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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Boozie]
#27760712 - 05/02/22 10:12 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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I was so very tempted when harvesting my last Ghost flush to brew some down I just don't have any damn time lately. Plus I'm such a lightweight it makes me nervous - I really like to stick to around 1g dried so I would probably want like....75g fresh, in case of an extra potent batch.
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Fresh is where it’s at, I won’t take them dry if I have the choice. Comes on faster, stronger visuals, and the trip does feel “cleaner” to me. Like nektar said, it’s gotta be the psilocin that we usually lose along the way. Night and day with exotics.
I also find it easier to notice the differences between varieties when they’re fresh. I too am a lightweight, 10g wet Yeti was toooooo much.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Boozie] 2
#27760721 - 05/02/22 10:19 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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Boozie said: Pans on the other hand… HUGE difference between fresh and dried.
Higher psilocin, as I guessed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolus_cyanescens
Average: psilocybin at 2.5% and psilocin at 1.194%
2:1 ratio.
Except for the few very strongest outlier cubes (enigma and such), according to results of the the Spring 2021 Psilocybin Cup, looks like cubes are more like psilocybin:psilocin at a 3:1 ratio or 4:1 ratio.
PDF is here: https://www.oaklandhyphae510.com/post/oakland-hyphae-presents-the-spring-2021-psilocybin-cup-final-results
So it sounds like pans are stronger right away because they have more of the shit that dies quickly.
Whereas cubes have more of the shit that lasts for a long time if you keep it dry and out of light and don't grind it....you know, like Forrester having B+ in a warm garage for 10 years in a Mason jar and still hitting as strong as the day it was picked.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: nektar61]
#27760726 - 05/02/22 10:23 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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I dont know... Water dosnt sound to bad if done carefully.
I got a bunch of germ plates been sitting for about a month now with no action. Wishing i added water, or made my agar a bit more wet.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: nektar61] 2
#27760728 - 05/02/22 10:25 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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nektar61 said: But I've heard that...the bluing isn't always directly proportionate to the strength when you eat that.
My theory is that it's a difference between psilocybin and psilocin content. More of the latter bruises faster. So you could have a shroom with lots of psilocybin and not much psilocin and it wouldn't bruise much (or would take some minutes to bruise a lot) but would still get you very high.
IME potent cubes can show no bruising, but strong bluing is usually an indication of potency. But both SFAIK have the same sort of actives and the same sort of comeup speed (which is down to psilocin content). I like bluing, and have recently seen bluing while cutting natalensis myc for transfer - which is new and pretty impressive.
Also fresh is by far my favorite, tea made from fresh fruits immediately after harvest is the best performer and delivers the cleanest possible trip. Again IME. 
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nektar61 said: Except for the few very strongest outlier cubes (enigma and such), according to results of the the Spring 2021 Psilocybin Cup, looks like cubes are more like psilocybin:psilocin at a 3:1 ratio or 4:1 ratio.
Yeah but you don't know how the fruits were dried for those tests, and those tests were all for dried fruits. So fresh potency distribution between alkaloids is still up in the air. 
Pic of a funky Natalensis germ plate on MEA from a few days back:

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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: nektar61]
#27760734 - 05/02/22 10:30 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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what's your temp? I had my closet thermostat on 78 and was losing a few things to trich and bacteria. Moved it down to 70 and all is calm. Shrooms that take longer are supposed to be stronger anyway.
I left the apartment at 80. Kinda figured it would happen, just not this bad.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Boozie]
#27760745 - 05/02/22 10:42 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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Boozie said: I wouldn’t say “different”, just varying a bit between dried to fresh. A lot comes down to the dosage and trying to weigh the difference in lack of water-weight, etc. The psilocin : psilocybin ratio can play a roll as they oxidize, but it’s more to do with the amount taken. At least in my experience.
Pans on the other hand… HUGE difference between fresh and dried.
What kind of difference between fresh/dried for pans? If I successfully get them to pin I'll probably be munching them fresh. Should I go for dry instead being a beginner psychonaught?
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: nektar61]
#27760751 - 05/02/22 10:46 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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nektar61 said:
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Boozie said: Pans on the other hand… HUGE difference between fresh and dried.
Higher psilocin, as I guessed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolus_cyanescens
Average: psilocybin at 2.5% and psilocin at 1.194%
2:1 ratio.
Except for the few very strongest outlier cubes (enigma and such), according to results of the the Spring 2021 Psilocybin Cup, looks like cubes are more like psilocybin:psilocin at a 3:1 ratio or 4:1 ratio.
PDF is here: https://www.oaklandhyphae510.com/post/oakland-hyphae-presents-the-spring-2021-psilocybin-cup-final-results
So it sounds like pans are stronger right away because they have more of the shit that dies quickly.
