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I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records.
#27794563 - 05/27/22 01:09 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Resolved!
I got what I was looking for.
Edited by Anonymous (07/20/22 10:14 PM)
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27794602 - 05/27/22 02:46 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe someone is accusing her of something, true or not true. Both happen with therapists.
There is zero reason she shouldn't give you your records. Some places charge a reasonable amount for record copy, had it happen with a dentist once, but now it's usually digital and if you ask, in writing, they send.
Where I live I've only done it having a new doctor request from an old doctor (physical doctor, not therapist, but should be no different).
New doc had me sign something and give contact info for old doc, that was the last I heard about it. Next time I went to new doc, about two weeks later, they already had the records. Might have gotten them even faster than that, I don't know.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Anonymous #1] 3
#27794837 - 05/27/22 08:42 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I suspect she took very poor/sparse session notes. That would not be unusual at all, but she is likely reluctant to be outed for that.
She might also be worried and having feelings of inadequacy if she poorly documented your sessions. Perhaps she should see someone about this.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: pslyke] 1
#27795227 - 05/27/22 02:44 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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there are probably legal risks that she's concerned about, but there are also notes that therapists take privately to avoid upsetting patients and that kind of thing. Some of the notes she takes are used to help her guide your care, and how that stuff is presented to the patient is an important consideration. Honestly I think she's doing the right thing from a certain perspective and trying to be responsible to you as a care provider while covering her ass at the same time. I think she offered to let you come in and see them under supervision so she could make sure you were okay and understood what was going on when you reviewed stuff and saw comments. looking at that stuff in a bad headspace can trigger people and bad things can happen. She probably doesn't want that to happen, and also doesn't want to be held responsible if you read her notes and then hurt/kill yourself (probably not a personal thing toward you, but more of a general precaution). Usually therapists transfer stuff to other therapists instead of directly to the patient. I think your request is reasonable though, and it might be worth taking her up on her offer for a session and then taking your records with you afterwards. you can get some clarification on the notes, which might be cryptic and difficult to interpret without some expertise, and she can cover her ass and feel responsible.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: pslyke] 1
#27795661 - 05/27/22 07:45 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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pslyke said: I suspect she took very poor/sparse session notes. That would not be unusual at all, but she is likely reluctant to be outed for that.
She might also be worried and having feelings of inadequacy if she poorly documented your sessions. Perhaps she should see someone about this.
hahahaha!
this.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#27795694 - 05/27/22 08:02 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said:
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pslyke said: I suspect she took very poor/sparse session notes. That would not be unusual at all, but she is likely reluctant to be outed for that.
She might also be worried and having feelings of inadequacy if she poorly documented your sessions. Perhaps she should see someone about this.
hahahaha!
this.
I agree!  
Thank you for the answers. I hadnt considered she might be having legal issues with other clients, or even nervous that I might be "gathering evidence".
Mr Guesswork's reply makes the most sense. I am not a psychotherapist and would most likely not understand some of the notes. At the same time I hope this is not the case, but I guess in time hopefully I will see.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27795774 - 05/27/22 08:45 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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She offered to have you come in to ask questions while reading the notes so I think it's safe to believe there is information there that she is concerned you might not handle well and she does not want to put you or herself is a risky position. That's the most likely reason in my opinion.
Years ago, my psychologist sent my physician quite a bit of her notes and my doctor (being the weird doctor he is) had read the notes out loud to me when he was supposed to read them privately and then talk to me about me. I was very surprised by what my psychologist had written because it didn't match up with what she would say to me and it didn't quite make sense as she never brought up certain things in the notes before. So the next time I saw her, I let her know that my doctor read her notes about me and how I felt about it. Once she explained her notes, the purpose of some of the words she used, and why certain things were meant to be held back until a certain point, it helped, instead of potentially hurting and confusing me when I technically read them on my own.
The notes are not meant for the patients. They are for the professional to keep track of their patient in a way only the professional can really understand correctly and not to be misintreperted, especially by a patient.
Also, in my opinion, it's not weird to ask about whether someone was molested or not. It happens more often than people think and many experience too much shame and guilt to ever admit/talk about it.
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Edited by r3volution.gurl (05/27/22 08:52 PM)
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: r3volution.gurl]
#27798332 - 05/29/22 08:55 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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She offered to have you come in to ask questions while reading the notes so I think it's safe to believe there is information there that she is concerned you might not handle well and she does not want to put you or herself is a risky position. That's the most likely reason in my opinion.
I think subconsciously I have been wondering what you outline. I have spent time pondering if there is something in those notes that would be triggering. I am not sure if there would be, but I really dont know. my suspicious part of my personality wonders if she is attempting to keep the bit about the molestation from me due to the way she asked, in a way to risk legal action. But Thats just a suspicion and I have absolutely no proof other than my thoughts. But even that is not the reason I want the notes.
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The notes are not meant for the patients. They are for the professional to keep track of their patient in a way only the professional can really understand correctly and not to be misintreperted, especially by a patient.
