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SwabMarley
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Not from the LAGM tub. Had 2 of them and nada. Went back to the germ plate and here we are again with attempt number 2. If this doesn’t work then I go back to my last swab and pray to the mushroom gods!
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Twistedzombie66
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Damn bud. Thats a sad story. I wish ya the best of luck!!!
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All of the nat tubs I’ve fruited have looked pretty funky by cube standards. Just bruising and metabolites, but it still looks terrible lol. I’ve about decided that my cultures have to bruise and make a few metabolites before they pin. If your surface conditions look fine all you can do is wait. Also, more fae is always good if your conditions can stand it without drying out. All that said, just let it rock unless you see obvious signs of contamination like trich or pin mold…..every culture is different!
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I suspect the mushroom gods made nats so we wouldn't be bored...
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BlueAndOrange
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Ok, I just finished reading this whole thread, and have read other posts about growing nats. I’m about to take my first nat spores to agar and plan to try and grow some. My only grow ever is GT mss -> agar -> rye berry quarts -> 5 Cvg shoeboxes and 5 coir only shoeboxes. I’m on my second flush of boxes 1-5 and first flush of 6-10. Went 10-10 with no contams so far.
So despite reading everything, I’m still not sure my best plan fo grow these nats. I see I want a high bulk ratio. Maybe as high as 5 or 6 to 1. So that rules out shoeboxes. What about mini-monos? Full size monos?
I like mini monos and shoeboxes as they don’t seem to need liners. My shoeboxes definitely didn’t. Only 2 side pins across 10 tubs and they harvested healthy.
So, my plan was some mini monos with no liners and 1:5 or 1:6 ratio of Cvg or coir with a 1” layer of pseudo-casing.
Is this my best plan? Do I ignore it or need to mist it?
Reading the trip reports has me very excited to try these things. I’m very excited for this grow.
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odissey
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Myc Hunt said: Not from the LAGM tub. Had 2 of them and nada. Went back to the germ plate and here we are again with attempt number 2. If this doesn’t work then I go back to my last swab and pray to the mushroom gods!
Do you want a fresh print? Here is my current tub:
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: odissey]
#27783774 - 05/19/22 02:56 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Myc Hunt said: Not from the LAGM tub. Had 2 of them and nada. Went back to the germ plate and here we are again with attempt number 2. If this doesn’t work then I go back to my last swab and pray to the mushroom gods!
Do you want a fresh print? Here is my current tub:

Looking good oddisey! If you do have a print that would be much better than fucking with a swab. Shoot me a 
I have some surplus swabs laying about that I could trade you for sure! Appreciate it bud.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: SwabMarley] 1
#27783790 - 05/19/22 04:14 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Myc Hunt said:
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odissey said:
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Myc Hunt said: Not from the LAGM tub. Had 2 of them and nada. Went back to the germ plate and here we are again with attempt number 2. If this doesn’t work then I go back to my last swab and pray to the mushroom gods!
Do you want a fresh print? Here is my current tub:

