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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: christopera]
    #27776727 - 05/14/22 10:15 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The US has been anti Russia forever. How does this come as news to Fal?





Probably because that is not a true statement.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Tulipslave]
    #27776730 - 05/14/22 10:19 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

When in the last 70 years has the US had pro Russia, pro USSR, policy?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: christopera]
    #27776742 - 05/14/22 10:29 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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When in the last 70 years has the US had pro Russia, pro USSR, policy?





You realize "forever" and "70 years" are two totally different things, correct?



It's really important the words and phrases one uses.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Tulipslave]
    #27776746 - 05/14/22 10:34 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

You realize you are acting like a child?

The US hasn't been around forever, nor has Russia. So when I say "forever" obviously it is an act of rhetoric.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: christopera]
    #27776753 - 05/14/22 10:40 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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You realize you are acting like a child?

The US hasn't been around forever, nor has Russia. So when I say "forever" obviously it is an act of rhetoric.






How am I acting like a child....?

Even in the history of both nations, the USA and Russia, in all of its iterations, have NOT always been enemies.

Why is that hard for you to understand? Especially in relation to your broad, sweeping statements, to which you then get defensive and mildly insulting when someone questions.


Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Or is that adage too childish for you?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Tulipslave]
    #27776766 - 05/14/22 10:48 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

You are acting like a child because you are picking over silly semantics instead of addressing the obvious reality of the argument.

Can you address the fact that Falcons "proof" is recent and that in the context of the discussion it is no surprise that the US political agenda has historically been anti Russian well before his proof?

Feel free to circlejerk by yourself though.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: christopera]
    #27776778 - 05/14/22 10:53 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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When in the last 70 years has the US had pro Russia, pro USSR, policy?




We liked them for a bit with Gorbachev and we openly bankrolled Yeltsin, but other than we didn't like them since 1917


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27776784 - 05/14/22 10:58 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

So out of 105 years the liking has been sparse.

Ahh yes, how honest adults have discussion.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: christopera]
    #27776812 - 05/14/22 11:26 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Most of Europe seems to be anti Russian also .
  31 countries  besides the US are giving or have given military aid to Ukraine .


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: christopera] * 1
    #27776883 - 05/14/22 12:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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christopera said:
So out of 105 years the liking has been sparse.

Ahh yes, how honest adults have discussion.






No, it's a huge difference to make a statement that is blatantly false, as even you now admit was "sparse" based on Brian Jones comment.


So again,  I stand my by original statement. What you said was false, and at multiple points, depending on politicians in charge, we HAVE had amicable or better relations with Russia.



I made NO comment in regards to anything Falcon said.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Tulipslave]
    #27776918 - 05/14/22 12:55 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Hey TS, how's  it hangin?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27776932 - 05/14/22 01:19 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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When in the last 70 years has the US had pro Russia, pro USSR, policy?




We liked them for a bit with Gorbachev and we openly bankrolled Yeltsin, but other than we didn't like them since 1917




We only liked those two because they were more than willing to play ball in destroying the USSR so long as they got rich as well, but yeah.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27776936 - 05/14/22 01:22 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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There's so much evidence now that the US was already planning to go to war with Russia...





The US was planning to make Ukraine go to war with Russia ? 
  Source or make believe ?



The video is my source.  You should watch it.  It's only about 1 minute long.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: christopera]
    #27776943 - 05/14/22 01:31 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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The US was planning to do something that made other people do actual things, which means that the people planning are at fault.



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The US has been anti Russia forever. How does this come as news to Fal?



Who said it was news to me?  Why is it when people don't have an intelligent response to the topic, they post something irrelevant to the topic?

The topic is that we have evidence the US was preparing Ukraine to fight a war for us.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27776952 - 05/14/22 01:39 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

We have evidence that the U.S. was helping Ukraine prepare to defend itself from further Russian invasion and occupation.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27776956 - 05/14/22 01:41 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Psilynut2 said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
There's so much evidence now that the US was already planning to go to war with Russia...





The US was planning to make Ukraine go to war with Russia ? 
  Source or make believe ?



The video is my source.  You should watch it.  It's only about 1 minute long.



The US going to war with Russia and Ukraine going to war with Russia are not the same thing and nowhere in that video are we forcing Ukraine to go to war. So, source or make believe.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27776957 - 05/14/22 01:41 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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it is funny for Fal to act as though the kid is some kind of oracle.



That wasn't the point.  The point was that the US has been preparing Ukraine for war.  This takes some clout away from those who say "This is all Russia's fault, they started it!"


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27776964 - 05/14/22 01:46 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
it is funny for Fal to act as though the kid is some kind of oracle.



That wasn't the point.  The point was that the US has been preparing Ukraine for war.  This takes some clout away from those who say "This is all Russia's fault, they started it!"



Russia did start it. Ukraine can prepare for whatever they like, Russia doesn't get to determine what Ukraine can or can't do within it's own borders.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27776965 - 05/14/22 01:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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, we HAVE had amicable or better relations with Russia.




That's true , there have been brief moments in history when Russia has enjoyed not wanting to be destroyed by us .
    They  even had their own military alliance called the Warsaw Pact . It's the only military alliance in world history to have invaded itself .


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27776969 - 05/14/22 01:48 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

How is preparing for war after literally watching a foreign military power invade and annex your territory, provocative?
Russia literally did start it. They initiated the invasion of Crimea and they initiated the more recent invasion of the rest of Ukraine. I'm sorry if you don't care for that reality but there isn't anything I, Lindsay Graham or John McCain can do about that.


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