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What should I do now?
#27769002 - 05/08/22 06:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is my first time growing, so please forgive me if I am asking too many questions or posting in the wrong place. Also, I am feeling particularly impatient, obsessed and needy, so I have some questions.
You guys helped me identify that the light brown patches below were dried coir.
 Date: 05-05-22
I misted the f*ck out of the dry patches and that seemed to work, but I haven't noticed any real changes (i.e., growth) since then. In fact, it looks even more dried out to me, but like I said, I don't really know what I am doing. I'm also concerned about the parts that turned sort of beige, rather than white:
 Date: 05-08-22
My questions are: 1. If I let it dry out too much, is it too late to save it? 2. Are those beige spots contamination? 3. Would bubble wrap tek be work a try? 4. What should I do now?
Thank you for any help you can offer.
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ChRnZN
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How often do you check the humidity and temperature in there? Perhaps more frequent misting and watering paired with proper FAE could create the conditions you need.
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Re: What should I do now? [Re: ChRnZN]
#27769049 - 05/08/22 06:59 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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As you know, that looks dry as hell. I have found that when a substrate is prepared too dry, its just gonna be dry for the run. Sure, you can mist the hell out of it, which you should continue to do, but its difficult to bring a dry sub up to a proper hydration level. Giving it enough water at the beginning is key!
But overall, your tub doesn't look too bad. I bet you get mushrooms soon!
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I'm also "technically" doing my first grow at the moment. I'm super impatient and asking a bunch of questions and freaking out as well lol the experts on here will take care of you. Good luck! I hope it works out for you soon.
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As stated above, if you prep your substrate too dry you're going to struggle maintaining surface conditions and have to deal with your substrate drying out quickly. Focus on properly hydrating your substrate next time.
Misting is really only used to keep good surface conditions until it starts pinning. Misting is not a good method of attempting to re-hydrate a dry substrate because too much mist, too heavy and especially direct misting your colonized substrate will mat the mycelium which can lead to overlay and uneven pinsets. When you mist you should spray the mist in the air above the tub and let it fall down onto the substrate - not spray it directly.
If you want to try and re-hydrate your substrate you can bottom water it - pour enough water into the tub and allow the substrate to float for a few hours and dump out what didn't get absorbed. This isn't ideal for a first flush because you'll wind up with a lot of sidepins/fruits. That's the main risk with bottom watering, but there's really not a better way to actually hydrate a dry substrate.
Relax. It looks pretty good all things considered, but it has only been 3 days. Mushrooms grow quickly but it's an over night thing. Especially when they're dealing with less than perfect conditions. I have 4 tubs right now that I spawned on 4/28 that still haven't set pins. It just takes time and patience. The more you stare at it the slower it moves. Start some new projects to keep your mind busy while you wait.
Cubes are a lot more resilient than beginners give them credit for. I've had mushrooms grow from a clump of coir that got stuck to the tub wall and I forgot to clean the tub. They know what to do. I would say 95% of the time beginners fail because either: a) their spawn is contaminated and they aren't experienced enough to identify the contamination, or b) they love their projects to death by constantly fucking with it to try and hurry it along.
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Thank you all again! I do think that I squeezed too much of the water out when added the coir. I made it too dry and now I am trying to make up for it. Lesson learned.
I am trying the bubble wrap method to keep the water from evaporating. I'll let you know how it turns out!
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bigfootscreepyuncl said: I would say 95% of the time beginners fail because ...... they love their projects to death by constantly fucking with it to try and hurry it along.
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I say you should start your next project so you have something coming up if this one doesn’t do well. Probably will want to dial it in better as well next time.
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bigfootscreepyuncl said: I would say 95% of the time beginners fail because ...... they love their projects to death by constantly fucking with it to try and hurry it along.
Yes. I have a feeling I've just about "loved mine to death" it still looks good but I've fucked with it too much. I'm trying to leave it be now though.
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I don’t even look at mine for at least 10 days after I spawn em.
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Re: What should I do now? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27771443 - 05/10/22 04:23 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I don’t even look at mine for at least 10 days after I spawn em.
