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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: For God, there can't be any good or evil, because everything is God? [Re: syncro]
    #27776502 - 05/14/22 07:29 AM (4 days, 20 hours ago)

for most of us it is just a concept.
what is your concept of nirvana, and what do you mean by alive?


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Re: For God, there can't be any good or evil, because everything is God? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27776523 - 05/14/22 08:04 AM (4 days, 19 hours ago)

concept of nirvana - I suppose most simply I could look at it like levels of stillness, that to the extreme. It seems to cover everything that would otherwise entail some grasping nature.

Alive would be that there is something still there, some kind of wakefulness.


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Re: For God, there can't be any good or evil, because everything is God? [Re: syncro]
    #27776542 - 05/14/22 08:40 AM (4 days, 19 hours ago)

now you have to resolve what is grasping, as in, do you grasp the meaning of the sentence, you read?
is that really different than any grasping that one might think blocks nirvana?
is life ever so still that one is not in some sense grasping?

Could nirvana, perhaps, not be a state, but a way - one in which grasping continues but is helpful rather than harmful?
Maybe that is what an arahat is or a bodhisattva. i.e. not so still, much action and grasping with vigor and compassion.

grasping is like traction, but also it can be sticky if just left to itself.


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Re: For God, there can't be any good or evil, because everything is God? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27776592 - 05/14/22 09:52 AM (4 days, 18 hours ago)

I like it.

Is life ever so still - well, as seen in meditations or other moments can approach that. Say in a sort of revelation or state of awe, it is a suspended state, like what occurs with the breath. Like in the movies when time stops. So much seems associated with sound. Like when under water, or landscape covered with snow absorbing the sound. Even moreso within, sound nature can stop everything.


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Re: For God, there can't be any good or evil, because everything is God? [Re: syncro]
    #27776628 - 05/14/22 10:34 AM (4 days, 17 hours ago)

states are stopped or persisting frames, i.e. sticky.
but every moment has so much change.
a perspective that takes that in fundamentally is not a state, but an attitude and it is subject itself to change.


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Re: For God, there can't be any good or evil, because everything is God? [Re: syncro]
    #27776792 - 05/14/22 01:05 PM (4 days, 14 hours ago)

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syncro said:
:thumbup: I'm just trying to find out if nirvana is alive.




Yes many are hung up on issues of what is life, or its meaning, etc.

One could also ask is the universe alive?
Or, are the motor proteins in living cells alive?

And then consider that everything in the universe is not separate from it !

And that abstractions such as numbers, are not separate from the universe.

When we consider all this, it might seem that our dividing "reality" into what is living and what is not, is artificial.
Or perhaps, such a dichotomy, is only a valid division within
certain contexts? What do you think?

As regards "if nirvana is alive?"; that seems sort of like asking, for example: "Is happiness alive?" or: "Is equanimity alive?" etc.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cell+motor+proteins+



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Re: For God, there can't be any good or evil, because everything is God? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27776937 - 05/14/22 03:24 PM (4 days, 12 hours ago)

context totally


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Re: For God, there can't be any good or evil, because everything is God? [Re: laughingdog]
    #27776995 - 05/14/22 04:15 PM (4 days, 11 hours ago)

'such a dichotomy, is only a valid division within
certain contexts'

Yes. I like to think about the atman vs anatta, soul vs emptiness, and these things around different views. Maybe 'vs' is not necessary although firm among some. I like to consider integrating them.


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Re: For God, there can't be any good or evil, because everything is God? [Re: syncro]
    #27777386 - 05/14/22 11:11 PM (4 days, 4 hours ago)

Nirvana is the idea not just of having nerve but also the idea of existence having something true and holy!


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Re: For God, there can't be any good or evil, because everything is God? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27777789 - 05/15/22 06:40 AM (3 days, 21 hours ago)

My first girlfriend was Ana, and she had lots of nerve.
a few moments of heaven


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