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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court privately voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision that has guaranteed the right to abortion for nearly a half-century, according to a leaked draft opinion from February published online Monday night by Politico.
In the draft opinion, written by Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., a majority of the court voted to overturn Roe, according to Politico. Justice Alito called it wrongly decided and said the contentious issue, which has animated political debates in the United States for more than a generation, should be decided by politicians, not the courts.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” Justice Alito writes in the document, labeled the “Opinion of the Court,” referring to a second decision that reaffirmed Roe. “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”
The draft posted by Politico is consistent with the Supreme Court’s published opinions in ways large and small, including structure, length, typography and how legal citations are rendered. Its assertive and sometimes slashing tone reads very much like other major opinions from Justice Alito.
The release of the 98-page document is unprecedented in the court’s modern history: Early drafts of opinions have virtually never leaked before the final decision is announced, and never in such a consequential case. And early drafts of opinions often change by the time the decision from the court is announced.
Shortly after the article was published Monday night, Politico’s editor in chief, Matthew Kaminski, and its executive editor, Dafna Linzer, sent an email to newsroom employees emphasizing its authenticity. In the memo, Mr. Kaminski and Ms. Linzer said that the article underwent “an extensive review process,” describing it as “plainly news of great public interest.”
Asked for reaction to the apparent leak, a Supreme Court spokeswoman said the court had no comment.
If the justices announce a decision along the lines of the early, leaked draft, it would be a seismic change in American law and politics, coming just months before congressional midterm elections that will decide who controls power on Capitol Hill.
Abortion has long split the two parties — and the country — though it had receded as a central issue in presidential elections even while remaining a galvanizing issue for many. A court decision along the lines of the one in the early draft could incite new political battles in Congress and in states across the country about whether and how the procedure should be limited.
The Politico report said the justices voting to support Justice Alito’s opinion were Clarence Thomas, Neil M. Gorsuch, Brett M. Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett. The news organization said Justices Stephen G. Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan were working on dissents. It was not clear how Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. planned to vote.
Roe v. Wade, which established a constitutional right to abortion in a landmark 1973 case, has been a centerpiece of American jurisprudence ever since. In the language of the court, it has been a precedent that cemented the basic rights of women to have access to a legal abortion. Over the years, the court has accepted restrictions on that right, but has not wavered from the basic legal standard set out by Roe.
The current court — which has six conservative justices and three liberal ones — has provided indications over the past year that it may be willing to reconsider that position.
During Supreme Court arguments in December, conservative justices indicated a willingness to scale back, if not undo, the federal abortion protections and leave most of the regulation up to individual states.
In more than two dozen conservative states, lawmakers have prepared bills that would effectively outlaw abortion if the court overturns Roe v. Wade. If the court embraces Justice Alito’s draft opinion as its final position, it would clear the way for those bills to quickly become law.
The draft opinion makes familiar arguments against Roe. It says that the Constitution is silent about abortion and that nothing in its text or structure supports a constitutional right to abortion. Roe, the draft continues, is so egregiously wrong that it does not deserve to be retained as a precedent. The proper approach, the draft says, is to return the question to the states.
The Mississippi law challenged in the case bans abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy, and Justice Alito could have adopted a middle-ground approach advocated by Chief Justice Roberts when the case was argued in December: to sustain the law and leave questions about the fate of Roe for another day.
According to Justice Alito’s draft, a majority rejected that approach.
If the draft opinion or something like it is ultimately issued, it will produce rifts at the court that could test its legitimacy.
At the argument, the court’s three liberal members said that overruling Roe soon after a change in the court’s membership would damage the court’s authority. Indeed, Justice Sonia Sotomayor said, doing so would pose an existential threat.
“Will this institution survive the stench that this creates in the public perception that the Constitution and its reading are just political acts?” she asked.
“If people actually believe that it’s all political, how will we survive?” she asked. “How will the court survive?”
The leak of the draft opinion sent a jolt through Washington Monday night. The revelations from the draft opinion once again place the nine justices at the center of one of the most contentious issues in American life.
But the leak may also be the starting gun on a fierce, new political debate even before the justices issue a final ruling.
Conservatives who oppose abortion rights quickly hailed Justice Alito’s conclusions as the correct ones for the country, praising him for legal reasoning that they have been arguing for decades in the court of public opinion.
