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MushieMafia
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Upsize my grows or keep the same???
#27764777 - 05/05/22 04:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have a Question in regards to bulk grows.
I recently (relative) started my cultivation journey. I did what most did and started out with PF-TEK brf cakes and yeah was a bit lack luster.
Whilst they were fruiting i decided to try a S2B as i had 9 jars meaning plenty of spawn. I went to my local shopping centre and bought a bunch of 2.3L plastic food containers. 1L is aprox 1QT (id be more accurate with larger amounts). I Spawned the tubs aprox 1:1.5 spawn to sub. and did a tiny ass casing. spawned and cased with CV.
On my first tub i got 148g wet first flush (will call it 150 for sake of calculations).
I think for this size that 150g is not bad especially for my first grow ever. then it got me thinking...a regular "shoebox" is 12QT which is 6 times bigger (i didnt fill my tubs level and used aprox just under 2L so about 2QT). This being said i would should be getting 6 times the weight right? that is 900 wet grams...IDK if i can do that, i know some can, but i cant as of yet. even 500g would be a stretch for me
In saying this i would find it easier to control humidity with smaller tubs, id have more of a chance of saving my other 2qt grows if one contams rather than a corner of a single 12QT and it seems like i will get a larger harvest with a higher quantity of smaller tubs.
Smaller = higher Surface area to volume ratio (thanks year 12 biology). Am i correct in saying with my current skill level it would be better to run more tubs?
been thinking about this for a while, but i may be so far from the truth, someone enlighten me please..but be gentle
This is my second tub as of today, ame aprox ratio, ran out of liners so relax pls.
Unmodded 2QT tub:
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Re: Upsize my grows or keep the same??? [Re: MushieMafia]
#27764824 - 05/05/22 05:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use shoe boxes and do 300ml millet and 2 quarts of cvg and cover so no grain is showing I’ve been growing penis envy 6
My first grow wasn’t great but I cloned the first cluster and then repeat
I don’t know how good your agar work is but you will need to use it to clone I now get loads of clusters and wet weight is 600-660 and get 3-4 flushes
I have no holes in my shoe boxes I do not fan and only mist after I harvest the lid does not snap shut so it doesn’t completely starve them and they are kept at room temp I do not cover I just leave and let them do there thing turn around about 2-3 weeks
My shoe box is 12 or 14 ltr I can’t remember
I have penis 6 APE penis envy mutant in shoes boxes at the moment and I have also upped my grow and done a 32ltr tub which has 3times what my shoe box has in it which is fruiting at the moment so I can’t give you the wet weight of that yet because there not ready to harvest
I have about 30 jars with all different stuff on the go trying to get the TAT collection which is nearly ready to go in to a shoe box and I won’t tell you how many agar plates because I don’t think I can count that high and have about 1kg dry I do this for a hobby and enjoy the whole process
I started in October and my advice to you is have fun experiment learn from them try new things and yes a big box will get you a bigger yield but do not put all your eggs in one basket us noobs are not as advanced so it’s not worth losing all your spawn for yes you can save them sometimes but play it safe for now like I and do show box’s
Doing it my way I have had good success with penis envy 6/golden halo/ red boy make sure you get them before they grow/ and Cambodian gold
Plus always make more jars than you need because things can easily go wrong and then it’s a big wait to get to making a box again ohh I forgot I always line but done a little experiment of my own and didn’t for 2 and they worked just fine maybe that was luck not to get side pins and remember what works for someone may not work for someone else and I also forgot ask the pros on here I’m still learning
I hope I helped but if you need anymore reply to this
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Re: Upsize my grows or keep the same??? [Re: Barry nye]
#27765130 - 05/05/22 08:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for your time Barry, Yes indeed you did answer my question, one thing i failed to think about was just bc you are using a 12QT tub of a 200QT tub, does not mean that you will be using 12-200 QT of substrate. In saying that i now see the sense in going bigger.
Yeah i prepared a lot more jars than i needed and for good cause as most of my bulk grows contamed, I do think that was due to poor spawn quality IMO. I had 8 tubs and now my second one is fruiting (only 2 total left).
I have some agar plates on the go, this is an old pic, i have about a week till i can transfer the clone and the other 2 plates are ready to transfer now.

I still have not cloned from a cluster however this tub i am growing at the moment has a few nice ones, the clone was taken from my first ever mushroom that popped up (early bloomer genetics) and was a bit chonky. Next clone will be cluster genetics from the best shroom in the cluster.
Now in saying that are the plates that i cleaned up from my MSS pretty much useless? beautiful growers but unknown genetics. Did i waste my time bc im cloning now? I hope not i used up a few plates already as i didnt think of this.
I just dont wanna land up with 5 jars of LC when im only using one, I might just drain the rest into my garden and see what happens, i wont really care if nothing happens which is the likely situation.
