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Re: Another shooting [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27804181 - 06/03/22 12:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

lol, no.

Maybe the 40 before that


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Re: Another shooting [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27804435 - 06/03/22 04:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

DeSantis vetoed funding for the Rays after they expressed concern about the shootings.

Also, this one really opened the floodgates, didn't it? We've had like 20 shootings since then.

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Re: Another shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27804438 - 06/03/22 04:29 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Yeah.  That happens.  When the media makes a huge deal about it, it makes the concept more attractive to the wackos


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27804543 - 06/03/22 05:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Not to nearly the same extent.

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Re: Another shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27804558 - 06/03/22 05:47 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

not to nearly the same extent as what?


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27804889 - 06/03/22 08:58 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

as normal.

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Re: Another shooting [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27807169 - 06/05/22 03:55 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Almost as if the constant stream of excuses, from Marilyn Manson to mental illness, are just scapegoats to preserve the mechanisms that create and preserve societal inequalities - like capitalism, white supremacy, and patriarchy.




Of the multitude of factors that contribute to human misery, those three wouldn't make my top 10 list.

Notice we never talk about misery.  Just blame violent behavior on mental illness & social media.  How lame

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Re: Another shooting [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27807193 - 06/05/22 04:22 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:

Almost as if the constant stream of excuses, from Marilyn Manson to mental illness, are just scapegoats to preserve the mechanisms that create and preserve societal inequalities - like capitalism, white supremacy, and patriarchy.




Of the multitude of factors that contribute to human misery, those three wouldn't make my top 10 list.

Notice we never talk about misery.  Just blame violent behavior on mental illness & social media.  How lame




Let’s hear your top 10


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Re: Another shooting [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27807311 - 06/05/22 05:49 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Guy open carrying AR-15 robbed at gun point, hands over AR-15

Then gets another gun, starts a shootout which injures two bystanders.

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Re: Another shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27807906 - 06/06/22 06:00 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Ten mass shootings in the last three days.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27808065 - 06/06/22 08:34 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I feel like we're living through what I imagined the Wild West was like as a little kid .


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27808090 - 06/06/22 08:58 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

it isn't comparable. We aren't even anywhere near the homicide rate in the Wild West when you actually were a little kid.  (Roughly half the 1991 rate, currently)


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Re: Another shooting [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27808236 - 06/06/22 11:09 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I wonder if anyone's done a distribution of different types of murder over time, and correlated that to other social factors.

Is there an increase in random violence or is it just more prominent now? Because as Psilynut alluded to, different types of murder feel different. Like, if a guy catches his wife cheating and shoots her, that feels different from a guy walking into a school and shooting random kids.

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Re: Another shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27808741 - 06/06/22 07:02 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

It’s the phenomenon of having access to the reality of all these events in real time, thanks to the internet and social media.

Things only seem so dire because we’re finally getting a glimpse into the horrors of reality.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27808853 - 06/06/22 08:39 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Well, no, the number of mass shootings is steadily increasing. It used to be one every few days, not a few every day.

I mean comparing various forms of crime to various social factors like government stability, wealth inequality, social stability, etc.

I mean, the proportions gotta change, right? The motivations behind the shootings. I wonder how those correlate?

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Re: Another shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27808897 - 06/06/22 08:52 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Mass shootings didn't exist in 1991 but if they did most of them would have been categorized as "gang violence" back then


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27808904 - 06/06/22 08:55 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I think mass shootings are the only instance of violence to be increasing, but I’m not sure how you quantify those social factors.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27808919 - 06/06/22 09:09 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Viewing these “mass shootings” akin to the way one looks at an individual cell doing whatever the equivalent would be in a body organized & composed of many cells produces valuable imagery.  And that it’s spreading - what does that mean exactly?  :stoned:


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Re: Another shooting [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27809306 - 06/07/22 05:45 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Gang violence is fairly different than what we are seeing today. These mass shootings are generally individuals with no motivation to take money or operating space. They solely want to kill, maybe in the name of some manifesto or something similar, but it is very different than motives gangs have. That's why people are afraid of them, there is no rhyme or reason.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: christopera]
    #27809325 - 06/07/22 06:19 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

That simply isn't the case, even though we tend to think of mass shootings in this way. 

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/mass-shootings.html

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Another definitional disagreement is whether to include multiple-victim shooting incidents that occur in connection with some other crime or domestic dispute. Because mass shootings that stem from domestic and gang violence are contextually distinct from high-fatality indiscriminate killings in public venues, some analysts have argued that they should be treated separately. In their analyses of “mass public shootings,” Lott and Landes (2000) excluded any felony-related shooting, and Duwe, Kovandzic, and Moody (2002) excluded incidents where “both the victims and offender(s) were involved in unlawful activities, such as organized crime, gang activity, and drug deals” (p. 276). Similarly, other researchers (e.g., Gius, 2015c; Luca, Malhotra, and Poliquin, 2020) have restricted analyses to events that occurred in a relatively public area and in which victims appeared to have been selected randomly. However, others have claimed that this narrow definition ignores a substantial proportion of gun-related violence from family- or felony-related murder (Fox and Levin, 2015). Furthermore, determinants of whether victims were selected indiscriminately or whether the incidents were gang- or crime-related are, to some degree, subjective. Accurate information about the shooter’s motivations or connection to gangs may not have been included in police or news reports of the incidents. In contrast, the Mass Shooting Tracker and the Gun Violence Archive count as mass shootings all incidents that meet their designated casualty threshold, regardless of the circumstances that led to the event or the motivation of the shooter.

These definitions make a substantial difference in which incidents are counted.[3] As noted earlier, depending on which data source is used, there were between six and 503 mass shootings in the United States in 2019 (see Table 1)




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