“We don’t know whether rumors of the end of Roe are accurate yet, but we know that ending Roe is the right decision, returning the issue to ‘we the people’ from a few judges with an agenda,” said Kristan Hawkins, the president of Students for Life of America. “You won’t find ‘abortion’ written in invisible ink in the Constitution, undiscovered until seven men saw it in 1973. Ending preborn human life is and has always been a judicial error.”
Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, tweeted Monday night that “Roe was egregiously wrong from the beginning & I pray the Court follows the Constitution & allows the states to once again protect unborn life.”
But he also assailed the leak of the draft opinion, saying the Supreme Court and the Justice Department “must get to the bottom of this leak immediately using every investigative tool necessary.”
Democratic lawmakers and liberal activists also criticized the leak. But many quickly seized on the news as a prime reason that voters should support Democrats in the fall elections.
“If this report is true, this Republican attack on abortion access, birth control and women’s health care has dramatically escalated the stakes of the 2022 election,” said Christie Roberts, the executive director of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. “At this critical moment, we must protect and expand Democrats’ Senate majority with the power to confirm or reject Supreme Court justices.”
Cecile Richards, who served as president of Planned Parenthood from 2006 to 2018, as Congress and state legislatures ramped up restrictions on reproductive health, said that “ending legal abortion will not end abortion. It simply will mean that women are no longer safe in this country, and that lies at the feet of the Republican Party.”
On Twitter Monday night, the news generated a debate about which political party might benefit from the early revelation of the court’s possible decision. Many argued that Democrats would use the report to energize their core voters.
Senator Patty Murray, Democrat of Washington and a member of her party’s leadership in the Senate, promised to do just that.
“After ringing these alarms for years now, it’s time to break the glass,” she wrote in a statement. “We need to fight back with everything we’ve got right now. The right to abortion is on the line, and I’ll never stop fighting to protect it.”
Thoughts? Apart from, ya know, screw women, right?
Get yer coat hangers ready.
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
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vasectomy time
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
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Cali is, as always, on point.
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Abortion rights activists and Democrats in California have been planning for months in anticipation of a Roe v. Wade reversal. Bills expanding access, protecting abortion providers from out-of-state lawsuits and underwriting travel for patients are pending, with abortion demand expected to rise by as much as 3,000 percent in the state.
I wonder what will happen when pennsyltucky bans traveling out of state and makes it a felony...can states refuse extradition?
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They'll ban those next.
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
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Wait a minute.......
After 15 years?
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
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22 states have bills that will automatically ban abortions if Roe is overturned. They look like mostly the shitty states though there are a few surprises.

The leak has been confirmed by SCOTUS by the way. Usually they are super tight, so a leak there is huge.
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Amazon employee benefits now cover up to 4K per year for travel expenses for medical procedures not available nearby, including abortions and gender reassignment.
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That sounds like they don't cover, ya know, the expensive part. The actual medical stuff.
Of course, that also leads to the Disney possibility of Republicans specifically targeting companies that do that.
Edit: I mean the forced birthers aren't gonna stop here, they have explicitly called for a federal ban and a constitutional amendment, they're not going to actually leave it up to the states.
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
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To get the benefit you have to be enrolled in their Blue Cross or Aetna plans. It covers elective abortion.
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Interesting.
That just leaves the Disney gambit, then. Will Amazon keep it when Republicans decide to charge them extra taxes for their insolence?
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Kryptos said: Cali is, as always, on point.
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Abortion rights activists and Democrats in California have been planning for months in anticipation of a Roe v. Wade reversal. Bills expanding access, protecting abortion providers from out-of-state lawsuits and underwriting travel for patients are pending, with abortion demand expected to rise by as much as 3,000 percent in the state.
I wonder what will happen when pennsyltucky bans traveling out of state and makes it a felony...can states refuse extradition?
The problem with this is that, historically, middle/upper class people have always had access to abortions, it’s part of what took Roe so long to actually happen. And the same thing has been happening for years now as it’s been slowly chipped away at in red states. The dozen or so solid blue states will pass laws enshrining abortion rights, and the coastal liberals will rest easy knowing their state did the right thing, and chastise the poor folk in red states for not voting hard enough.
Obama promised to codify Roe, didn’t do it. Then RBG refuses to retire. Then they let McConnell steal a seat from them. Then liberals lose the Court after the Dems work really hard to lose to Trump. Then Biden gets a majority and promises to codify Roe, doesn’t do it.
And now the Democrats will tell you, on the eve of the midterms, that you have to give them money and vote for them so they can protect Roe. Biden will send $50B to Kiev for abortion clinics before the Democrats decide to act on abortion, because it’s a guaranteed fundraising tool. Fuck, RIGHT NOW, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are endorsing a pro-life Democrat man in Texas over a pro choice woman. It’s a game to these people.
