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CreonAntigone
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The trans sports controversy 4
#27709056 - 03/26/22 05:33 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I am trans but I fundamentally disagree with the general position being advanced by many in the trans community that 'people should be able to play in the sport of the gender they identify as'.
We must face facts... Trans people are not biologically the same. They take hormones that change the body, and they go through a puberty different from the athletes they're competing against. Even after 10 years of hormones, a trans person's body remains a different body. It has a different shape, different organs and a different function than non-trans people. Comparison in sports will never really be fair.
The idea that people should play in the leagues of their birth gender doesn't work either. That rule doesn't take trans men into account. Trans men take testosterone. Women cannot compete against them. There was a case recently of a trans man who was forced to compete against girls in highschool wrestling. Naturally, as someone on testosterone, no one could do anything to beat him, he won easily two years in a row. He actually wanted to play in the boys league, though, where he'd be challenged. So boneheaded conservative takes on this are just as bad. You can't have someone on testosterone competing against women.
I have thought this through a million times and really see no other solution than the creation of a trans sports league, where those who are in similar situations compete against each other. You might say, 'there's not nearly enough trans people for this.' Maybe right now. But you may be surprised at how many of today's youth come out trans. I see it in a huge number of youth - it seems to be growing somehow. I don't know why. People allege that it is a cultural phenomenon, yet all the trans people I know felt this way for a long time from a very young age. Maybe there were always trans people but they were unappreciated.
But if it is true that the trans thing is growing, I think we should start our own sports leagues. I'd watch it, at least.
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No no no, I'm into it, I think we should we should push it as far as we possibly can. I want to see folks out there like half mech half animal half trigender out there literally ripping people in half. Like the fuckin' gladiator days.
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CreonAntigone said: He actually wanted to play in the boys league, though, where he'd be challenged. So boneheaded conservative takes on this are just as bad. You can't have someone on testosterone competing against women.
Everybody should be free to participate in sports. The difficulty is ensuring fair competition. Competition is only a small part of participation in sports and there can be advantages in providing an extra challenge during training. A trans athlete could be the one who challenges the team to go to higher levels of training. I have often wondered if the current situation was created by people who want to derail any support that trans athletes may have. I think it is more than clear that they need their own classification.
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Re: The trans sports controversy [Re: VP123] 2
#27709425 - 03/26/22 12:08 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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OP, how refreshing to hear a trans person thinking for themselves and not simply repeating the narrative being pushed for complete inclusion in everything. I have a teen daughter who is quite competitive athletically but I know she'd never be able to compete against someone that was born male and I hope she never finds herself in that situation because I'd surely piss some people off with my opinions about fair competition
The idea of a trans league is the best compromise I've heard so far. It's nearly impossible to create rules around systems that are completely fair to everyone without disadvantaging someone. Science and common sense are too often thrown out in the name of "we have to be inclusive".
Testosterone is considered a performance enhancing drug so someone taking it to transition has made the choice to do so but should have to give up the right to play sports if that sport would exclude someone for taking steroids. Same goes for a trans woman, even if she has taken drugs that suppress the testosterone, there would still enough years of normal testosterone in their system to allow their muscles to develop in a way that gives advantage over someone born female. It's just simple facts, testosterone, whether natural or supplemented, makes muscles more efficient and gives a physical advantage over someone with less of it
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Geez, I wasn't thinking this is where this thread would die
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CreonAntigone
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TheStallionMang said: Geez, I wasn't thinking this is where this thread would die
I am sorry, I made too many threads. They are good starting ideas, but where's the finish?
I just don't see a solution. Trans people have different bodies, they need a different league.
But trans kids are going to keep seeing it as being about their acceptance in the community. It isn't about that, it is about fairness. Sometimes they are rejected, that is bad. But fairness arguments must be seperated.
A trans league would be quite fun.
Now it is said that women excel over men in one sport, endurance swimming - because women are more buyoant. Otherwise men's larger size and muscles give the edge.
Trans women start to lose muscle mass and develop new shapes that are more like a woman's. Could they be masters at endurance swimming? Perhaps they might have buyoancy of a woman, but if they train hard they can keep male muscles.
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