I am wondering why this is the case. I can/have gotten my medical records and it has been very helpful. perhaps the professional should keep the notes in a way to be beneficial for both patient and client? I dont know
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27798699 - 05/30/22 06:49 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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unpacking trauma can be complicated, and it's not helpful to trigger something without coping mechanisms and other structure in place. Your therapist probably took notes on things she saw and on the way you reacted to questions and that kind of thing, and I'm sure she also took notes on your level of insight and judgement. That's all part of making a good plan to help. A therapist needs to know what they're working with to figure out how to help. The language they use can feel sort of harsh and judgmental, particularly if abuse is part of the normal social interactions around the subject matter for you, but a therapist's notes are more about assessing your psychological state so they can figure out what kind of support you need to work through the problem more productively. Dumping that kind of assessment on somebody without laying appropriate groundwork could easily be triggering. That's part of why therapist's notes are sort of private. There are lots of other legitimate concerns as well, but I agree that you should be able to get access to all your records if you understand the risks, and I think that should be doable if you approach your therapist tactfully. Lots' of doctors are huge cowards when it comes to taking risks that might get them sued, but showing understanding and going to talk with her about why you want to see the records should help put her mind at ease, and I still think that's a good idea that will get you what you want with minimal bullshit.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#27808146 - 06/06/22 09:41 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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unpacking trauma can be complicated, and it's not helpful to trigger something without coping mechanisms and other structure in place. Your therapist probably took notes on things she saw and on the way you reacted to questions and that kind of thing, and I'm sure she also took notes on your level of insight and judgement.
I understand.
Since making this thread, Ive spent a lot of time reflecting on what would be the worst case scenario with the notes that would get me horribly triggered.. ( even took time to consider what would be something that would make me snap ) That was an interesting thought experiment. Thats also why it took me a few days to reply to you lol. Im glad I took the time to think about this as well. I am also curious if I will be wrong.
Even after spending time to think of the worst case scenario, and asking if I really want this information, I still do want to see it. I am curious at how I did present myself back then, just shy of a decade. I would like to see how a trained professional assessed me, and how I can reflect on that with how I am now. Its like the person I was back then is alien to me at this moment. I know its not worth while to dwell or mull over the past. This feels more like a checkpoint in life that I want to compare myself against.
Who know's. I am curious.
again, thank you to all who have made me think more deeply on this
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#27810995 - 06/08/22 03:49 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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A quick google search of EMDR suggests it has "controversial efficacy" in treating PTSD. The qualifications for "therapist" differ across states.
It may also be that frankly, your therapist is kind of a bullshitter, and after 6 years has crap records, or had very little in the first place. Keep pressing and see what you get.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Anonymous #3]
#27811951 - 06/09/22 09:22 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Anonymous #3 said: A quick google search of EMDR suggests it has "controversial efficacy" in treating PTSD. The qualifications for "therapist" differ across states.
It may also be that frankly, your therapist is kind of a bullshitter, and after 6 years has crap records, or had very little in the first place. Keep pressing and see what you get.
I was considering this perspective as well. there is a small, but part of me wanting to see the notes from this angle too. Its not that I am looking to find any bullshit, but part of wanting to see how a therapist perceives me does wonder how much is just another person's transference.
This morning I woke up to an email saying she has photocopied all notes and is willing to mail them to me or set a meeting time to pick them up from her office. I was surprised to get this info so fast. I suspect the freedom of information act in Canada here having alot to do with that.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#27812757 - 06/09/22 10:09 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Cool, I’m interested in your take on that too (how much was transference etc). Do let us know how it goes
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27816356 - 06/12/22 04:13 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Cool, I’m interested in your take on that too (how much was transference etc). Do let us know how it goes 
Me too and I'm glad you will get the records.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: r3volution.gurl] 1
#27823105 - 06/16/22 07:02 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Got the notes! havent looked at them yet. I will plan an appropriate time to. There's a lot.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#27824233 - 06/17/22 02:19 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: psillyboy]
#27832721 - 06/23/22 09:05 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Update:
Hard to know what to say! the notes have been kinda anticlimactic after all the thought Ive put into this so far 
The notes have been pretty much what I anticipated. As for transference, mind you Im only 1/4 way through things so far, I have not noticed anything except side notes that are phrased as questions for the therapist to research and even check in with the head psychologist prof she was trained under.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#27832726 - 06/23/22 09:11 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Well that's good!
Glad to hear that.
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: r3volution.gurl] 1
#27847783 - 07/03/22 02:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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"it seems op has frequently been fantasing about having sexual relations with mushrooms... I believe this is either a metaphor for denial of homosexuality or he has a drug problem... Update. He has told me that he has been eating "penis envy" after a Google search, it turns out that it very well may be both."
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Re: I would like some insight into my therapists reaction to my request for records. [Re: Salomon]
#27856516 - 07/09/22 07:49 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Psychotherapy is two narcissists in a room circlejerking. I guess it’s not technically a circle, more like a point A to point B reciprocal jerking vacillation.
The therapist never took any notes when she originally saw OP. Any writing she was observed performing were inconsequential doodles, all of them vaguely phallic, but inconsequential nonetheless.
Upon OP’s request, the therapist hastily cobbled together some boilerplate standard jargon, and these were the notes she finally handed over.
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