Yeah I'm new and it's hard not to look at em lol I move it into my window every day though.
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Start a new project and worry about that instead.
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Re: What should I do now? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27771449 - 05/10/22 04:26 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Start a new project and worry about that instead.
I have. I only had enough stuff to do 4 more jars to add with the two I have started already. I have 6 jars and two shoeboxes. Hopefully I get the funds soon for a PC and some agar. I really want to start working with prints and swabs soon.
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Pastywhyte said: Start a new project and worry about that instead.
I have. I only had enough stuff to do 4 more jars to add with the two I have started already. I have 6 jars and two shoeboxes. Hopefully I get the funds soon for a PC and some agar. I really want to start working with prints and swabs soon.
Once you get a pc, do yourself a favor and have a few projects staggered out... I used to love my projects to death, but now I feel like I've always got something to work on..
making agar, prepping oats, prepping brf jars (I do both pftek and grains), innoculating jars, taking clone samples, doing agar transfers, spawning tubs, checking on colonized tubs to see if they're pinning yet, harvesting tubs, dunking/re-hydrating..... so much to do, so little time... and if you're bored and have some downtime READ, READ, READ..
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Re: What should I do now? [Re: Rotnpins]
#27771540 - 05/10/22 05:19 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rotnpins said:
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Pastywhyte said: Start a new project and worry about that instead.
I have. I only had enough stuff to do 4 more jars to add with the two I have started already. I have 6 jars and two shoeboxes. Hopefully I get the funds soon for a PC and some agar. I really want to start working with prints and swabs soon.
Once you get a pc, do yourself a favor and have a few projects staggered out... I used to love my projects to death, but now I feel like I've always got something to work on..
making agar, prepping oats, prepping brf jars (I do both pftek and grains), innoculating jars, taking clone samples, doing agar transfers, spawning tubs, checking on colonized tubs to see if they're pinning yet, harvesting tubs, dunking/re-hydrating..... so much to do, so little time... and if you're bored and have some downtime READ, READ, READ..

All of that sounds fantastic. I'm out of work at the moment though so I can't go buy agar or really any other supplies at the moment. I'm out of everything so these grows Im doing are gonna be the last until I get some extra money. I have been reading up and taking notes though so I can at least learn while I wait to continue. I'm hoping to get a PC and agar so I can just take spore prints and use them after I finish these grows.
Also since I'm out of vermiculite, when I birth my cakes is it absolutely necessary to roll them or can I just dunk and fruit?
Edited by ShinyWartortle (05/10/22 05:23 PM)
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It may not be the direction you want to go,.. but a more cost-effective solution until you're able to get a PC might be to take some spore prints, use them to make your own spore syringe, and start some PF Tek cakes... it would at least give you an option that wouldn't cost a whole lot of money while you're waiting for your PC and agar. All you'd need is an empty syringe, some brf, some vermiculite, and some jars.. and if you're able to get some coir as well, you could always shred them to bulk in a $2 reusable shoebox... it would still cost a little bit, but closer to $20 instead of $150ish for a PC and agar supplies
Edit.. I didn't see the last part.... yes, you can skip the roll if you're out of verm.
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Re: What should I do now? [Re: Rotnpins]
#27771560 - 05/10/22 05:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rotnpins said: It may not be the direction you want to go,.. but a more cost-effective solution until you're able to get a PC might be to take some spore prints, use them to make your own spore syringe, and start some PF Tek cakes... it would at least give you an option that wouldn't cost a whole lot of money while you're waiting for your PC and agar. All you'd need is an empty syringe, some brf, some vermiculite, and some jars.. and if you're able to get some coir as well, you could always shred them to bulk in a $2 reusable shoebox.
Edit.. I didn't see the last part.... yes, you can skip the roll if you're out of verm.
Thank you for the info! I have coir, and six of tek jars going at the moment. I cant get vermiculite at the moment locally and don't have the funds to order any so I'll have to find a work around for now. Im going to take prints of all of my shrooms and I'll try to make a spore syringe. I'm just afraid of fucking it up lol I did see where someone was making clones by cutting a piece off from inside the stem and dropping it in a sandwich bag. Could that be transferred to brf cakes or coir instead of grain?
