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Harvest questions
    #27761623 - 05/03/22 04:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So I've read that with cakes you harvest as the veil breaks. This is a picture of the one cake that has matured before all the others. The fat one on top broke its veil 2 days ago and the cluster of 3 were half the size last night, and when I wake up their growth doubled and they broke their veil. I know the big guy has to come off but what about the cluster? They matured so fast I don't know if I should leave for another say to allow them to grow in size? Or if the veil breaks, no matter the mushroom size are they mature and ready to harvest? The white ones on the other cake are supposed to be G.T. but look nothing them it. I got the spores from M.M.M., possible I got mislabeled spores?


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111] * 1
    #27761640 - 05/03/22 04:20 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Dont mention vendors in cultivation.

Spores are not mislabelled. The mushrooms you get from growing spores are not going to be exact copies of what you see in pictures. There is genetic variation. With any cubensis strain that is not a stable mutated variety you will just get mushrooms that look like cubensis.

Harvest the ones that the veils broke on. Let the rest grow. Once they are all matured and harvested dunk and roll your cakes and then put back in FC for second flush.

Edited by TheDirtFarmer (05/03/22 04:22 PM)

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27761674 - 05/03/22 04:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Also did you just mist this tub? Those mushrooms are super wet and will get little black splotches of bacteria growing on them if they stay soaked like that. But you can let the cluster mature a bit more for sure. And as the dirt farmer said there's genetic variation when you go from a spore syringe. There's millions of different combinations in each syringe depending on which spore germinate together. They all look good just a tad to wet to my eyes.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: WyoMX]
    #27761703 - 05/03/22 05:21 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

if it’s your first grow you’re supposed to eat the heart of the biggest one fresh.

I would just harvest them all unless you’re trying to make some prints…

did the cake on the right fall over? it’s all dirty


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: san pedro guy]
    #27761723 - 05/03/22 05:41 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry didn't mean to mention any vendor so I could bad mouth them or to get off topic. Just wasn't sure if anybody had the same thing happen from the vendor.

I did just mist them but I spray the cakes when I do, along with the walls. So I won't spray the cakes anymore. 

The dirty one didn't fall over. They were pins that grew inside the jar before I birthed it and didn't come off during the dunk. Then I rolled them in verm so thats why it looks dirty.

Yes this is my first grow so I will definitely eat the biggest one. Could I store the ones I harvest in the fridge until they are all harvested and then dry? Or should I dry them as I pick them?

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: WyoMX]
    #27761735 - 05/03/22 05:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

If the veils are broken and you want them to mature more how would I know to pick them before they go bad or drop spores?

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: TheDirtFarmer]
    #27761751 - 05/03/22 06:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Should I be fanning also? I read yes on some threads and "you don't have to" on others. I put a small 5" fan facing away from it and tried to use that to pull out the CO2 but it decreased my humidity drastically and I'm not home long enough to keep misting because of the fan.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27761759 - 05/03/22 06:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

What do you think will happen if they sporelate a little? Hurts nothing and that's when they're done. I personally let them go as long as possible without becoming a mess. Others like them early. Personal preference. 🤙


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: MTZ]
    #27761766 - 05/03/22 06:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure what will happen to be honest. This is my first grow and my reactions are coming from the things people write on here. I get anxiety because my lack of experience causes me to fear that I might do something wrong and ruin what I'm trying to learn.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111] * 1
    #27761817 - 05/03/22 06:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Should I be fanning also? I read yes on some threads and "you don't have to" on others. I put a small 5" fan facing away from it and tried to use that to pull out the CO2 but it decreased my humidity drastically and I'm not home long enough to keep misting because of the fan.




Been a while since i PFTek'd but i was fanning. I just used the lid from the tote and waved it around for like 30 seconds above the tub. Usually i would open the tub, fan, then mist. Once before work and another time before bed.

If the cakes are looking dry you can mist more often. You got some mushrooms your first try so you are not doing terrible. You will get the hang of things after a couple grows.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: TheDirtFarmer] * 1
    #27761828 - 05/03/22 07:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

you don’t have to fan at all & you def don’t wanna run fans around your grow. all the air exchange happens passively you don’t need a fan to do that & as you found out, it’ll dry out your tubs faster


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27761948 - 05/03/22 08:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)


I’m with hazy. I grow a lot of cakes. I rarely mist and I don’t fan.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: TheDirtFarmer]
    #27762103 - 05/03/22 10:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I ran home from work and misted the tub real quick. I pulled the big one and the cluster of 3 were pulled as well because the cap had flattened out already. It took me about 5 minutes to carefully pull them off because there were other pins growing around them. That should be long enough to get the CO2 out I hope? Here's the pics of my results so far.


