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Re: Grain jars [Re: redcrow] * 3
    #27778883 - 05/15/22 05:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

want solid grain jars for a price we can both agree on... :pm:

fuck it, i'm down to sell picks and shovels at this point :lol:


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Re: Grain jars [Re: redcrow]
    #27779347 - 05/15/22 09:06 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Just to reel this back in on your issue... Time is the most valuable resource.  Save the time and buy the damn jars!!  Lol.  But maybe I missed something here, because I didn't hear you say you were switching from using MSS.  So I think either way, bag or jar will be no different, same results for you. 

MSS into anything can work but the odds are very much against you.  One problem(usually already inside syringe and out of your control before you start), and your whole bag or jar is gone, so we recommend agar.  Screw the cheapo PC and prep up some BRF jars... Tried and true.  You don't need rye or special grains ever, if that's what you're assuming.  Dead set on grains?  You can clean and prep some WBS, and there are ways around a PC, but I'm going to stop myself here, because 1.  MSS gonna do what a MSS gonna do, and 2.  So much of your valuable time has just been wasted reading this...Lol

You knew what you're going to do already before posting!!  And now that I read it again, you didn't ask a question, or even ask for anyone's input... lolol.  Soooo yeaaah.... Funny this all hit me as I'm typing it out.  Let's talk more about wasting time!  :laugh2:

For real though: If you specifically want a colonized jar of grains, don't want to make yourself, and only have access to a MSS without using agar - Buy the premade jars!  Sure it's more money, but you outweigh that with time and ease of mind = less stress = win.  Just accept your success:fail ratio will just be unpredictable.  Maybe never works... But maybe crushes it all the time, every jar, from here on out!  :goodluck:

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    #27779464 - 05/15/22 10:02 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Grain jars [Re: redcrow]
    #27779551 - 05/15/22 10:54 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Round these parts, you start a thread and it takes on a life of its own...and remember, at least half the point is just creating something for future people to read when they do a search on this topic. That's part of the reason some of us feel compelled to chime in. There's definitely some mental diarrhea in this thread, though...

For most of us, ordering pre-made jars isn't a less ambitious goal. It's literally spending more on jars than we have to spare, when our hypothetical hourly rate would put us at a much lower figure. It's simply not economical in the long-run. If these places selling pre-sterilized grain get any repeat business at all, then obviously someone's internal economic math works out differently than that. I just doubt you'll find many of those people in this neck of the woods. People who don't have time to make grain jars probably aren't going to be on here discussing the finer points of cultivation.  So yeah, most regular posters aren't going to have much to say about it other than "don't do that."


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Re: Grain jars [Re: TheTimelessDon]
    #27779556 - 05/15/22 10:59 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Just to reel this back in on your issue... Time is the most valuable resource.  Save the time and buy the damn jars!!




How do you count your time, though?
What happens when the jars you ordered fail and you have to order another round?
Do you count downtime, or having a project derailed? Or lost opportunity when you have nothing to eat?

Shit, in my case, were I to decide right now to start ordering pre-made grain, I would waste more time, and feel more stress, agonizing over the details and getting the order placed, then obsessively tracking the package and scheduling a time to inoculate, than I would just making up some grains and getting on with it.


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Re: Grain jars [Re: B Traven]
    #27779824 - 05/16/22 05:04 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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How do you count your time, though?
What happens when the jars you ordered fail and you have to order another round?
Do you count downtime, or having a project derailed? Or lost opportunity when you have nothing to eat?





Exactly the point everyone is trying to make here.  Truth is, almost everyone has tried to find the easiest, fastest way at some point.  I'm willing to bet over 80% of people here started with a kit, or premade bags/jars... Some who still use them and some who don't.  We also know that none of that matters.  Through experience, is the only way you learn that lesson; and it doesn't matter how many threads you read or videos you watch telling you - You're going to do what you have to do to figure it out, because we have to know for ourselves first hand - and just like many questions in life like that, the only thing we really want is that shred of assurance that says everything is going to be ok if we do things our own way, via someone who's been down that road before. 

I value my time and saved a LOT of it by listening to the people here...

I think everyone who's been met with those roadblocks, left with nothing to eat and derailed operations are the ones who want to help the most because we don't want to see this Crow starve, or get derailed.  This Crow is frustrated because they know we all have used them, and can easily reply about our experiences with the premade jars...  and still... we can't. 

So I figured: FLY! :flyhigh: Get the damn jars and hurry the process up, figure it out, and tell us what you find - Because no one in here can stop that from happening anyways... right?

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Go back and really read the whole thread. I simply asked if anyone had experienced any success inoculating commercially prepared grain jars using cleaned up agar plates. That's it, dude. Nothing more nothing less.





Maybe simply? But faaar from clearly...  9/10 people would have to google your words.  I think I'm the only one who read what you said very thoroughly now (I admit that I did get confused at first after reading the other replies - you're already going to use agar with them - so yeah, p.s. IMO jars over bags for many reasons (for what my needs are).  Especially if your running into issues with your bags right now, getting some jars to see how much they improve your quality of life would be an excellent idea.  And truthfully, I would do the exact same thing and buy some pre made jars to see if that's the issue first, before diving into PCing and spending the time to figure out something that might actually end up being a completely different problem in the end.  Reading the post again: YES, clean agar plate to a pre-purchased grain jar trumps over and is 100x better than MSS to any bag with a proven folly record - All day, every day, no questions asked - Doesn't matter who prepped the jars/bags). 

