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Objectivity vs. Subjectivity
    #27779558 - 05/16/22 01:00 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

I'm sure this topic may have been talked to death at one point previously so I just have this question.

In your daily life, do you consider yourself more objective or subjective?


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: r3volution.gurl] * 1
    #27779804 - 05/16/22 06:13 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

100% subjective with an objective sense of subjectivity


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27779819 - 05/16/22 06:50 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

For sure, the subjective is based on the objective.

Out in the objective "jungle" comes a new brain which is subjective.


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: Pinkerton]
    #27780017 - 05/16/22 11:24 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Don't really think anyone is objective. Not sure I even believe there to be an objective POV.


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: NakedNexus]
    #27780050 - 05/16/22 12:07 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

since it is a point of view, it can be totally objective and yet still differ from the view at other points.
interpretation or reflexive perception however is entirely subjective.


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27780059 - 05/16/22 12:25 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Seems like objectivity is simply what can be measured materially; sense perceptions. Subjectivity is the perception of thoughts, passions, and anything that cannot be apprehended with a tape measurer. So a point of view to the extent that it is vision through the eyeball and into the world is objective. The corresponding passion, or feeling, that is perceived privately is subjective. It can be expressed or talked about and whatever this amounts to is objective.


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #27780300 - 05/16/22 03:45 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

In the past I've likened logic to "a tool one can use in an illogical world". Seems the same with objectivity.

I don't know how to rate myself as I find myself experiencing a mix of objectivity and subjectivity. I think when it comes to the big questions, purpose etc. it's all subjective so again, objectivity is a tool in my subjective world. I try to use it as much as possible.


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #27780317 - 05/16/22 04:05 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Logic can be defined as:

    “The study of truths based completely on the meanings of the terms they contain.”

Logic is a process for making a conclusion and a tool you can use.

    The foundation of a logical argument is its proposition, or statement.
    The proposition is either accurate (true) or not accurate (false).
    Premises are the propositions used to build the argument.
    The argument is then built on premises.
    Then an inference is made from the premises.
    Finally, a conclusion is drawn.



so basically sticking with truths and clarity one makes an inference (a slight departure from the bed of truth and definition)
then amazingly a conclusion is drawn and those following go "wow!"

this is white magic.


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27782597 - 05/18/22 09:20 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
Logic can be defined as:

    “The study of truths based completely on the meanings of the terms they contain.”

Logic is a process for making a conclusion and a tool you can use.

    The foundation of a logical argument is its proposition, or statement.
    The proposition is either accurate (true) or not accurate (false).
    Premises are the propositions used to build the argument.
    The argument is then built on premises.
    Then an inference is made from the premises.
    Finally, a conclusion is drawn.



so basically sticking with truths and clarity one makes an inference (a slight departure from the bed of truth and definition)
then amazingly a conclusion is drawn and those following go "wow!"

this is white magic.




Can we be friends?
I try to always do this: be simple, because no matter what one says, everyone will perceive it a different way.
Also,
did you see my post?(about 4-fold logic)?


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[quote]Buster_Brown said:
Word game: "Walking on the waves she came"
I guess we will see if Malin can walk on these troubled waters.[/quote]
[quote]Malin said:
Yea I'm with you Buster and thank you so much. When I was 13, 21 years ago I heard it as- "Walking on the waves Chicane." Of course that's not a word. Staring as she my na-ame. Oh I can't get it out of my head... It was definitely one of my favorites. I had a good 10 albums or so (by that band) Though I was poor, my friend gave them to me.[/quote]


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: Malin]
    #27782686 - 05/18/22 10:21 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Quote:

Malin said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
Logic can be defined as:

    “The study of truths based completely on the meanings of the terms they contain.”

Logic is a process for making a conclusion and a tool you can use.

    The foundation of a logical argument is its proposition, or statement.
    The proposition is either accurate (true) or not accurate (false).
    Premises are the propositions used to build the argument.
    The argument is then built on premises.
    Then an inference is made from the premises.
    Finally, a conclusion is drawn.



so basically sticking with truths and clarity one makes an inference (a slight departure from the bed of truth and definition)
then amazingly a conclusion is drawn and those following go "wow!"

this is white magic.




Can we be friends?
I try to always do this: be simple, because no matter what one says, everyone will perceive it a different way.
Also,
did you see my post?(about 4-fold logic)?



do you mean this one?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27781531#27781531
sorry no, I do not go to spiritualism and mysticism.
the razors there are too dull.


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27782698 - 05/18/22 10:26 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Fair enough! :smile:


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[quote]Buster_Brown said:
Word game: "Walking on the waves she came"
I guess we will see if Malin can walk on these troubled waters.[/quote]
[quote]Malin said:
Yea I'm with you Buster and thank you so much. When I was 13, 21 years ago I heard it as- "Walking on the waves Chicane." Of course that's not a word. Staring as she my na-ame. Oh I can't get it out of my head... It was definitely one of my favorites. I had a good 10 albums or so (by that band) Though I was poor, my friend gave them to me.[/quote]


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27787002 - 05/21/22 04:32 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

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r3volution.gurl said:
I'm sure this topic may have been talked to death at one point previously so I just have this question.

In your daily life, do you consider yourself more objective or subjective?




.  Ask yourself this question when you are experiencing strong physical pain. You might learn some 'things'.


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: laughingdog]
    #27787063 - 05/21/22 05:30 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

Makes no sense to me, objective, subjective, sub lower, jig tiff, object noun artifact thing, joke jec jug ...

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so the way i see it, you are calling someone a lier to say they are subjective, an introvert with delusions that reality is holographically about them?

and objectivety means resonant idol aka god,

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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: rawe]
    #27787158 - 05/21/22 06:54 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

tripping is ok


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: r3volution.gurl]
    #27788160 - 05/22/22 02:52 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

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r3volution.gurl said:
I'm sure this topic may have been talked to death at one point previously so I just have this question.

In your daily life, do you consider yourself more objective or subjective?





.  Of course all our perceptions are subjective. This is emphasized by color blindness, synesthesia and so on.

.  And most folks are of the same religion as their parents, so it goes beyond just perceptions, and we can see just from this simple example, that personality is affected as well.
.  Likewise any therapist or psychologist can confirm that subjective past experiences, remembered or not, affect us all; regardless of how objective we think we are.

.  Where some choice comes into play is when we understand 'identification' or taking things personally vs. developing some detachment and a sense of humor, especially in regards to ourselves. And this choice can have a profound effect on how much an individual experiences life as suffering.


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27788203 - 05/22/22 03:26 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
tripping is ok




great redgreenvines
that's great

I would love to watch harry potter tripping
especially with you :heart:


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27788298 - 05/22/22 04:47 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

usually people just go WTF
but friendly life forms are good company.


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27788636 - 05/22/22 09:11 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

I think there is a time for both..

Subjective as a following experiencing of emotions..

Objective about logic and where things belong.. sorting things out..


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27788666 - 05/22/22 09:37 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

isn't objective just the facts that can be observed (i.e. objectively) - logic is something else


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Re: Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27788729 - 05/22/22 10:35 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

Objective is an understanding of things as they are..

Including where they belong.

Therefore logic..

Which is like fitting the pieces together like solving a puzzle requires objectivity..

Also objectivity can mean unbiased..


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