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: Interesting.
That just leaves the Disney gambit, then. Will Amazon keep it when Republicans decide to charge them extra taxes for their insolence?
Both parties are threatening to make Amazon start paying some real taxes. I think the Democrats have talked about it more. We shall see. Amazon seems to have gone whole hog left on a lot of social issues, (as are other new big capital companies). They can afford it. The second Staten Island warehouse just voted down the union, so they have crushed that momentum for a while.
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Idk about crushed momentum, there is a surge of both unionization and public approval of unions lately.
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It took them this long to do the right thing. I'll be glad to see it overturned. This will pave the way for some real reform to protect women's rights.
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There are many options, and Democrats are willing to do none of them.
They won’t get rid of the filibuster. They won’t codify Roe into law. They won’t pack the Court.
I guess their hands are tied and just forced to fundraise off women’s rights until the end of time.
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Should we start the Bye Bye Obergefell v. Hodges thread now or just a wait a year?
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This will further the atmosphere of sobriety in red states that will be very attractive to businesses, as they continue to flee the looters and social instability of blue states.
The leftists, looking to loot and burn businesses, like the scum of the earth bastard bitches they are, will meet a wall of lead if they come to Tennessee looking for booty.
Get that trash out of my backyard.
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Tennessee is 33 in school ranking, 37th in healthcare access, 35th wealthiest, 3rd highest in violent crime.
Not sure what you are up to, but Tennessee is pretty much shit. It is the trash in the backyard.
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Get that trash out of my front yard needs to be y'all's catch phrase . I just got back from there , drove all over Tennessee, Arkansas , and Kentucky and I tell you what the front yard junkyard is super common . Are they going to steal your old worn out confederate flag ? I live in one of the bluest parts of one of the bluest states and I haven't seen any looting or businesses burning . Further the atmosphere of sobriety ? Have you been to Nashville , I bought vape pens and cannabis gummies off the street while people got wasted screamed save a horses ride a cowboy in a bar behind me .
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Enlil]
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I don’t. Who do you have in mind for enacting real reform for women’s rights? Or are you content with the road simply being paved?
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Hartford said: This will further the atmosphere of sobriety in red states that will be very attractive to businesses, as they continue to flee the looters and social instability of blue states.
The leftists, looking to loot and burn businesses, like the scum of the earth bastard bitches they are, will meet a wall of lead if they come to Tennessee looking for booty.
Get that trash out of my backyard.
Well, that explains why Tennessee has such a high violent crime rate. Good old good guys with guns.
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I'm not sure if Obergefell or Griswold will go first. Bets?
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Kryptos said: Interesting.
That just leaves the Disney gambit, then. Will Amazon keep it when Republicans decide to charge them extra taxes for their insolence?
Both parties are threatening to make Amazon start paying some real taxes. I think the Democrats have talked about it more. We shall see. Amazon seems to have gone whole hog left on a lot of social issues, (as are other new big capital companies). They can afford it. The second Staten Island warehouse just voted down the union, so they have crushed that momentum for a while.
I think there's something to be said for the reasoning behind the taxation, which is the important difference. While I generally support raising taxes on corporations across the board, I do not support the punitive taxation imposed on Disney by the Florida GOP. They made it pretty clear that they dissolved the RCID because Disney paused political contributions to the GOP after the gay ban.
That is pretty clear extortion by the state, which smells a lot like my old USSR/shortly after the collapse days.
I guess something similar applies to the book bans/CRT bans spreading throughout the red states too. Cancelling/boycotting might be obnoxious, but it isn't state sponsored. The GOP is using state power to crush dissent.
Well, anti-BDS legislation seemed to fly, so...
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Enlil said: Why would you expect the dems to do anything?
I don’t. Who do you have in mind for enacting real reform for women’s rights? Or are you content with the road simply being paved?
At this point, this is a good step. In 20 to 30 years, I think we'll see some real strong protections for women.
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Not sure what you are up to, but Tennessee is pretty much shit. It is the trash in the backyard.
Human trafficking is pretty bad there I hear
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Abortion is a wedge issue. Same as anything else the so called politicians use in their ads. None of that even matters, at all. When the aridity around the equator, the fires, the ice melt- to sum it up the displacement of peoples- gets so bad it can no longer be ignored or sidelined in the first world countries...then they will promise to do something about all that too. No one is coming to save us.