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: The Tao]
    #27762105 - 05/03/22 10:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm looking at your pic and seeing the same blackish marks on the caps that I had. I was scared that the misting did this and created bacteria. It came off pretty easily when I wiped them and blotted the top of the caps dry because they were really wet. Was that ok to do or am I being over paranoid?

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27762106 - 05/03/22 10:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Also I don't have a dehydrator until Friday, so I put what I had in a paper bag and put them in the back of my fridge. They gonna be ok till then?

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27762168 - 05/03/22 11:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah they will be fine in a bag in the fridge for at least 4 or 5 days.

I usually put mine in a Tupperware with a paper towel to catch any moisture. 

Both work fine to keep mushrooms fresh for a few days.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Vibetyme]
    #27762343 - 05/04/22 03:32 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you. Its nice to see the project wasn't a failure. Got 4 bags incubating right now and going to try my skills at shoebox tek or bulk. Not sure yet. Hearing negative things about using a spore syringe for bags so hopefully they turn out ok...

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27762377 - 05/04/22 05:17 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

The black marks are spores. I let those mushrooms mature more than I usually do because I was making prints.

Some people wipe the spores off. I don’t bother but I also try to harvest as the caps open and before spores are released.
Let’s call it being careful instead of paranoid.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: The Tao]
    #27762988 - 05/04/22 02:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, spores aren’t really bad they are just messy & some people say it affects the flavor. cubes kinda taste like shit all around to me so i harvest whenever it’s most convenient. i usually catch them after the spore drop begins


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27763145 - 05/04/22 04:56 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So the spores come from both the top of the cap and from the gills?

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    #27763248 - 05/04/22 06:03 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Spores come from the underside of the gills. They get ejected at a pretty high speed.

Then the air current will push them on top of the cap and all around.


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: The Tao]
    #27763620 - 05/04/22 10:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quick question.. do I have contams growing on my cakes? 2 cakes have this real fuzzy stuff growing on it. 1 cake has it growing in between the stems but not so bad and the other cake has its sides almost completely taken over. I was thinking it was the mycelium growing and consumer the verm but I'm not sure. Check out the pics...


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Vibetyme]
    #27763623 - 05/04/22 10:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Wow I never even though that could be a possibility.  I figured they just dropped onto whatever surface it was near when they were ready rather than float onto the top of the cap. Do you think I have contams on my cakes? I thought the cakes are pretty resistant to contamination once they are birthed?

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27763628 - 05/04/22 10:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

The cake with no mush on it and just the fuzz hasn't grown any pins yet. If it is contams, should I get the other cakes away from it?

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27763649 - 05/04/22 10:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Everything I'm seeing there looks like mycelium to me. 

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Vibetyme]
    #27763653 - 05/04/22 10:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks I was worried haha. Another thing that bothers me though is that I have 5 other jars that have stalled at about 75%. Can I just birth them, dunk and force the fruit? Or are they a lost cause?

The mycelium on the cakes you just saw, its ok that they become webby? It's kind of like thicker spider webs.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Vibetyme]
    #27763665 - 05/04/22 10:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Check out some of matejas cakes over in the water tub Thread

Cakes can grow all sorts of crazy looking mycelium due to a plethora of factors.

Yeah all that appears be fine to me.  I don't grow a lot of cakes anymore though to be honest.

If they aren't colonized I'd probably just wait and let them do their thing and finish. If they refuse id just top fruit them.  Grab a little verm  and throw it on top then get a ziplock baggie and throw it over the jar and zip it up like this.


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Vibetyme]
    #27763697 - 05/04/22 10:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

^^^^^

yeah just top fruit em if they stalled. myc looks good to me too, sometimes myc gets fluffy or real fuzzy around the base of the mushrooms (fuzzy feet) when it wants more FAE. some of the mushroom caps in one of your pic look a bit wet but over all really solid. love the shape of those caps


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Vibetyme]
    #27763749 - 05/04/22 11:19 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks I'm gonna check the link out now. I already have 4 spawn bags of 2 diff strains sitting on the shelf now to go bulk when they're ready. I was going to break up these cakes and do a shoebox but I figured since its my first grow I better learn the basics before I go crazy with all the other stuff. Although I am reading that pf tek conditions are a bit more finicky to maintain then bulk. The ones that colonized fast for me were the Cambodian which are 5 of the cakes in the sgfc now. The one with fuzzy feet is G.T.. The other ones that stalled are all G.T. but I'm thinking they colonize slower than the Cambodian. So maybe they aren't stalled at all?

