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Wilting and Blackening Caps, Salvagable?
    #27798238 - 05/29/22 07:39 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I noticed my b+ mushrooms started getting furry feet this morning and so I increased FAE. Sadly, the caps are starting to wilt and blacken. The black part feels soft to the touch, which I think indicates rot. Should I just harvest these ASAP and get them dehydrated? Or can they come back?

And what might've been the issue? Was I too slow giving them more FAE, or was it a lack of moisture in the substrate or humidity? It's my first grow and I'm really wishing I had more tools like a hygrometer and co2 meter at this point.



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Re: Wilting and Blackening Caps, Salvagable? [Re: newb1egrower]
    #27798251 - 05/29/22 07:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

When in doubt throw it out.

Increase the fresh air your tubs get.

Rather then cover the top hole completely you might want to cover it only half way. Or leave it open. It just depends on your climate. A good way to gauge if you're getting enough fresh air is if all the walls have condensation but its starting to dry under the top holes.


You dont need hygrometer, co2 meter or any other kind of meter.

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Re: Wilting and Blackening Caps, Salvagable? [Re: 0001001]
    #27798260 - 05/29/22 07:52 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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You dont need hygrometer, co2 meter or any other kind of meter.



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Re: Wilting and Blackening Caps, Salvagable? [Re: 0001001]
    #27798269 - 05/29/22 08:03 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I'll wait before I toss anything. I went ahead and felt and pressed on teh casing layer with my finger and it actually feels dry. I think the speed of the mushrooms growing actually pulled more water out than I expected and they're out of moisture. I went ahead and added some water and I'll see what happens.

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Re: Wilting and Blackening Caps, Salvagable? [Re: newb1egrower] * 1
    #27798282 - 05/29/22 08:19 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I actually think based on the pics you shared the tub looks a bit on the dry side.

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Re: Wilting and Blackening Caps, Salvagable? [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27798284 - 05/29/22 08:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I actually think based on the pics you shared the tub looks a bit on the dry side.




Yeah I'm actually like 99% sure it was dry now. I pressed my finger on the side as well before I watered it and it felt dry all the way through. I think these guys should definitely be salvageable.

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Re: Wilting and Blackening Caps, Salvagable? [Re: newb1egrower]
    #27798289 - 05/29/22 08:25 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

If you are talking about the mature fruits that you have pictured I am not so sure about that. I rather toss than roll the dice.

If you are talking about your tub I agree that the grow can be saved and get some fruits. I would decrease whatever FAE you have currently so the tub retains more moisture. Maybe add a couple more layers of micropore tape to the holes or just close 1 or 2 completely.

Not saying this is you but if you are fanning and misting you are doing something incorrectly. A tub should be set and forget until harvest and re-hydration.

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Re: Wilting and Blackening Caps, Salvagable? [Re: newb1egrower]
    #27799486 - 05/30/22 07:54 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I have an update. I decided to pull the few mushrooms up which weren't looking so great. I cut the caps off to look inside and found they had already begun to blue in the stems. I decided to harvest the rest of the tub in hopes to salvage anything I could. The vast majority of my mushrooms ended up being totally fine, and are currently dehydrating. I then got to analyze the cake under the casing layer since I had to remove some side pins. Turns out, the cake looked beautiful with no signs of infection.

So this led me to conclude that the problem must have been environmental. I looked at some photos I had taken before and noticed those mushrooms never really looked great to begin with. They continued to grow but they were almost like zombies. I was also confused by another problem. These b+ really didn't look like b+. They never really had a noticeable veil and the caps didn't look like they were going to open. This was confirmed when I analyzed the harvested mushrooms, which had exposed gills, albeit very small. The stem nearly met the edge of the cap. In addition, the stems of the mushrooms are fat. Very fat.

Because of this, I don't think these spores were b+. I think they're PE, so I'm damned grateful I decided to add a casing layer or I probably wouldn't have gotten anything. Instead I'm looking at some extreme bluing mushrooms in the dehydrator that frankly look intimidatingly strong. As a first timer, I wanted an easy strain and instead managed to grow these moderately successfully. They were by no means perfect as the conditions have a lot to be desired and I have a lot to work on for next time.

EDIT: I tossed the mushrooms which didn't look healthy. Not going to take a chance with that.

Edited by newb1egrower (05/30/22 07:55 PM)

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Re: Wilting and Blackening Caps, Salvagable? [Re: newb1egrower]
    #27799558 - 05/30/22 09:03 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Here's a picture of a small one I broke in half to see if they were dry enough. It basically looks black inside. Trying to dry them fast to keep them as potent as possible. 125f in a dehydrator. Nothing sinister here right? I've never seen a mushroom black inside. The ones I kept were all white when harvesting and started bluing right away.


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Re: Wilting and Blackening Caps, Salvagable? [Re: newb1egrower]
    #27808341 - 06/06/22 12:33 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Going to give another update for reference in case anyone comes across this in the future. Over the weekend I gave these mushrooms a test with what I previously would've considered a threshold dose of 0.35g. At that dose I figured I could test the strength of these. If I couldn't feel any noticeable effects then they're weaker than the current mushrooms I was using. The current mushrooms I have are PE mushrooms, albeit they may have lost potency because I don't think they were dried properly now that I know what cracker dry really means. I couldn't control that since I didn't grow them. This grow weighed out to 810g wet, 62.44g dried.

Needless to say the result was shocking. I seriously underestimated the strength of these. I consumed about 2/3 of a single mushroom, broken midway down the stem. The cap was white inside, but it turned dark grey/black in the stem. I measured with two different scales, both confirming 0.35g. I started feeling effects within 20 minutes and by 75 minutes I started peaking. Moderate/Strong nausea, moderately vivid closed eye visuals and waves and flowing with eyes open. Typical effects to me for a moderate dose trip at only 0.35g consumed. Compared to my other mushrooms, these may be equivalent to around 1.25-1.5g. I've never even heard of anyone ever tripping from such a low dose, although I must admit I'm a cheap date when it comes to mushrooms.

Anecdotal evidence would suggest that these are not b+, but probably penis envy or a mutation. The only take away I can really confirm though is that they're fine to consume despite the dark grey and black coloring contained within the stem. It certainly would appear as though it's only bruising and may appear dark due to a high psilocin content.

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