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Offlinebadasscowboy
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what is my mistake that i never get pins?
    #27772121 - 05/11/22 12:56 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I've tried different settings, mycelium grows fine and the substrate gets all white but no pins! it's been almost a year with absolute no success, there must be something that I'm doing wrong, anybody has any advice?

I prepare the grain spawn, use coco peat for the substrate , get it wet and sterilize it , wait to cool down, mix it with the spawn in plastic container with a few taped holes, it grows fine after a month and becomes white, then i put the block in the "fruiting chamber" which is a pool of water that has a humidifier in it, the chamber has some holes in it, usually i don't get any pins at all, but this time i waited to get pins before i take it to the chamber, it's been 10 days but there is no growth. I've tried putting the spawn jar directly in the chamber as well but no success ! (the only time i got anything was from a spawn jar getting pins so...)






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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: badasscowboy]
    #27772123 - 05/11/22 01:00 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Why is your mushroom grow taking place in liquid nitrogen? Do you see other people doing that?


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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: badasscowboy]
    #27772127 - 05/11/22 01:07 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm going to seriously help you. But before I do, can you tell me where you came up with this technique? I'm 100% seriously and honestly curious. I'll hold your hand from start to finish. I'm retired so all I do everyday is fungi, fishing, cannabis, rocks and bee's. So let's hear the whole technique and where it came from. :mushroom2::rocket:


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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: Bobbins]
    #27772135 - 05/11/22 01:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Bobbins said:
Why is your mushroom grow taking place in liquid nitrogen? Do you see other people doing that?




That's just a water bath with a humidifier.

That's not fully colonized so you're most likely working with contaminated spawn.

Remove the lid from the small shoebox,  get rid of the water bath and humidifier.

Edited by DERRAYLD (05/11/22 01:26 AM)

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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27772188 - 05/11/22 03:29 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

guys it's been a full year with no success so reading and studying and trying many things I am now doing this as my last attempt

I thought my mistake has been lack of humidity so this watertub is what i ended up in the end.

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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: badasscowboy]
    #27772198 - 05/11/22 03:40 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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badasscowboy said:
guys it's been a full year with no success so reading and studying and trying many things I am now doing this as my last attempt

I thought my mistake has been lack of humidity so this watertub is what i ended up in the end.




How are you starting your grow? Agar or spore syringe?

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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: TheDirtFarmer]
    #27772221 - 05/11/22 04:18 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I've tried both

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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: badasscowboy]
    #27772222 - 05/11/22 04:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Pinning is triggered by evaporation not by excess humidity.

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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #27772227 - 05/11/22 04:33 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Ive heard sterilizing the substrate isnt good.  Pastuerizing the substrate would be better. And yea too much humidity drowns em. Im dialing that in now.  Just gotta let em tell you what they need. Does take trial and error for sure.  Im sorry to hear about the year thats sad.  Hopefully the retired fellow gets you hooked up!


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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: badasscowboy]
    #27772239 - 05/11/22 04:54 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I've tried both




Can you layout the process you used? Having more details about how you arrived at this point makes it alot easier to identify potential problems in the process that could cause tubs not to fruit.

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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: TheDirtFarmer]
    #27772252 - 05/11/22 05:14 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

the process of making the grain spawn is going fine, I've had a lot of issues with it but now I can get a fully colonized grain jar 80% of the time. after that I either put the jar directly in what I believe is the ideal fruiting condition or mix it with strelized substrate (coco coir, planting dirt mix, cow manure, or a mixture of them), sometimes i have contam but most of the time it gets fully colonized and I can tell it by the mushroomy smell. but neither the grain jar nor the colonized substrate block ever gets to pin.

I've raised and lowered the humidity and air flow up and down but never had any success, I've used a wet perlite floor with misting several times a day but they either dry up or get contams, I've put a mister in the chamber directly as well to prevent drying but didn't work either.

my own guess is that I haven't found the right humidity balance yet but truly I'm dumbfounded.:confused:

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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: badasscowboy]
    #27772253 - 05/11/22 05:14 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So... Just going to ignore my offer? I'm serious. I will help you every single step of the way. All I ask is who's putting this tek out there? I mean shit, look at my gallery. And those are all kinda shitty. (Really shitty. I never take pix of good looking stuff.)  I'm telling you. We can  start from the very beginning and in a while, you'll have some awesome pix to post up. I'm not kidding man. You can PM whenever you want. Was it FB? Reddit? I'm willing to do that. 😃


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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: TheDirtFarmer]
    #27772254 - 05/11/22 05:15 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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badasscowboy said:
I've tried both




Can you layout the process you used? Having more details about how you arrived at this point makes it alot easier to identify potential problems in the process that could cause tubs not to fruit.




the process of making the grain spawn is going fine, I've had a lot of issues with it but now I can get a fully colonized grain jar 80% of the time. after that I either put the jar directly in what I believe is the ideal fruiting condition or mix it with strelized substrate (coco coir, planting dirt mix, cow manure, or a mixture of them), sometimes i have contam but most of the time it gets fully colonized and I can tell it by the mushroomy smell. but neither the grain jar nor the colonized substrate block ever gets to pin.

I've raised and lowered the humidity and air flow up and down but never had any success, I've used a wet perlite floor with misting several times a day but they either dry up or get contams, I've put a mister in the chamber directly as well to prevent drying but didn't work either.

my own guess is that I haven't found the right humidity balance yet but truly I'm dumbfounded.

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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: MTZ]
    #27772256 - 05/11/22 05:21 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

the process of making the grain spawn is going fine, I've had a lot of issues with it but now I can get a fully colonized grain jar 80% of the time. after that I either put the jar directly in what I believe is the ideal fruiting condition or mix it with strelized substrate (coco coir, planting dirt mix, cow manure, or a mixture of them), sometimes i have contam but most of the time it gets fully colonized and I can tell it by the mushroomy smell. but neither the grain jar nor the colonized substrate block ever gets to pin.

I've raised and lowered the humidity and air flow up and down but never had any success, I've used a wet perlite floor with misting several times a day but they either dry up or get contams, I've put a mister in the chamber directly as well to prevent drying but didn't work either.

my own guess is that I haven't found the right humidity balance yet but truly I'm dumbfounded.
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So... Just going to ignore my offer? I'm serious. I will help you every single step of the way. All I ask is who's putting this tek out there? I mean shit, look at my gallery. And those are all kinda shitty. (Really shitty. I never take pix of good looking stuff.)  I'm telling you. We can  start from the very beginning and in a while, you'll have some awesome pix to post up. I'm not kidding man. You can PM whenever you want. Was it FB? Reddit? I'm willing to do that. 😃




man I'll gladly take your help, it's not a tek as i said, it's my own experimental tek because nothing has worked for me

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Re: what is my mistake that i never get pins? [Re: badasscowboy]
    #27772267 - 05/11/22 05:32 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Have you tried the updated PF Tek ?

I think you'll find most success with that.


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