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27763754 - 05/04/22 11:21 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I've been reading around the board and finding something called "aerial growth" and its exactly what you said. A condition that comes around with not enough FAE. I've only fanned them a few times in the last week because I'm more worried about maintain the high humidity. Looks like I have to create the perfect balance of both.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27763801 - 05/05/22 12:32 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

creating the perfect balance of both is the idea for sure, more FAE comes in the form of more holes/open lids. it’s more about the passive air exchange than fanning in fresh air. fanning really doesn’t accomplish much


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27763982 - 05/05/22 06:36 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Quick question.. do I have contams growing on my cakes? 2 cakes have this real fuzzy stuff growing on it. 1 cake has it growing in between the stems but not so bad and the other cake has its sides almost completely taken over. I was thinking it was the mycelium growing and consumer the verm but I'm not sure. Check out the pics...





Cakes look nice. Middle one might have something going on but it could just be the angle of the picture causing a shadow. Mushrooms have normal fuzzy feet.
How often are you taking them out of the tub?
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Re: Harvest questions [Re: The Tao]
    #27766195 - 05/06/22 03:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

That was the first time I took them out. Just for the pics. I harvested what I had and throwing them in the dehydrator now. Pics coming..

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    #27766203 - 05/06/22 04:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

What temperature and time will you dehydrate at?

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27766286 - 05/06/22 05:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

My dehydrator finally came and this is what I have so far. My cakes are fruiting at all different times and I've had these in the fridge for 3 days now. Once I pick a grouping off the cake and it hasn't grown any more pins in a few days should I dunk for the next flush? Also its hard to get some of the verm off the fruits. Is it ok if I lightly wash them off with water?


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27766292 - 05/06/22 05:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Once the flush is finished.  Just dunk it in some water for 12-24hrs and repeat. I always dunked for 24 hrs but a lot of people do less with good results.

I'd use a wash cloth or damp paper towel to remove any verm that got stuck to the fruits. 

I usually just cut the bottom part off that was actually touching the cake.


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Vibetyme]
    #27766350 - 05/06/22 06:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

When do I know the flush on each cake is finished though? The two cakes I harvested haven't shown new pins in 3 days or so. Does that mean the first flush is finished and I should dunk it now?

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: The Tao]
    #27766353 - 05/06/22 06:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I put the knob between 95f and 105f. I've read smaller amounts only need 4 to 6 hours but I'm going to keep checking to see if the biggest one is cracker dry.

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    #27766385 - 05/06/22 06:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

The first flush is done when you say it is, aka when you harvest. Harvest then soak or mist, I usually only soak for an couple of hours.

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    #27766546 - 05/06/22 08:35 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I put the knob between 95f and 105f. I've read smaller amounts only need 4 to 6 hours but I'm going to keep checking to see if the biggest one is cracker dry.



Where did you read that? How will you know the biggest one is properly dry?

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    #27766792 - 05/07/22 12:45 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I read it from one of the many posts on this message board. This is why this board difficult sometimes because you read what other people try and then you gets responses like "where did you read that?". Everything i have read said you know your batch is dry when the biggest mushroom is cracker dry. It breaks with a snap.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: The Tao] * 1
    #27766793 - 05/07/22 12:49 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

If you have any other suggestions please let me know I'm here to learn the right way.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111] * 1
    #27766795 - 05/07/22 12:54 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Well they seem cracker dry after about 6-8 hours.  They might be good after that long with just a few shrooms.  But they might and probably will still have some moisture in the middle of the stems even though they break and snap. If any moisture is left after about a week the stems start to bend instead of snap. No Bueno.

So to be sure just leave them in longer. I leave them for at least 24 hrs and the big fat ones get dried for longer or cut in half.  You can't get them too dry.

I don't even dry my mushrooms inside anymore.  I put them outside basically under a patio area to dry them and I set a timer.


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27766895 - 05/07/22 04:50 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I read it from one of the many posts on this message board. This is why this board difficult sometimes because you read what other people try and then you gets responses like "where did you read that?". Everything i have read said you know your batch is dry when the biggest mushroom is cracker dry. It breaks with a snap.