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Rotnpins said: It may not be the direction you want to go,.. but a more cost-effective solution until you're able to get a PC might be to take some spore prints, use them to make your own spore syringe, and start some PF Tek cakes... it would at least give you an option that wouldn't cost a whole lot of money while you're waiting for your PC and agar. All you'd need is an empty syringe, some brf, some vermiculite, and some jars.. and if you're able to get some coir as well, you could always shred them to bulk in a $2 reusable shoebox.
Edit.. I didn't see the last part.... yes, you can skip the roll if you're out of verm.
Thank you for the info! I have coir, and six of tek jars going at the moment. I cant get vermiculite at the moment locally and don't have the funds to order any so I'll have to find a work around for now. Im going to take prints of all of my shrooms and I'll try to make a spore syringe. I'm just afraid of fucking it up lol I did see where someone was making clones by cutting a piece off from inside the stem and dropping it in a sandwich bag. Could that be transferred to brf cakes or coir instead of grain?
I'm not sure,.. I've done the clone tissue->ziplock->agar tek that you're talking about, and it works really well... it's always worth a shot,.. I'd just make sure you took a handfull of samples in hopes that you get one or 2 clean ones and then give it a try...
if you get 1 pftek jar to colonize that way, you can always break up the colonized mycelium in to a few marble sized chunks and use them to colonize more jars similar to a grain 2 grain transfer... I've done it before and it actually works really well.. I've done it without a verm layer, and used micropore tape instead for fae.. and I've also done it with a dry verm layer, I just used gloves, sprayed them with isopropyl, and quickly moved over some of the dry verm layer, put down a mycelium sample, covered it back up with verm and put the lid back on.
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Re: What should I do now? [Re: Rotnpins]
#27771575 - 05/10/22 05:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rotnpins said: It may not be the direction you want to go,.. but a more cost-effective solution until you're able to get a PC might be to take some spore prints, use them to make your own spore syringe, and start some PF Tek cakes... it would at least give you an option that wouldn't cost a whole lot of money while you're waiting for your PC and agar. All you'd need is an empty syringe, some brf, some vermiculite, and some jars.. and if you're able to get some coir as well, you could always shred them to bulk in a $2 reusable shoebox.
Edit.. I didn't see the last part.... yes, you can skip the roll if you're out of verm.
Thank you for the info! I have coir, and six of tek jars going at the moment. I cant get vermiculite at the moment locally and don't have the funds to order any so I'll have to find a work around for now. Im going to take prints of all of my shrooms and I'll try to make a spore syringe. I'm just afraid of fucking it up lol I did see where someone was making clones by cutting a piece off from inside the stem and dropping it in a sandwich bag. Could that be transferred to brf cakes or coir instead of grain?
I'm not sure,.. I've done the clone tissue->ziplock->agar tek that you're talking about, and it works really well... it's always worth a shot,.. I'd just make sure you took a handfull of samples in hopes that you get one or 2 clean ones and then give it a try...
if you get 1 pftek jar to colonize that way, you can always break up the colonized mycelium in to a few marble sized chunks and use them to colonize more jars similar to a grain 2 grain transfer... I've done it before and it actually works really well.. I've done it without a verm layer, and used micropore tape instead for fae.. and I've also done it with a dry verm layer, I just used gloves, sprayed them with isopropyl, and quickly moved over some of the dry verm layer, put down a mycelium sample, covered it back up with verm and put the lid back on.
That's really nice to know. I'll have to get some more brf and try that. Think it would be worth a shot to replace verm with coir in my jars if I'm pretty clean with it? Since it's not super nutrition and holds moisture well?
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#27771577 - 05/10/22 05:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wouldn’t skip rolling the cakes, it’s kind of essential. What I would do if you have coir is get a tray or small tub and put the cakes in it close together. Then literally bury them in the coir. Like this:

That will ensure you have a decent pinset emerge.
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