Looking good oddisey! If you do have a print that would be much better than fucking with a swab. Shoot me a 
I have some surplus swabs laying about that I could trade you for sure! Appreciate it bud.
Ofc! Pm me and I will send you the print and maybe some others
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: odissey]
#27783865 - 05/19/22 06:01 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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BlueAndOrange said: So despite reading everything, I’m still not sure my best plan fo grow these nats. I see I want a high bulk ratio. Maybe as high as 5 or 6 to 1. So that rules out shoeboxes. What about mini-monos? Full size monos?
I like mini monos and shoeboxes as they don’t seem to need liners. My shoeboxes definitely didn’t. Only 2 side pins across 10 tubs and they harvested healthy.
So, my plan was some mini monos with no liners and 1:5 or 1:6 ratio of Cvg or coir with a 1” layer of pseudo-casing.
Is this my best plan? Do I ignore it or need to mist it?
Reading the trip reports has me very excited to try these things. I’m very excited for this grow.
I grew all mine earlier this year in shoeboxes with a 1:2 ratio, CV, a 1/4" pseudo-casing, set and forget. Literally all I did was dub-tub the ones that wanted to grow high instead of low spaghetti, and I didn't do that until the fruits got high enough to touch the lid. IMO they take longer to fruit than cubes so just have to be patient.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hindsight]
#27783885 - 05/19/22 06:25 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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does the "snakey" appearance happen zo be a general trait? or does differently selected mycelium play a part?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77]
#27783891 - 05/19/22 06:28 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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You can definitely aim for them, i have a clone that produces the snakes regularily and in the same way, no serious overlay. Its been putting out tubs mostly like the ones in 2nd post above us
imo snakes arent super meaty/weighty
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chris77
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smalltalk_canceled said: You can definitely aim for them, i have a clone that produces the snakes regularily and in the same way, no serious overlay. Its been putting out tubs mostly like the ones in 2nd post above us
imo snakes arent super meaty/weighty
interesting. i have put 3 wedges of beautiful rhizomorphic mycelium to grain today.. guess i will wait for them and see this seems to be the most vigorously growing mycelium i have encountered to this point.
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Hindsight
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77]
#27783899 - 05/19/22 06:39 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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chris77 said: does the "snakey" appearance happen zo be a general trait? or does differently selected mycelium play a part?
For me, it was based on genetics alone. I had two Nat prints from two different sources. I knocked up a lot of germination plates with those two prints, then did transfers to T2, selecting various different types/looks of mycelium to transfer, but not what I would call trying to isolate anything - most of the T2 plates still had several sectors. Took those T2s to grain and then spawned to shoeboxes - same exact process. Results were quite varied, as shown above. A page or two back I posted what those tubs looked like from a pre-fruiting surface standpoint. All quite varied as well. I have only grown out 1 clone culture of Nats and it performed poorly and didn't look much like the source, but there might have been some contamination issues with that one. I need to try again but just have too many other things growing now.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hindsight]
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smalltalk_canceled said: You can definitely aim for them, i have a clone that produces the snakes regularily and in the same way, no serious overlay. Its been putting out tubs mostly like the ones in 2nd post above us
imo snakes arent super meaty/weighty
interesting. i have put 3 wedges of beautiful rhizomorphic mycelium to grain today.. guess i will wait for them and see this seems to be the most vigorously growing mycelium i have encountered to this point.Quote:
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chris77 said: does the "snakey" appearance happen zo be a general trait? or does differently selected mycelium play a part?
For me, it was based on genetics alone. I had two Nat prints from two different sources. I knocked up a lot of germination plates with those two prints, then did transfers to T2, selecting various different types/looks of mycelium to transfer, but not what I would call trying to isolate anything - most of the T2 plates still had several sectors. Took those T2s to grain and then spawned to shoeboxes - same exact process. Results were quite varied, as shown above. A page or two back I posted what those tubs looked like from a pre-fruiting surface standpoint. All quite varied as well. I have only grown out 1 clone culture of Nats and it performed poorly and didn't look much like the source, but there might have been some contamination issues with that one. I need to try again but just have too many other things growing now.
I'm intrigued. as others have stated, genetic variability seems to be immense in this species..
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: chris77]
#27784017 - 05/19/22 08:53 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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This is exactly what mine did. I threw it out when the puddles started getting really big and gnats found their way in.
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sandman420
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Those metabolites are interesting. It's such a large quantity. I wonder if it has any medical or other applications.
Would be cool to get a chemical analysis done. There's obviously several.
Edited by sandman420 (05/19/22 09:28 AM)
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Love how the caps turn green. Had another go with them last night.These little ugly snakes are quite potent.
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SwabMarley
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sandman420 said: Those metabolites are interesting. It's such a large quantity. I wonder if it has any medical or other applications.
Would be cool to get a chemical analysis done. There's obviously several.
Funny you should say that because despite its looks, it didn’t smell bad, it almost smelt ‘medical’ like a faint TCP kind of odour to it.
@Doc Have you got them to fruit since?
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MysticMycologist said: Love how the caps turn green. Had another go with them last night.These little ugly snakes are quite potent.

Nice, I havent gotten this so far. Are they much more potent than regular pheno?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Adas] 2
#27784103 - 05/19/22 10:35 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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These are the only Nats I have tried, but they are stronger than regular cubes. I’d like to compare them to PE potency, but the trip is so different that it doesn’t compare well. 2.5 grams dry each had us vibing for hours last night though. Stumbling around and laughing/crying. To me, it is a very body oriented trip with little confusion and light on the visuals. Waves of euphoria at times. While with PE the come up is always very uncomfortable and anxious for me.
I have cloned the three largest, greenest ones, and I’m looking forward to running more tubs.
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