There are certainly a lot of opinions offered here and figuring what works and what doesn’t takes time. I just wondered where your info was from.
I dry for 24 hours at 160F. Potent and I’ve never opened a jar and found soft mushrooms. They turn to powder.
This is from 2017 but still a good read.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23782274#top

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: The Tao]
    #27767386 - 05/07/22 01:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks I'm gonna give this a read now. Just turned the heat up as well. The small ones I've had at 105 are crisp but the bigger ones certainly aren't ready yet so I'll run for most of the day at 165.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27772210 - 05/11/22 04:00 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hey got a question about measurements. I have four 5lb spawn bags on a shelf right now and I'm going mono with 2 bags and shoebox with the other 2. I'm not sure how to measure a myco quart though. I have a quart measuring cup, when I'm ready can I just pour the colonized grain into the measuring cup and that would be considered a myco quart? I'm getting hung up on specific measurements because I don't want to under spawn my substrate after I make it. I'm using a 40qt tub for the mono and I'm going to dub tub with 6qt shoeboxes.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27772358 - 05/11/22 07:53 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

1 myco quart =about 3/4 quart jar fully colonized.

I'd probably make at least 3 shoeboxes with one 5lb bag. I'm not familiar with bags, I just know there is a lot more in one then two shoeboxes worth.

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27772455 - 05/11/22 10:06 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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So I've read that with cakes you harvest as the veil breaks.




With whatever you're growing on, you harvest when you feel like it. Sometime after pinning, and sometime before the fruits start to rot. Anybody who tells you there's a definite particular exact harvest point is blowing smoke.

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When do I know the flush on each cake is finished though?




Flushes are an imaginary concept which some people make more real through genetic manipulation and careful control of surface conditions. Multispore syringe to PF cakes is going to give you pins that pop out whenever they feel like it.

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I read it from one of the many posts on this message board. This is why this board difficult sometimes because you read what other people try and then you gets responses like "where did you read that?". Everything i have read said you know your batch is dry when the biggest mushroom is cracker dry. It breaks with a snap.




There are over 20 years' worth of posts on here, and the only check in place for anyone spreading misinformation is other people saying "no, actually, that's bullshit." It's not hard to accidentally read old/outdated information, some of which the people responding now have never seen. I recommend searching for posts on what you're looking for that are no more than 5 years old, and posted by Trusted Cultivators. That should at least keep you on threads with relatively solid info.

There used to be a lot more concern over heat destroying actives, and all sorts of goofy low-temperature drying schemes. Cubes used to pretty much always be a little chewy, and stored in plastic sandwich bags. People also used to get stomach aches every time they tripped, and really never know exactly how high they'd get because they didn't know how much psilocybin had degraded under those crappy storage conditions. Now, most people say 160 degrees until cracker-dry. In another 5-10 years, we'll probably have actual analytical data, and perhaps see further modifications to that basic advice.

I wouldn't be happy with just snapping my biggest fruit in half. I want anything coming out of the dehydrator to crumble to powder if I rub it between my fingers. I also pull my fruits apart before drying, both to inspect them and to avoid any issues with case-drying (exterior seems dry, but there's still residual moisture in the interior.)


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: B Traven]
    #27773459 - 05/12/22 02:14 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hey thanks that was a good reply. Advice taken on all points. I did turn up the heat to 160 when drying and did wait until they crumbled in my hands. So it worked out pretty well. It does get a little intimidating when going through so much information but I've gluten getting better at vetting the info. I did dunk the 2 cakes that were finished and they sat dormant for a few days and now they have pins again. This is a pic of one of my other cakes that is doing really well I think.


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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Vibetyme]
    #27773461 - 05/12/22 02:18 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So I was wrong about the bag... its a 2-2.5lb bag which is 2 myco quarts. That made it a little easier for me to figure out what I needed to do. I got the 5lb from it being a 5-grain spawn bag but if I read a little more I would have seen that I was wrong. Could I still fill up my quart measuring cup with the colonized grain and consider it a quart that way?

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Re: Harvest questions [Re: Headspace111]
    #27773475 - 05/12/22 02:57 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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So I was wrong about the bag... its a 2-2.5lb bag which is 2 myco quarts. That made it a little easier for me to figure out what I needed to do. I got the 5lb from it being a 5-grain spawn bag but if I read a little more I would have seen that I was wrong. Could I still fill up my quart measuring cup with the colonized grain and consider it a quart that way?




Yes a quart is a quart whether it's in a cup or a bag :confused:


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