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    #27762654 - 05/04/22 10:52 AM (2 years, 15 days ago)

Sinn Fein is projected to win tomorrows election and become the biggest political force in Northern Ireland. This could lead to the unification of Ireland and an end to British rule in the North. Sinn Fein is widely regarded to be the political wing of the Irish Republican Army, although this relationship has never been formalized. They began as a democratic socialist party but evolved somewhat towards the center. In recent decades they have also become a major force in Southern Irish politics.


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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27762670 - 05/04/22 11:03 AM (2 years, 15 days ago)

This would be a wonderful development.


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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27763098 - 05/04/22 04:10 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

This would be a disaster for the UK and Ireland. Do these drunk nationalists really think they can stand totally on thier own in a global economy? Seems like they're barely functioning as is.

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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 3
    #27763123 - 05/04/22 04:36 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

The Republic of Ireland is part of the EU - not exactly on their own now, eh. I imagine North Ireland will do better as part of the ROI than remaining a pseudo colony to a post-Brexit UK.

And yes, this would be the best possible outcome for achieving a united Ireland - and should be considered a shining example of resolving sectarian conflict and border disputes as democratically as possible. Take note, supporters of Russian military action.


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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #27763126 - 05/04/22 04:42 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

Even the Scottish don't think they can afford it. Im all for ireland having its sovereignty i just think sticking together and being tied at the hip on the island is mutually beneficial :shrug:

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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #27763172 - 05/04/22 05:20 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

Yes, ideally people and nations continue to work together in cooperation, but didn't the opposite already happen through Brexit? Finding a way to accommodate the isolationism of post-Brexit UK, the open cooperation of the EU, and the special terms of the Belfast Accords has been one of the greatest obstacles preventing a clean Brexit. A united Ireland within the Schengen zone, with a border in the Irish sea, would be a good solution - and the Belfast accords would still allow for the conditions of an English/Irish connection.

A quick contrast between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland shows that the standard of living is higher in the Republic compared to the north - for example, GDP/capita is 2x higher in the ROI compared to the UK, 4x higher when compared to just NI - which in my opinion makes sense considering Northern Ireland is essentially a territorial artifact of British colonialism.

I guess we'll find out if the people of NI agree, but I don't see how joining the ROI is going down a road global isolation.


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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 3
    #27763221 - 05/04/22 05:39 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
    #27763250 - 05/04/22 06:04 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

Whenever a country is occupied by a foreign power, I find I have a degree of sympathy for the common people who resist this.

No matter how bad the regime was, you see the foreigners come and drop bombs and rape the land and you're just like -no-

I would appreciate it if Ireland, Scotland and Wales were given a fair chance to stand on their own two feet again, if they so wished.

I have sympathy for that, a sympathy for the downtrodden pushing back in defense against an overwhelming foreign force invading their land of birth.

Europe had this with the Nazis, and it still echoes in our mentality.


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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: Asante] * 2
    #27768084 - 05/08/22 01:42 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)



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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27768174 - 05/08/22 05:42 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

I've been reading it could take 5 years, IDK. Sinn Fein ran mainly on socioeconomic conditions for poor and average people, but it's nice to see that once they got the majority, they immediately are trying to get the ball rolling on unification. I was also surprised to learn how much support they have in the South. In the last Irish election two parties had to form a coalition to prevent Sinn Fein from the majority there as well. But it sounded like there wasn't a great deal of ideological differences between the three parties, so hopefully they can come to major agreements.


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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27768178 - 05/08/22 05:52 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

Alright you guys have convinced me Erin go bragh and all this :awebigvaped:

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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27779823 - 05/16/22 05:02 AM (2 years, 3 days ago)

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The Republic of Ireland is part of the EU - not exactly on their own now, eh. I imagine North Ireland will do better as part of the ROI than remaining a pseudo colony to a post-Brexit UK.

And yes, this would be the best possible outcome for achieving a united Ireland - and should be considered a shining example of resolving sectarian conflict and border disputes as democratically as possible. Take note, supporters of Russian military action.




