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Re: Bird food as nutritive source
    #277865 - 03/24/01 12:00 PM (23 years, 2 months ago)

I am very new to the cultivation world, but I hope to be a very active member. Although, I can't tell you the best way to cultivate shrooms yet I can tell you I have a relatively substantial chemsitry backgroud and here is what I know from that stand point. It appears that The myclieum of this wonderful grouping of shroomies thrive on many of the same foods as the Penicilium organism. This would mean you can look for any substrate which offers the nutrients you are looking for. In particular: A high content in vitamins and minerals associated with the BREAD and CEREAL groups of foods. This would include almost any grain high in B-Complex vitamins, Riboflavin, Floic acid, Niacin, etc. GRAINS: Rye, millet, wheat, rice, amaranth, maze, flax, and the like. If TOTAL cereal didn't have preservatives in it, it would probably be the ideal food source. Are you seeing a pattern? Back to your specific question of bird seed, As you will see, finch seed has very few ingrediants (if any) other than grain. Whereas, many foods for other types of birds start having alot of sunflower seeds and nuts etc in them. The fat and oils from nuts and sunflower seeds may diminish (this is speculation) the myclieum's ability to consume the parts of the bird seed mixture it wants. Additionally, the myclieum is not likely to be making any use of these 'other' ingrediants in the mixture, so why have them taking up space. Or even more importantly, offering food for contams that thrive on different types of food than the Ps. Myclieum do.

p.s. One note to consider on the nature of Cow Dung. Cows consume a huge amount of food compared to what there bodies are able to use, just to get enough of the few things they really need. In doing this, thier poo is very high in leftover nutrition (to the right recipient) Cows, eat grains and grass, There bodies could not possibly absorb all the B vitamins and carbs from all that they eat. So when they poo, the material is 'spent' as far as the cow is concerned, but very high in lovely nutrition for our fungi friends.

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Re: Bird food as nutritive source [Re: TrippinRhino]
    #277978 - 03/24/01 01:43 PM (23 years, 2 months ago)

Hi TrippinRhino,
welcome to the forum. You're just the kind of person I would very much enjoy chatting with, with your knowledge of chemistry and all. The information you posted regarding the kind of food that this mycilium would be most likely to utilize was fascinating!
May I ask where did you come by this information? Is there a site that a person may access? I would love to see it.
If not, Please post more of it. Or if you feel comfortable , e-mail me directly. I am not an expert by any means, but my llama Hercules *wink-wink* has been cultivating all winter. You may contact me at //Maytree.r-k.rules@hushmail.com//. If you are so inclined perhaps you could get yourself an e-mail account with hushmail also. I beleive it is simply //www.hushmail.com// If that is not correct and you are interested, contact me here. And please, post more of that fascinating information. Good luck, Rxwoman.

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Re: Bird food as nutritive source [Re: TrippinRhino]
    #278517 - 03/25/01 01:32 PM (23 years, 2 months ago)

Welkommen, TR

Some other additions to your points; Remember that it's more than raw nutrition-- texture and microclimate [influenced by water content, non-nutritive supplements] play a huge role. I can't tell you how many trays I've blown because of incorrect moisture, texturing of the 'bulk' substrate. I'd imagine it would take some clever vermiculte teks to work with Total cereal ;)
Another reason good cow shit is favorable is that the bacteria within the cow's gut has been purposefully mixed at a nice warm temperature with all this grain and grass; Not much of a foothold left for other bacteria after it shoots out the anus. The cow itself can only digest a tiny portion of what it eats, it relies on a 5 stage composting system [is it 4 or 5 stomachs, I can't remember]. But you are right, it is nonetheless a very inefficient metabolic machine when fed high calorie grains [and brains in the UK! [sorry chaps]].
Subsequent incubation of the pie in the nice warm sun promotes some aerobic actinomycetes; once their activity is established, the available foothold for mold is substantially reduced.
But even a perfectly fermented turd will contaminate if conditions, water content, texture are too far off.
As someone else posted, the shit from dairy cows is different from beef cattle. Different metabolic machines. I'm suspecting this to be part of the reason no one seems to have much success with Wallmart-type 'steer manure'-- beef cattle.

The area of culture nutrition that I'd like to hear about is the role of micro/trace nutrients. Esp. calcium, sulfur
I have this stuff from my uncle, a dude named Dr. Joel Wallach peddles it as a complete trace element supplement formula [colloidal minerals from humic shale wash]. Might be worth a shot;

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