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whatever happened to a flight of stairs? Oh, yeah, Joe Rogan happened.
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Don't get me wrong, and don't forget the coat hangers. We should all rejoice that so many Americans are happy to be rid of their spawn.
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Are we collectively too uneducated about the prevention measures or consequences of cumming? Or maybe we're just too lazy/selfish or systemically unprepared to deal with the task of raising babies?
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Enlil said: Why would you expect the dems to do anything?
I don’t. Who do you have in mind for enacting real reform for women’s rights? Or are you content with the road simply being paved?
At this point, this is a good step. In 20 to 30 years, I think we'll see some real strong protections for women.
How many such sacrifices shall we make for the eventual greater good?
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Nothing wrong with horse medicine, anybody that's ever lived below the poverty line in the US knows that Petco doubles as a pharmacy if you can calculate dosages.
It's just that ivermectin is stupid because it doesn't cure covid. If you need amoxicillin, the human version has a medical markup and the fish version does not.
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Both, actually, brought to you by GOP hostility towards sex education and welfare, respectively.
You're right about the coat hangers and the stairs, though. Abortions will still happen, they'll just be significantly more dangerous. As inserting coat hangers into a uterus hard enough to poke through the embryo tends to poke through the uterus. And throwing people down stairs is a classic "oops, I killed him by accident!" trope on TV.
Of course, the GOP is taking the next steps here, too. Any sort of baby loss is potentially criminal. Like this lady, who was criminally charged for having a miscarriage. Here's a lady that got charged with manslaughter because she got shot, which resulted in a miscarriage. The guy that shot her? Perfectly fine, yo. It was self defense. Here is a woman charged with feticide for falling down the stairs, by the way.
1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage. And that's likely an undercount, because most miscarriages look like a heavy period.
Without Roe v Wade, getting pregnant is potentially a 1 in 4 chance of being charged with murder. If there's one thing that craters birthrates, that would probably be number 1. Probably explains part of why the GOP isn't all that cool about sex ed.
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Yeah but this stuff actually works. Covidiots were eating completely useless horse paste.
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You're right about the coat hangers and the stairs, though. Abortions will still happen, they'll just be significantly more dangerous. As inserting coat hangers into a uterus hard enough to poke through the embryo tends to poke through the uterus. And throwing people down stairs is a classic "oops, I killed him by accident!" trope on TV.
Actually access to the most common abortion method will still be available nationwide regardless. At home abortion pills can be ordered online and sent by mail.
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Yeah, and how long do you think that's gonna last? Those are already becoming illegal. Once the nationwide ban gets enacted in 2025, you'll have to deal with customs.
Here's an interesting though experiment: a black man rapes and impregnates a white (nationalist) Republican senator's daughter. Does he pick the mullato grandkid and plant cotton, or does he send his kid to jail for not giving birth?
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No he gets the abortion just like every Republican has done forever.
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So it has to be a very public rape.
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It’s kinda strange, I know a ton of the people saying “there are consequences fer yer actions!!!1!” when talking about women engaging in something as animalistic as sex would 100% get a liver transplant to postpone their dingdong induced NAFLD. The type of people to claim that humans aren’t animals and are responsible for overcoming the situation they’re born into, no matter how tragic.
A HUMAN LIFE SHOULD NOT BE A CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR EXECUTIVE FUNCTION SLIPPING UP. You think women who don’t want a kid are gonna see that crooked russet after it rips them from their V to their A and think “I love u lil tater tot”? Nah bro that’s how you get a nation of Casey Anthony’s
I’m a dude but I know for a fact that if I had a kid he’d (or she’d) be a miserable sumbitch. You know why? Because I am. Why would you want to push that onto someone? That’s just continuing the cycle of suffering
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
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Are we collectively too uneducated about the prevention measures or consequences of cumming? Or maybe we're just too lazy/selfish or systemically unprepared to deal with the task of raising babies
If you have a child with a woman there's no guarantee some other guy won't raise it . Child support payments typically start at 25% of your yearly income . I imagine most men don't think this change can affect them .
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Why would you expect the dems to do anything?
I don’t. Who do you have in mind for enacting real reform for women’s rights? Or are you content with the road simply being paved?
At this point, this is a good step. In 20 to 30 years, I think we'll see some real strong protections for women.
Via the legislature or the Court?
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What do we do when the filibuster gets removed in 2025 to pass a nationwide ban on abortion?
And then reinstated?
