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Asante
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Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident?
#27781752 - 05/17/22 03:18 PM (2 years, 2 days ago) |
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Right-wing politics is generally defined by support of the view that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable.
Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident?
What's the natural order for you?
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: Asante]
#27782464 - 05/18/22 04:07 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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I can't hear you?
Who are the Ups and the Downs?
Classify the hierarchy of your right wing ideology.
Is it about wealth, class, race, religion?
All of them?
is this a case of "he's trying to make us look bad by having us share our sincere beliefs"?
I just want clarity.
The left is all about a level playing field, the right is about a hierarchy, we get what a level playing field means, tell us more about the hierarcy you envision.
Who's the pharaoh and who lugs the stones in your dynasty?
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: Asante] 1
#27782560 - 05/18/22 06:32 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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I tried this once with a “explain your political beliefs” thread, and not a single conservative responded lol. Don’t take it personally they just can’t explain themselves.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27782605 - 05/18/22 07:28 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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I believe in complete equality where each uses their strong points to cover for each others weak points, with one for all and all for one.
Why is it so hard to share your heartfelt beliefs if you are rightwing?
Lay it out for us guys.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: Asante]
#27782645 - 05/18/22 07:59 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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Left, Right what a joke. Do these terms mean anything any more. Seems to me the left are a bunch of extreme right wing assholes. We should first ask the left which hierarchies they hold self-evident if an honest discussion is to be had. Beliefs are one thing, what actually works out in practice is often quiet another.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: Asante] 1
#27782671 - 05/18/22 08:17 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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See what I mean
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27782753 - 05/18/22 08:56 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: See what I mean
I'm sorry but I neither self-identify as a right-winger answering the question nor as a conservative. (Ha Ha, what the fuck is being conserved) You certainly seem to have erred in assuming what my political position is.
Take my post as being neither left nor right. (Politics these days are a joke anyway) I hope your not implying that because I question, that makes me right-wing because your post could be interpreted that way.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: mycot]
#27782805 - 05/18/22 10:14 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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mycot said: Left, Right what a joke. Do these terms mean anything any more.
OK, if you don't know what they mean:
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Right-wing politics is generally defined by support of the view that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics, authority or tradition.[4]: 693, 721 [5][6][7][8][9] Hierarchy and inequality may be seen as natural results of traditional social differences[10][11] or competition in market economies
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Left-wing politics is the support of social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition of social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] Left-wing politics typically involve a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.[1] According to emeritus professor of economics Barry Clark, left-wing supporters "claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminated.
Now you know left from right.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: mycot] 1
#27782812 - 05/18/22 10:17 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: See what I mean
I'm sorry but I neither self-identify as a right-winger answering the question nor as a conservative.
Every conservative says some version of this.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: Asante] 1
#27782858 - 05/18/22 11:07 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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Thank you Asante for your post and for those definitions which I think are quite well written. When I said "Left, Right what a joke. Do these terms mean anything any more." I meant in the context of modern and especially US politics, not that I don't have an idea of what left and right may mean. To clarify my political position may be best described as anarchist and since there is no such thing as right-wing anarchism (despite opinions to the contrary) I could also be described as a lefty.
In the description of Left-wing politics, those are noble ideals without doubt. But that is not what I see in the American left. Instead I see just another political institution totally compromised by money power making all those ideals fully impossible. So things are going backwards and inequality grows even during periods when the left has been in power.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27782871 - 05/18/22 11:21 AM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Every conservative says some version of this.
Stop projecting shit. If you want to call me conservative, then you are going to have to explain what makes you believe that, instead of making the assertion without anything at all to back it up.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: mycot] 1
#27783045 - 05/18/22 02:03 PM (2 years, 1 day ago) |
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The Democrats are further to the right than Hitler, and the Republicans a bit further out.
To puppets on the hands of the real owners of the country, the Oligarchy.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: mycot]
#27783607 - 05/18/22 09:49 PM (2 years, 20 hours ago) |
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mycot said:
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The Ecstatic said: Every conservative says some version of this.
Stop projecting shit. If you want to call me conservative, then you are going to have to explain what makes you believe that, instead of making the assertion without anything at all to back it up.