You're obviously intelligent - lord knows "stultifying" isn't an every day word - but not when used in replying to the only person giving you a shred of encouragement to do what you want and you'll be fine.  For the future, understand that if your first two sentences weren't so assumptive to begin with, while pretty much attracting all the comments you didn't want, already expecting to "grok" at them (LOL - That's what that word sounds like!!  I will bet one million myco dollars that 9/10 people read that as a ridiculously negative sentence to kick off your post - I did too until something made me think to google the ways people use - Grok)- I promise you'd received a different outcome.

Everyone is just trying to help others and be of service, not be told our advice just "sucked your enthusiasm out entirely" (Stultifying - Yeah I googled it too for the rest of us! :dancer:)  ... Who says that to people taking time out of our days to try and offer encouragement(or advice, or whatever it is - It's all that we've got to give, and we give it out of love - not good enough as always, ...Dad??)  - ?? Lol.  What's a big ass word for, you better come correct player??  I'll ask your question better, in a new thread for you if you'd like :sun: And I guarantee you'll get the responses you were needing to keep that enthusiastic fire inside you alive! 

Point is, you're smart, and you knew what kind of comments you'd end up getting before you even posted.  Your choice of words says it all - and then your replies - surely you've heard the term self-fulfilling prophecy?  IDK, but this is an online message board, on the world wide web, with internet people of all ages and walks of life.  Just cause actives are grown here, doesn't mean there isn't a young kid growing Lions Mane out here who really thought they could make your day better - And then along comes that grumpy old man, Mr. College-Level-Vocab, talking about the types of "attitudes that makes him grok".  Lol  I know you can see where I'm coming from with all this... and that's what makes this so great.  (and fun right?!)  You don't know who's out there, so play nice maybe?

Ok, thank you for listening.  I felt the need to say all this because I'm noticing a wave of stress and depression that seems to be running rampant all over the place lately.  With it being mental health awareness time ironically too, so if anyone out there needs to vent...PM me!  Just let it all out, I don't know you, and I wont even reply!  hahaha.  People out there are just trying to find shreds of happiness in the oddest of places. 

So now, as you wish Sir, it's dropped!! - I'm confident you'll figure it out by yourself - with your sad, stultified, and grumpy ass..--err--    Ok that wasn't playing nice... I'm sooorry!!!  lololol  Old habits I'm working on... I take it back!!!!  But not badly enough to press backspace.  #lovelife

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Re: Grain jars [Re: redcrow]
    #27779924 - 05/16/22 07:32 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Man you gotta relax.


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Re: Grain jars [Re: Tight Lunchbox]
    #27779943 - 05/16/22 08:07 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

ppl in here trying to write novels and shit.  which i didnt bother to read.

but, again, if anyone wants prepped jars made to order at competitive pricing...:pm:


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Re: Grain jars [Re: LotKid] * 1
    #27779975 - 05/16/22 08:40 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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ppl in here trying to write novels and shit.  which i didnt bother to read.

but, again, if anyone wants prepped jars made to order at competitive pricing...:pm:




Shit
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ppl in here trying to write novels and shit.  which i didnt bother to read.

but, again, if anyone wants prepped jars made to order at competitive pricing...:pm:




If I were in the market for that, you'd be my first choice for sure.

Fuck, I probably would just order millet masters before trying to figure that out again. My first attempt ended in jars of cement porridge. Ok, it's because I bought the wrong kind of millet. But still.


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Re: Grain jars [Re: redcrow]
    #27779990 - 05/16/22 08:52 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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For those of you who are pleased with your Presto's, I am truly happy for you. But for me, once bit, forever shy.




It's a huge company with multiple products, like the same way you might see Wahl clippers at the barber's but they're not the same line as the little cheap-ass personal Wahl clippers that crapped out on me halfway through trimming up my beard, but only after grabbing my skin and giving me razor burn.

Once had a Ford Taurus station wagon that was a total fucking nightmare.

But the new F-150's are still solid.

Presto ain't Chrysler. Maybe Hyundai, but not Chrysler.

The Presto 23 quart pressure canner is a decent and reasonably priced piece of equipment, and will last a long time with a little maintenance and care. It's got a pressure gauge, and will easily run silently at 17 psi with just a little tweaking. You're definitely not getting that kind of volume at that price point anywhere else. I find the price point important, because shit happens and we're all human and I need it to be easily replaceable.


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Re: Grain jars [Re: redcrow]
    #27780154 - 05/16/22 11:50 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Time to close this thread out. Had a very bad day yesterday, and I'm embarrassed that I let it get the better of me and even more ashamed that I vented in public. I do appreciate everyone's input and patience. Sorry I didn't accept it as I should have.

Just one closing thought. Please don't mistake a command of the language for intelligence. A good and very perceptive friend once told me I was the smartest moron he'd ever known. :blush:

Edited by redcrow (05/16/22 11:52 AM)

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Re: Grain jars [Re: redcrow]
    #27780180 - 05/16/22 12:04 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

whoa so many walls of text
anyways good luck op on whatever you decide to do

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