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I don't see how that can happen without amending the constitution.
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Removing a filibuster?
Constitutional amendment banning abortion is the next step after one of the several bills making the rounds through congress banning abortion passes.
This shit is not even remotely close to over.
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The right wing outrage about the leak is pretty hilarious. They are all calling for prosecution of the leaker but have no legal grounds to stand on.
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Constitutional amendment banning abortion is the next step after one of the several bills making the rounds through congress banning abortion passes.
This shit is not even remotely close to over.
I don't see how removing a filibuster gives Congress the power to ban abortion nationwide. Congress can't even ban prostitution nationwide. FFS, Congress can't even ban murder nationwide.
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I don’t see the right attempting a federal ban. Reversing Roe has been the project because it leaves it to the states, which they control a great deal of. Anything further might provoke an atmosphere where the Court loses legitimacy, opening up other horrors. The system as it stands, the undemocratic bicameral legislature with the shitty voting access, gerrymandered maps, and corrupt judiciary, benefits the right. They’re not gonna risk blowing that up over a few rabid evangelicals. They’ve reversed Roe and left it to the states, they did the thing.
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“There’s not the votes for a federal abortion ban at this point, but I think every child is valuable and I think we will get there eventually,”
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If the court makes the right decision and strikes down Roe, the result would not be that abortion would be illegal everywhere,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said. “In bright blue states like California and New York, at least in the short term, abortion almost surely would remain universally available. In redder states like my home state of Texas, we would see more significant restrictions.
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One top advocate, Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the antiabortion group Susan B. Anthony List, has spoken privately with 10 possible Republican presidential contenders, including former president Donald Trump, to talk through national antiabortion strategy. Most of them, she said in an interview, assured her they would be supportive of a national ban and would be eager to make that policy a centerpiece of a presidential campaign.
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Republicans will probably mobilize around certain bills that have already been introduced, including restrictions on minors traveling across state lines for abortions, said Rep. Mike Johnson (R-La.), who has proposed such a bill.
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Several abortion bans have already been introduced in Congress. A six-week abortion ban has been introduced in the House, by Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.)
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In her letter to Republican members of Congress, Hawkins describes Mississippi’s 15-week ban as a tool that “served [its] purpose in leading us to where we are today.”
“But at this pivotal moment in which almost anything is possible, it’s crucial to establish the difference between a previous tactic (such as limiting abortion at 15 weeks) and our goals or current strategies,” the letter says.
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“That will all be part of what happens next,” he said.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Amendment
There's a reason they're screaming about the leak, and that's because they don't want people to pay attention to the upcoming ban. If you think they won't get rid of the filibuster to pass a nationwide ban, you're stupid. You think the ones that are smart enough to dodge questions and avoid quotes think there shouldn't be a nationwide ban?
Edit: Marsha Blackburn just announced that Griswold is "constitutionally shaky", so if you think access to birth control is gonna save you, well, try again.
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If you think they won't get rid of the filibuster to pass a nationwide ban, you're stupid.
You're predicting the Republican party will get rid of the filibuster?
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When Molech's gruesome valley of slaughter is off of our territory, we can see the repercussions of that folly, as if it were in a petri dish, and we will have the evidence to encourage women to make better decisions about who they mate with. And the scumbags won't feel so hot. But they shouldn't feel so hot. So repent.
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The Ecstatic said: I don’t see the right attempting a federal ban. Reversing Roe has been the project because it leaves it to the states, which they control a great deal of. Anything further might provoke an atmosphere where the Court loses legitimacy, opening up other horrors. The system as it stands, the undemocratic bicameral legislature with the shitty voting access, gerrymandered maps, and corrupt judiciary, benefits the right. They’re not gonna risk blowing that up over a few rabid evangelicals. They’ve reversed Roe and left it to the states, they did the thing.
I agree, and I also don't think they will get away with travel bans on pregnant women to get to "abortion friendly" states. Right wing politicians are going to announce many initiatives to play up to their constituencies. A travel ban would be unconstitutional and I don't think even this Supreme Court wants to get that extreme. Some states will make a big play to stop abortion pills through the mail, but I don't think it makes a big difference whether they can do that legally or not. It has always been relatively easy to order illegal things through the mail from overseas, so without the burden and time delay of going through customs, it should be an open pipeline.
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A travel ban will just never happen. Missouri attempted to pass a law that would let any citizen sue a citizen that aided in an abortion. Pretty scary, but a travel ban would never stand.