I’m making an assumption. Go ahead and tell us all your political beliefs so we can clear this up.
I’m not projecting at all, either, I’m sure everyone who posts here could tell you what my political beliefs are.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: Asante]
#27783608 - 05/18/22 09:50 PM (2 years, 20 hours ago) |
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Asante said: The Democrats are further to the right than Hitler, and the Republicans a bit further out.
Curious what you’re basing this claim on.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27783728 - 05/19/22 01:09 AM (2 years, 16 hours ago) |
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Asante said: The Democrats are further to the right than Hitler, and the Republicans a bit further out.
To puppets on the hands of the real owners of the country, the Oligarchy.
With some minor qualification, I fully agree.
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The Ecstatic said: I’m making an assumption.
Fair enough. I did however make one post that declared in a round about way that your assumption was incorrect. Assumptions are very often incorrect and because of this do not provide a good basis in debate. I figure that you of all people understands this. One can split hairs but you understand what I mean.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27783793 - 05/19/22 04:24 AM (2 years, 13 hours ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: I tried this once with a “explain your political beliefs” thread, and not a single conservative responded lol. Don’t take it personally they just can’t explain themselves.
Maybe no conservative's care to respond to leftist crazies. I mean whats the point? Most of the leftist i know have been in the system there entire lives and know nothing else. They are either getting a free ride or work for the gov programs that manage those freeloaders. People on the right have jobs and work for a living and dont care to participant nor do we want to pay for them programs.
Get a fucking job and pay your own way threw life is what the people on the right are saying.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: mycot]
#27783801 - 05/19/22 04:40 AM (2 years, 13 hours ago) |
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I'm a right winger who is happy to explain the truth to you.
The hierarchy, at the top, is composed of the intellgencia, or the thinkers that live in harmony with nature. They are the most powerful even though their ideas are often socially repugnant to the masses.
Bellow them, cultures which live in harmony with nature, like the Amish, who by sheer obedience to conservatism rather than intellectual discourse, have come to retain power.
Below them, social conservatives, who don't live in harmony with nature but do seek social harmony with regards to the nuclear family, also usually retaining strength through religions adherence.
Below them, people whose worldview is neither harmonious with nature nor conducive to the harmony of the nuclear family, anarchists.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27783881 - 05/19/22 06:23 AM (2 years, 11 hours ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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Asante said: The Democrats are further to the right than Hitler, and the Republicans a bit further out.
Curious what you’re basing this claim on.
There is talk that is surprisingly like full-on socialism in the Dem party and an talk of full on ethnic cleansing fascism in the Rep party., but factually the actual policies the parties put out are all in the upper right quadrant of the political compass, and not that far apart either.
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: Hartford]
#27783884 - 05/19/22 06:24 AM (2 years, 11 hours ago) |
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The hierarchy, at the top, is composed of the intellgencia, or the thinkers that live in harmony with nature..
Can you name 10 so I can get an idea?
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Re: Rightwingers: which Hierarchies do you hold Self Evident? [Re: mycot]
#27783905 - 05/19/22 06:45 AM (2 years, 11 hours ago) |
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Asante said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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Asante said: The Democrats are further to the right than Hitler, and the Republicans a bit further out.
Curious what you’re basing this claim on.
There is talk that is surprisingly like full-on socialism in the Dem party and an talk of full on ethnic cleansing fascism in the Rep party., but factually the actual policies the parties put out are all in the upper right quadrant of the political compass, and not that far apart either.
That I agree with, but I’m not sure either are to the right of the embodiment of fascism: Adolf Hitler.
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mycot said:
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Asante said: The Democrats are further to the right than Hitler, and the Republicans a bit further out.
To puppets on the hands of the real owners of the country, the Oligarchy.
With some minor qualification, I fully agree.
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The Ecstatic said: I’m making an assumption.
Fair enough. I did however make one post that declared in a round about way that your assumption was incorrect. Assumptions are very often incorrect and because of this do not provide a good basis in debate. I figure that you of all people understands this. One can split hairs but you understand what I mean.
Sure sure, yeah, but you still haven’t explained your beliefs and I’m beginning to wonder why.
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