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27800650 - 05/31/22 05:12 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

If it's legal under your state's laws, yes.  But you better make sure you don't source any materials that crossed state or national borders


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27800711 - 05/31/22 06:01 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

including the steel?


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    #27800715 - 05/31/22 06:06 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

That's still very much an open legal question regarding how far back raw materials have to go before they have crossed interstate lines.


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it isn't that hard to make anyway


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27800719 - 05/31/22 06:08 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

You really wouldn't want to make a home made grenade launcher out of Chinese steel would you? :facepalm3:

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27800723 - 05/31/22 06:12 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

My buddy and his sons made a home made flame thrower this weekend.
He sent me a video where he's slurring his words so badly he can barely talk just blazing everything, lol.

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    #27800725 - 05/31/22 06:14 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

thats a bit more dangerous.  A real one that throws flaming gelled fuel or a play one that throws burning gaseous/aerosol fuel?


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    #27800742 - 05/31/22 06:31 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

It looks like gelled fuel. I didn't ask him. The video is crazy. PM me your number and I'll send it to you.

He said his next move is to make a bigger tank, lol

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    #27800749 - 05/31/22 06:36 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I haven't looked into it, but I would venture to guess that most of these things are illegal under most state's laws.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27800763 - 05/31/22 06:51 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

i think can cannons are legal
https://xproducts.com/can-cannons/

Edit: holy shit, apparently these are also legal
https://xproducts.com/x-15-flame-thrower-industrial-grade/


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27800905 - 05/31/22 09:58 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Yeah, they used to melt snow with those around campus back in the day.

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That's still very much an open legal question regarding how far back raw materials have to go before they have crossed interstate lines.




So, could this not be taken back to "you imported the ore, therefore this is federal business"?

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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27800913 - 05/31/22 10:07 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

There are those who believe that, but that's never been the law, and with the current SCOTUS, we're likely to see the commerce clause interpreted more narrowly than in decades past.


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Re: Trudeau moves to ban handguns based on US shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27801315 - 06/01/22 09:54 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Material origins are notoriously difficult to track. It’s why aerospace materials are so expensive because the paper trail is huge.

I occasionally have to source certified material for some projects. Laughably I occasionally get certs on material that doesn’t need certification, which means the certs are almost certainly fake. It happens all the time. There have been a few notable disasters that have been blamed on material that wasn’t certified properly.

Anyways, there’s just no way to track material backwards like that. It would have to be some highly unique material, but the vast majority of things use common grades and tempers. Even then, there are plenty of grades of materials that basically are just comprised of wherever is cheapest.


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    #27801338 - 06/01/22 10:06 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

That's kinda the whole thing.  Unless there's some provable link to interstate commerce, the law likely doesn't apply.  This is why federal prosecution is so rare unless there's some proof of shit crossing state lines.


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    #27823793 - 06/17/22 08:34 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Does Trudeau speak flawless Quebecois, or is it accented?

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    #27825430 - 06/18/22 06:13 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Everybody in Canada takes both French and English in school, specifically Quebecois. I don't think he is from Quebec though. So it's probably a regional bastardized form, but still better than mine.

I studied in Canada for a year when I was in University. I had three years of French in high school. In university level French there I got my ass fucking handed to me. Taking French was a bad choice in a country where basically every student had to study it for the entirety of grade school.


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Everybody in Canada takes both French and English in school, specifically Quebecois. I don't think he is from Quebec though. So it's probably a regional bastardized form, but still better than mine.

I studied in Canada for a year when I was in University. I had three years of French in high school. In university level French there I got my ass fucking handed to me. Taking French was a bad choice in a country where basically every student had to study it for the entirety of grade school.



My favorite poet is French, but I cannot speak/read the language.

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    #27825438 - 06/18/22 06:19 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Even after my four years and busting my ass in Canada to get better at it, my French is piss poor. My retention on language is bad, even with English I struggle with basic words some times and I've been doing it for 36 years. To some degree I think it is because I mostly read technical information in my spare time, so conversational French never got easy for me because I never needed it. I'd have been better off taking a French language engineering class.

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    #27825440 - 06/18/22 06:21 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

At least you have some grasp of the Gallic tongue.

I speak two languages but only one of them eloquently.

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    #27825446 - 06/18/22 06:28 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I took a good bit of Spanish too. I am equally bad at that as I am French.

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    #27825451 - 06/18/22 06:34 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Spanish has never appealed to me.

I rate Italian as the most lyrical European language.

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    #27825454 - 06/18/22 06:37 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I was semi familiarized with Italian on account of some business associated I had. I found it semi easy to pick up and understand to some degree, much like Spanish I'd say. I also did some business with some Germans and found it completely unintelligible.


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What are you, a fucking polyglot?

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    #27825459 - 06/18/22 06:44 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Not even close. Being able to sort of get by does not mean I can write it, or speak it, I just stumble through like the retard I am. By all measures I am probably below average even in my native language.


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It is still impressive.

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    #27833079 - 06/23/22 02:10 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Since apparently going after handguns wasn't enough, there is now talk of internet regulation in Canada:

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/canada-may-be-headed-down-a-slippery-slope-of-internet-regulation

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Bill C-18, which will have to go over to the fall session of Parliament since the kerfuffle over Bill C-11 has taken up so much of the lower chamber’s time, would give the CRTC oversight of online news, which its critics and even former leaders claim it is unqualified to handle. It would also divvy up the loot that Google and Facebook will be ordered to pay Canadian media outlets for carrying links to their news stories. That is, of course, unless Google and Facebook decide to stop carrying such links, as the former did for years in Spain and the latter did briefly in Australia after similar legislation was enacted there recently.

The problem with putting bureaucrats such as CRTC Chairman Ian Scott in charge of regulating the Internet is that they were long ago captured by the vested interests they are supposed to oversee. Scott, for example, was spotted having a friendly beer at an Ottawa pub a while back with the CEO of Bell Canada, which records annual profits of $10 billion or so. The CRTC then shockingly reversed its earlier decision lowering wholesale Internet rates, much to the benefit of Bell and the handful of other big telecom companies which dominate the industry. With regulators like this, is it any wonder Canadians pay among the highest rates in the world for cable, Internet, and cell service?

Most worrying of all may be Ottawa’s pending “online harms” legislation, which would reportedly force tech companies to take down flagged content within 24 hours. Its critics claim it would enable the government to “silence dissenting Canadian voices online.” The content could include disinformation such as “fake news,” online abuse, hate speech, deceptive advertising or even just misleading political communication. A new “digital safety commissioner” would reportedly enforce the legislation, which would also apparently give CSIS expanded powers to obtain subscriber information from companies, while online platforms may also be required to report suspect posts to police and security services. The implications are Orwellian.





Canada seems to be following in the footsteps of certain parts of Europe and down the slippery slope of authoritarianism..

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