Thanks for your time
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Re: Upsize my grows or keep the same??? [Re: MushieMafia]
#27765401 - 05/06/22 02:37 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’m using a 12 quart tub it’s called a shoe and I do my mix 1 quart spawn and 2 cvg then cover the grain
And as for liquid culture you still have to test that on a agar plate to make sure it’s clean or play the lottery with it but soon as you start getting contamination in small rooms us noobs will find it harder to grow so if you ever get contamination take the box outside to bag up and Chuck never do it in your grow space
The bigger the box the more chance for things to go wrong because of time and how much you need fresh air and getting the water rite and what your growing
A shoe box is easy and you don’t lose much if it goes wrong
Your plates look good and you can transfer from a plate to another to clean them up and to make sure you have clean agar ready to Chuck in a jar for spawn or culture
I would just get a couple of clean plates and put it in your fridge upside and should be good for 6 months and just do a transfer when you need some for your jars or do a print
I’m not a fan of liquid culture I made 4 jars of APE and never used them so chucked them because I just found agar really helpful and easy to do
When doing a agar to agar transfer take a some bit you don’t need to take HALF A DISH 😂
Anything else let me know
Are you in uk like me
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Re: Upsize my grows or keep the same??? [Re: Barry nye]
#27765406 - 05/06/22 02:58 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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And another thing do not open tubs I know it’s hard but that’s where I used to go wrong checking every 30 min with excitement I just shine a light on the side and good you have more jars than you need that’s definitely the best thing to do I cook up soon as I have enough for a full load in the cooker
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Re: Upsize my grows or keep the same??? [Re: Barry nye]
#27768874 - 05/08/22 04:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah ive read all about bods unmoddded tub tek and shoeboxes etc which i follow till/unless i get side pins then they go into my FC as cakes. Unfortunately i cant really go agar>grain as i dont have a flow hood and im not going to do it in my sab as my "lab" is an outdoor study and im not risking a whole plate of agar and/or my jars so i will stick to LC. and yeah i see people dropping half a plate into a bag and i just shake my head so hard bc its such a waste.
I do have agar plates in my fridge, i have 3 left unfortunately so i need to go buy more (dont have the time to make them and cant be bothered either). I just did another clone from a tall fast growing mush from a cluster of early bloomers so hopefully no contam there. Ive never had an agar contam as of yet thank god.
Im not going to bother doing a third transfer from these plates as i want to get a new grow started asap as i will be starting another two after that a week or so after eachother. first will be strong spiral myc that i have on a plate, second will be the clone from an early bloomer chonker and the third will be from the clone i just took.
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Re: Upsize my grows or keep the same??? [Re: MushieMafia]
#27768981 - 05/08/22 05:41 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
MushieMafia said: In saying this i would find it easier to control humidity with smaller tubs, id have more of a chance of saving my other 2qt grows if one contams rather than a corner of a single 12QT and it seems like i will get a larger harvest with a higher quantity of smaller tubs.
Larger substrates are much easier to maintain surface conditions than smaller ones IME. 12 qt shoebox? Are those for Shaq? Shoeboxes are approx. 4 qts. Bigger is better to a certain extent. Yields can be increased by increasing the spawn to bulk ratio. Your grow yielding 148g had a 1:1.5 ratio. If you bump that up to 1:2, or 1:3, you'll see increased yields. Mushrooms are mostly water, so the more you give them the better. Bigger subs are easier to maintain surface conditions also because there is more moisture evaporating.
*Thicker subs will produce better than thinner ones* for cubes.
I just got done with first flush of PE in a shoebox. (6) 1/2 pint brf cakes to 3 quarts of coir + a 1/2 inch casing layer. First flush yielded two dry ounces. I don't weigh wet shrooms, but it was 4-5xx something grams wet given the 90% guideline. Including the casing layer, the sub is about 4" thick.
Edited by WeavieWonder (05/08/22 05:50 PM)
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Re: Upsize my grows or keep the same??? [Re: WeavieWonder]
#27769169 - 05/08/22 09:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh okay i was also told that standard "shoebox: was 12QT, i didnt pay much attention to this as i measure in Litres lol but they are prox the same, coming to think about it my 5L tub is closer to the size of a box i get my shoes in so what you said makes sense.
Yeah Bod said the same thing about the substrate essentially being a water reservoir for the mushrooms as they are normally 90-92% water by weight. I had planned to experiment with this with the other 6 tubs i had going ...they comtamed...i think poor spawn.
Next grow will be the same as i will committing sin and doing uncle bens TEK as i had plenty of MSS LC left and i didnt have any jars at the time, will be spawned next week.
The following grows will be LC from clones, firstly chonky mushroom clone from an early bloomer and second will be from the clone i took last night, this was from a tall fast grower from a cluster. very keen
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