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Re: Another shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27796360 - 05/28/22 11:44 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I dunno.. I think it would be kinda great if the only way to commit a mass murder was to have to build a gun yourself. That would at least cut down the odds of the lazy/stupid among us of obtaining a firearm.

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Re: Another shooting [Re: Lynnch]
    #27796381 - 05/28/22 12:05 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

There are infinite hypothetical realities that would be great.  The one you presented isn't the one we live in, however.  Also, the lazy and the stupid aren't really the ones who pose a threat.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27796411 - 05/28/22 12:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Marx once said “the philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways, the point is to change it.”


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Re: Another shooting [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27796412 - 05/28/22 12:42 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

He Clearly had no idea what he was talking about. The world is already a wonderful place.  Why change it?


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27796551 - 05/28/22 03:14 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Gun violence has not exactly been rapidly climbing in America, but who knows...your crystal ball may be right.  Nonetheless, as time goes on, people around the world will be more easily able to create guns in their homes.  They will become more available.  That's unavoidable, and no amount of policy or law is going to change that.




Gun related deaths in the US have been steadily climbing since roughly 2000, with a sharp increase ever since 2016.

Suicides have been the slow and steady climb, but homicides have really taken off since 2016. Guns have recently surpassed cars in deaths per year. As car regulations improve, deaths by car continue to drop.

As much as everybody talks about the easy manufacture of guns, especially with 3d printers and such, for some reason, all the shootings seems top use store bought guns. You would expect that the EU would be swamped in 3d printed gun violence if that was the case, but alas it is not. Gun violence in the EU keeps going down. It's really only the US that gun violence is rising (not counting active war zones).

Again, we Americans must just be racially predisposed to shooting each other. We must be inherently more violent than normal people.

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Re: Another shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27797076 - 05/28/22 11:08 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Culturally.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27797367 - 05/29/22 07:28 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I keep thinking after (pick a #) a couple hundred more of these they would have to go with some kind of limited gun control, but probably not with this Supreme Court lineup.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
    #27797376 - 05/29/22 07:45 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

There’s a pretty easy litmus test for these things, which is “what was done between 08-10?” The liberals had the presidency, a filibuster proof senate, a house majority, and a majority on the Supreme Court. What did that afford us? A right wing healthcare policy.

So if by some miracle half the Court dies and the Dems have monumental victories in the midterms, we will still get nothing.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27797399 - 05/29/22 08:23 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

You're probably right. It just seems like at some point there will be enough pressure for some fragment of gun control. But slippery slope so probably not.

I read a few days ago Pelosi was backing some anti-abortion candidate over a pro-choice opponent. They're going to have to a better job of pretending.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27797418 - 05/29/22 08:42 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Again, we Americans must just be racially predisposed to shooting each other. We must be inherently more violent than normal people.




Americans aren't a race, they are a loosely assembled cultural group.

Like Enlil said before, your group of cultures is very competitive, also, you glorify wealth and power over personal integrity. Americans have a combination of glorifying the winner and disparaging the loser.

Its very American to dehumanize and withhold basic human consideration to those not of your choosing.

In discussion, everything the opponent says must be destroyed, regardless of whether some of the opponents points are correct and whether the tactics you use have any other merit than opposing.

You're a Total War kind of people.

Its really not strange you have so many people acting like its the zombie apocalypse, in fact its strange it doesnt happen more often - yet.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27797480 - 05/29/22 09:37 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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You're probably right. It just seems like at some point there will be enough pressure for some fragment of gun control. But slippery slope so probably not.

I read a few days ago Pelosi was backing some anti-abortion candidate over a pro-choice opponent. They're going to have to a better job of pretending.




Yeah the guy ended up winning by 175 votes, Democratic leadership crushed the pro choice candidate for….reasons.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27798823 - 05/30/22 09:29 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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This isn't a universal problem. This is a problem that happens entirely within the US.




Americans refuse to consider that embracing a big cultural "melting pot" is clearly a big failure. Most Americans refuse to accept this fact (or make irrelevant excuses for it) and refuse to even consider why a culture of forced diversity causes massive negative repercussions.  Heavenly ideals and nature often are not on the same page.

Many liberal European countries don't embrace the idea of the melting pot and forced diversity to the extent the US does.  Again, there are huge consequences for this, but most people refuse to even consider it.  Because in America we practically worship the idea of the melting pot. It's like a religion here.

Yeah yeah - I must be a racist white supremacist cult member for considering such ideas.

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Re: Another shooting [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27798848 - 05/30/22 09:52 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

"forced diversity" :burke:

Is that what you folks call it when you have to see someone who doesn't look like they're related to you on the street?


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Re: Another shooting [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27798875 - 05/30/22 10:15 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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This isn't a universal problem. This is a problem that happens entirely within the US.




Americans refuse to consider that embracing a big cultural "melting pot" is clearly a big failure. Most Americans refuse to accept this fact (or make irrelevant excuses for it) and refuse to even consider why a culture of forced diversity causes massive negative repercussions.  Heavenly ideals and nature often are not on the same page.

Many liberal European countries don't embrace the idea of the melting pot and forced diversity to the extent the US does.  Again, there are huge consequences for this, but most people refuse to even consider it.  Because in America we practically worship the idea of the melting pot. It's like a religion here.

Yeah yeah - I must be a racist white supremacist cult member for considering such ideas.




Most other countries are a lot more diverse than the US. Have you ever been to Europe?

It’s the FUCKING GUNS. What the is wrong with you people? It’s this desperate search for any excuse but the actual reason. The denial is astounding.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27799294 - 05/30/22 04:54 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Yeah yeah - I must be a racist white supremacist cult member for considering such ideas.





Nah you were like that long before you said this. You are just consistently intimately associated with white supremacist talking points.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27799489 - 05/30/22 07:55 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

After the shooting ,weapons manufacturers stocks skyrocketed ,and ,so many members of Congress both Dem.and Rep.received a big payout as stockholders. They made money from the shooting thru Americans panic purchasing of arms.
We need this to change , our elected officials shouldn’t be able to profit from the companies whose policy they have jurisdiction over.
After an event of unspeakable horror a weapons purchases is on many American mind , this is terrifying. A paradigm shift is in order ostracizing weapons culture and shunning violence in entertainment. Put shit in , shit comes out  let’s reverse that trend and fill our lives with love
I pray for the little ones and as a parent of two girls my heart goes out to all to who lost a loved one. I pray for you.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Psilimax]
    #27799542 - 05/30/22 08:50 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

How many democrats are shareholders in gun companies? Lol


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Re: Another shooting [Re: koods]
    #27800150 - 05/31/22 11:08 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I probably have some investments in weapons manufacturers, or weapon manufacture-adjacent industries.

So, technically speaking, I should celebrate shootings. Every child shot represents a bullet sold, a profit made, and a stock price edging up ever so slightly, cementing my financial future.

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Re: Another shooting [Re: Kryptos]
    #27800156 - 05/31/22 11:12 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Every child killed is one less consumer to buy a gun, though.  We need them shot but not killed, that way they will want to buy guns so as not to be shot again.


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Re: Another shooting [Re: Enlil]
    #27800160 - 05/31/22 11:14 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Shareholder capitalism doesn't give a fuck about next year, shareholder capitalism only cares about today.

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