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Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail?
#27791899 - 05/25/22 07:36 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just want to know about the legality of sending mycelium for actives through the mail in US.
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: sbkn]
#27791914 - 05/25/22 07:47 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Illegal. But does that stop private trades? Not that anyone on this board would do that. It's 100% legal to send spores though unless you live in California, Idaho or Georgia. Spores aren't mycelium.
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: MTZ]
#27791943 - 05/25/22 08:03 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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alright that's what I thought just double checking
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: sbkn]
#27791955 - 05/25/22 08:16 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm going to thread jack you since you already got you answer and this is related..
 I know that receiving spores in the mail is legal, same with sending.. my question is: is there a higher degree of risk when it comes to sending vs receiving spores in the mail.. My logic is that if you have the ability to produce spores, to take a print or a swab, you would obviously need to be in possession of sporelating fruits at some point. So, does this logic create any risk of a confiscated spore delivery being used as probable cause to search for an active grow? Have there been any known cases of this happening?
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: Rotnpins]
#27791976 - 05/25/22 08:34 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Feels like this logic only applies if you send the outgoing prints from your home, write your actual return address on the envelope, and a postal official pays attention.
Problem is probably solved if you take outgoing mail to the post office or a dropbox. And donโt write your real return address on the envelope.
If all of that is handled, thereโs more risk in receiving the print than sending.
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: Rotnpins] 2
#27792032 - 05/25/22 09:08 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rotnpins said: I'm going to thread jack you since you already got you answer and this is related..
 I know that receiving spores in the mail is legal, same with sending.. my question is: is there a higher degree of risk when it comes to sending vs receiving spores in the mail.. My logic is that if you have the ability to produce spores, to take a print or a swab, you would obviously need to be in possession of sporelating fruits at some point. So, does this logic create any risk of a confiscated spore delivery being used as probable cause to search for an active grow? Have there been any known cases of this happening?
I don't know what you're talking about officer. I, as a microscopy enthusiast, bought in bulk so I could share with my fellow microscopy enthusiasts.
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: SirPsycho]
#27792034 - 05/25/22 09:09 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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And just like that they beat the federal case.
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: Screwup] 2
#27792493 - 05/25/22 03:20 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Reality check:
US Postal Inspectors mostly respond to complaints and leads. Most of their job deals with mail fraud. Then shit like guns, explosives, letter bombs, etc. The legal standard for going through peoples' mail is much higher than for packages sent through UPS or Fed Ex. Parcels sent through USPS do have a lower legal threshold for inspection than letters.
People mail large amounts of recognizable drugs all the damn time- weed, coke, heroin, fentanyl, you name it. Most of them get away with it.
Nobody's looking for your legal spore swabs or technically illegal mycelial cultures. Nobody's gonna waste time and money testing that shit, anyway, unless you're on their radar for some other reason. Spore vendors operate openly online without issue. There are people selling colonized plates on etsy now (not a great idea to me, but still.)
If you were to get hemmed up, though,the whole "I worked out this elaborate loophole or some sort of plausible deniability" schtick ain't gonna amount to shit in the actual legal system. All that crap is right up there with "a cop has to tell you they're a cop" and the sovereign cituzen movement. Just be discrete, don't be a scumbag in other aspects of your life, keep your damn mouth shut if things get weird, and get a lawyer if you get charged.
In my opinion, it's on the same level as taking home-made weed cookies through TSA. Nobody really has time to think about your hippie shit. They're busy doing actual security work.
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: B Traven] 2
#27792504 - 05/25/22 03:32 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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 the amount of drugs that get posted every day would blow your mind
like Hedburg said "I love my Fed-Ex guys because he's a drug dealer and he don't even know it... And he's always on time"
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: Rotnpins]
#27792513 - 05/25/22 03:41 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rotnpins said: So, does this logic create any risk of a confiscated spore delivery being used as probable cause to search for an active grow? Have there been any known cases of this happening?
The only thing I'm aware of is the late great Psilocybe Fanaticus, real name Robert McPherson, the inventor of PF tek. He got raided by the DEA about 20 years ago. He had an ad in High Times, and sold spore syringes which came with an instruction booklet. According to the DEA, it was the instruction booklet that mattered. They compared it to someone sending all of the ingredients to make meth, along with the instructions to do so. Apparently, he ended up on their radar just because there were so many spun-out wookies fucking up the mailing address or trying to be slick in some way, which led to random people getting "syringes of drugs" in their mail and calling the postal inspectors. Finally, the DEA got involved and set up a "sting:" the ordered a syringe and followed the instructions to grow out shrooms, then tested them.
Somewhere around here, or definitely elsewhere online, there should still be his lengthy first-hand account of the whole affair. It's pretty wild. They went in, guns blazing (metaphorically, not literally), and then basically looked around and went, oh, this is rather anti-climactic. The judge was more curious than anything else. I think he did like a year or so of house arrest.
Anyway, that whole situation is, I believe, the reason that spores are now strictly sold only for microscopy.
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: sbkn] 1
#27792530 - 05/25/22 03:54 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes
but it's not illegal to send a plate of "oyster" mycelium in the mail
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: Infinite Monkeys]
#27792634 - 05/25/22 05:28 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Infinite Monkeys said: Yes
but it's not illegal to send a plate of "oyster" mycelium in the mail
True.. idk why I hadn't thought of that.. well, I guess I've never really put much thought to mycelium in the mail.. but if I ever do send some, I'll be sure to send "P. Ostreatus"
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: Rotnpins]
#27792646 - 05/25/22 05:42 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I was moving across the country I shipped about 8 qts of dried mush in glass qt jars to myself because I was flying.
When I received the box it was all fucked up and taped back together. A couple jars were broken and mush everywhere
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: san pedro guy] 1
#27792657 - 05/25/22 05:53 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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As has been said, yes, active mycelium is technically illegal. The likelihood of getting busted or facing serious charges is nearly negligible though
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: Infinite Monkeys] 1
#27792671 - 05/25/22 06:06 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Infinite Monkeys said: Yes
but it's not illegal to send a plate of "oyster" mycelium in the mail
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: SirPsycho]
#27792687 - 05/25/22 06:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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someone here taught me it is also not illegal to send one or two dried out grains in a sterile container
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: san pedro guy] 2
#27792724 - 05/25/22 06:43 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you want to get really sneaky about it, you can get invoice templates online (Like this one for example) and put a local mushroom farm logo and fill in all the correct blanks with oyster or reishi or what have you and make it impossible to decipher that itโs not what the invoice says it is without extensive testing.. throw their return address on it.. no one will fuck with it
Or even local grain farm โthank you for ordering a sample of our rye berriesโ. Put a little note at the bottom of the invoice โif grains appear to be moldy, please dispose of immediately and contact one of our team specialistโsโ
Thereโs zero risk to the sender.. just wear gloves/wipe everything clean or buy new and never touch without gloves on and drop in a random blue bin
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Re: Is it illegal to send mycelium for an active psilocybe through the mail? [Re: Infinite Monkeys]
#27792765 - 05/25/22 07:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Infinite Monkeys said: Yes
but it's not illegal to send a plate of "oyster" mycelium in the mail
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