Of course it's a great outcome but don't forget it took 50 years for the IRA to work out that shooting and bombing and knee capping ordinary civilians wasn't working. They were a cohort of murderous thugs.
If it wasn't for Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein Northern Ireland would still be a war zone.

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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27779882 - 05/16/22 06:43 AM (2 years, 3 days ago)

The IRA was good, actually.


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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27779899 - 05/16/22 06:59 AM (2 years, 3 days ago)

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If it wasn't for Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein Northern Ireland would still be a war zone.




In some sense it still is a warzone as they still do not have full ancestral control of their lands. They see it as a fundamental matter of their pride.

I won't defend violence but I also understand that this violence was motivated by the pretty obvious violence of taking someone else's land.

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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #27779908 - 05/16/22 07:09 AM (2 years, 3 days ago)

Violence cooled down in Nothern Ireland when they had economic prosperity. Now they don't and Brexit made it worse. There was a lot of violence last year.


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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27779914 - 05/16/22 07:17 AM (2 years, 3 days ago)

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The IRA was good, actually.




That's a sick joke right?

Why is it that American's view the IRA as some sort of noble freedom fighters? They were a cohort of violent thugs that murdered almost as many civilians as they did soldiers or police.

Anyone that grew up in Ireland will tell you that most of the country fucking hates them, they are viewed like the mafia. Ireland is still ridiculously violent thanks to those morons.

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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27780064 - 05/16/22 10:31 AM (2 years, 3 days ago)

What were the UDA then?


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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27780169 - 05/16/22 11:59 AM (2 years, 3 days ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
The Republic of Ireland is part of the EU - not exactly on their own now, eh. I imagine North Ireland will do better as part of the ROI than remaining a pseudo colony to a post-Brexit UK.

And yes, this would be the best possible outcome for achieving a united Ireland - and should be considered a shining example of resolving sectarian conflict and border disputes as democratically as possible. Take note, supporters of Russian military action.




Of course it's a great outcome but don't forget it took 50 years for the IRA to work out that shooting and bombing and knee capping ordinary civilians wasn't working. They were a cohort of murderous thugs.
If it wasn't for Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein Northern Ireland would still be a war zone.



It's weird to talk about Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein as if they are distinct from the PIRA. Officially, this separation had to be made but Sinn Fein and the PIRA are, respectively, the political and militant wings of the same organization.

Absolutely, the hard-learned lesson of the Troubles is that sectarian violence doesn't solve sectarian conflict. The greatest reduction of violence wasn't achieved by one side dominating the other, but by creating the conditions for a pluralism where the people of NI are free to self-identify as either Irish, British, or both. It's unfortunate that around the globe this lesson needs to be relearned over and over again.

Personally, I think the cause of the provos - resistance to, and protection from, English colonialism - is just, and I don't think England would have agreed to the Belfast protocol without the presence of militant resistance - but I don't necessarily think their means of achieving this was always justified. A big part of anarchist action is that the ends must be reflected in the means. I have no problem with the targeting of military, police, and paramilitary - hell, even the politicians giving out the orders - but targeted violence towards civilians, or even indiscriminate violence that unintentionally harms civilians, is a line I'm unwilling to cross, and unable to justify.


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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27780339 - 05/16/22 02:20 PM (2 years, 3 days ago)

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What were the UDA then?




Not quite as violent but much the same, they killed civilians as well just not as many. Violence from both sides still exists.
Thankfully they were able to sign those agreements and de escalate the violence through legitimate diplomacy.
Gerry Adams walked a fine line and who knows if he has blood on his hands but at least the violence ended.
Good luck to Sinn Fein.

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Re: Give Ireland Back To the Irish [Re: Stable Genius]
    #27781030 - 05/17/22 02:13 AM (2 years, 2 days ago)

The IRA were classic retards who can't understand that the people of a nation are nothing to do with their government's actions. Governments are war-makers. If you want to fight back you hit the opposing heads of state, not blow up their civilians because the government does not care about its own people. As has been seen in the last few years, governments have contempt for their own people and see them as cattle-slave type people.


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