Whereas cubes have more of the shit that lasts for a long time if you keep it dry and out of light and don't grind it....you know, like Forrester having B in a warm garage for 10 years in a Mason jar and still hitting as strong as the day it was picked.
Baeocystin levels are suspected to play a role as well. Especially in “exotics” and fresh wood-lovers. Again, seems to oxidize quickly.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: ShinyWartortle]
#27760760 - 05/02/22 11:02 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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Boozie said: I wouldn’t say “different”, just varying a bit between dried to fresh. A lot comes down to the dosage and trying to weigh the difference in lack of water-weight, etc. The psilocin : psilocybin ratio can play a roll as they oxidize, but it’s more to do with the amount taken. At least in my experience.
Pans on the other hand… HUGE difference between fresh and dried.
What kind of difference between fresh/dried for pans? If I successfully get them to pin I'll probably be munching them fresh. Should I go for dry instead being a beginner psychonaught?
They are far more potent fresh. Tread lightly, use a scale and don’t go overboard. Been knocked on my ass more than a couple times. Teas are great. 😉
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: ShinyWartortle] 3
#27760764 - 05/02/22 11:05 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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One time when I first started growing I was under the impression my B+ were weak.
So I took 40 wet grams and boiled that down to about a half cup of tea.
I learned a couple things really quickly.
First- and most important was 40 grams was way too much. My mushrooms were actually strong as fuck.
Second- that I needed a real dehydrator and I could never again dry my mushrooms in my instant pot dehydrator. Fuck that noise, it ruined the actives on several batches of mushrooms in a row before I tested them dry.
Third- fresh hits different! Fast, clean, and strong as hell!
Anyhow I kinda passed out and woke up full blown tripping. Sliding kinda in and out of this world was intense but I rode it out and enjoyed it as much as I could. There is always definitely another level out there.
Start small & don't be a dipshit like me!
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Boozie]
#27760766 - 05/02/22 11:08 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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Boozie said:
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Boozie said: I wouldn’t say “different”, just varying a bit between dried to fresh. A lot comes down to the dosage and trying to weigh the difference in lack of water-weight, etc. The psilocin : psilocybin ratio can play a roll as they oxidize, but it’s more to do with the amount taken. At least in my experience.
Pans on the other hand… HUGE difference between fresh and dried.
What kind of difference between fresh/dried for pans? If I successfully get them to pin I'll probably be munching them fresh. Should I go for dry instead being a beginner psychonaught?
They are far more potent fresh. Tread lightly, use a scale and don’t go overboard. Been knocked on my ass more than a couple times. Teas are great. 😉
I may go all out. I'm kind of needing guidance at the moment. Maybe I'll get something from it and won't just have a terrible trip. If I do decide to take a larger dose I'll let ya all know how it goes 😅
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: ShinyWartortle] 1
#27760786 - 05/02/22 11:33 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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ShinyWartortle said: I may go all out. I'm kind of needing guidance at the moment. Maybe I'll get something from it and won't just have a terrible trip. If I do decide to take a larger dose I'll let ya all know how it goes 😅
This: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27694461#27694461
also https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=27646632&page=0&vc=1#27646632
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: nektar61] 2
#27760798 - 05/02/22 11:56 PM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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nektar61 said:
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ShinyWartortle said: I may go all out. I'm kind of needing guidance at the moment. Maybe I'll get something from it and won't just have a terrible trip. If I do decide to take a larger dose I'll let ya all know how it goes 😅
This: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27694461#27694461
also https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=27646632&page=0&vc=1#27646632
Thank you for that. I enjoyed reading it. I'll keep in mind that larger isn't better. I appreciate it.
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#27760799 - 05/03/22 12:03 AM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: nektar61] 1
#27760802 - 05/03/22 12:06 AM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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Great stuff nektar, first I’ve read through that. Well written and explained.
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DAMN those are stunning!! What are they? If I didn't have too many projects on my hands as it is I'd be ing you all day lol. Gorgeous fucking fruits!
That might be the most beautiful pheno I've seen yet
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DAMN those are stunning!! What are they? If I didn't have too many projects on my hands as it is I'd be ing you all day lol. Gorgeous fucking fruits!
That might be the most beautiful pheno I've seen yet
Thanks man! 
That's one of the f2 cultures from that Mak/AA+ cross. I've been having a lot of fun with these. Nice to see darker gills in this gen. I like the contrast
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That might be the most beautiful pheno I've seen yet

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#27760846 - 05/03/22 01:23 AM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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Oh them’s hangry.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Boozie]
#27760903 - 05/03/22 04:31 AM (2 years, 15 days ago) |
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Is that a bag or shoebox?
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That's a bag.
These are bags
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