Assuming there is no replacement for Roe and abortions do get widely banned, many of these states are going to get even poorer yet. It's not going to be pretty, economically speaking. The irony is real, there's nothing quite like even greater inequality to prove how much all lives matter.
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The great majority of women getting abortions in the U.S. are young and making less than the defined poverty line, so yeah, more inequality and more generations of poverty.
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Abortion isn't murder. That is beyond stupid. Not feeding a starving man isn't murder. Not giving a free incubator to a fetus isn't murder. The whole concept is stupid, and you should be ashamed of yourself for believing in mystical sky faeries.
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The Ecstatic said: I don’t see the right attempting a federal ban. Reversing Roe has been the project because it leaves it to the states, which they control a great deal of. Anything further might provoke an atmosphere where the Court loses legitimacy, opening up other horrors. The system as it stands, the undemocratic bicameral legislature with the shitty voting access, gerrymandered maps, and corrupt judiciary, benefits the right. They’re not gonna risk blowing that up over a few rabid evangelicals. They’ve reversed Roe and left it to the states, they did the thing.
I agree, and I also don't think they will get away with travel bans on pregnant women to get to "abortion friendly" states. Right wing politicians are going to announce many initiatives to play up to their constituencies. A travel ban would be unconstitutional and I don't think even this Supreme Court wants to get that extreme. Some states will make a big play to stop abortion pills through the mail, but I don't think it makes a big difference whether they can do that legally or not. It has always been relatively easy to order illegal things through the mail from overseas, so without the burden and time delay of going through customs, it should be an open pipeline.
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Assuming there is no replacement for Roe and abortions do get widely banned, many of these states are going to get even poorer yet. It's not going to be pretty, economically speaking. The irony is real, there's nothing quite like even greater inequality to prove how much all lives matter.
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Dewd, but when women take the plan B pill bc the condom slipped/broke they may as well be shooting a baby in the face with an AK .
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A travel ban would wreck the American system. It cannot happen, otherwise we end up in a "papers please" authoritarian situation. I suppose many conservatives would cheer for that up until their guns got taken.
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christopera said: A travel ban would wreck the American system. It cannot happen, otherwise we end up in a "papers please" authoritarian situation. I suppose many conservatives would cheer for that up until their guns got taken.
I'm not imagining a checkpoint system (yet), but a travel ban for pregnant women specifically ("for her and her unborn child's medical safety"), which exists as a rarely enforced stick, combined with a Texas style vigilante law to inflict financial pain seems very probable.
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That remains hard to enforce without some sort of border situation. There are women having toilet babies and all of a sudden we have the accountability to know when somebody heads out of state for an abortion.
It seems unlikely.
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The question of enforcement is secondary.
This isn't going to be one of those laws that's applied universally, this is going to be part of the playbook for when someone they don't like does something.
Bit like that Arizona papers law for suspected illegals: it's not meant to be enforced, but to provide an additional pretext for fucking with people.
Enforcement will likely take place through the bounty system developed by Texas.
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Marco Rubio just floated a bill that would remove tax incentives from companies that pay for abortion related travel or any sort of transgender care for their employees.
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Another consideration: data tracking. Your phone knows everything you do. Absolutely everything. Your phone knows when you're walking, your phone knows when you're talking, your phone knows if you're driving, your phone knows if you're sleeping. Based on what you type into your phone, your phone knows what you are thinking. Your phone knows if you've been bad or good.
Your phone is basically Santa Claus.
Or course, app makers know this, and generally track...everything. If it's free, you're the product, right? Well, your data sure is.
There was that story not that long ago where a very nosy religious publication decided to buy up a bunch of tracking data, and identified and outed a gay high ranking priest using that tracking data, leading to his firing.
That's probably going to be the future of post-roe anti-abortion enforcement. You're going to have people that buy up reams of personal data for women of childbearing age, then they're going to track them and flag them for suspicion of abortions, even out of state. After that, they'll track them a bit more, long enough to positively ID the individual from the anonymized database, and then they'll forward that evidence either to law enforcement, or more likely, a friendly anti-abortion crusader lawyer who will start suing.
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Lots of hysterical projection going on! It's growing like a hurricane.
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot says this is a "call to arms"
But that's not encouraging violence it is? Nope. Free pass
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Every time I take a call I use my arms.
It is a little silly how much gun related language has pervaded our society. Nobody takes it seriously right up until some crazy dude shoots up a school.
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Kryptos said: Another consideration: data tracking. Your phone knows everything you do. Absolutely everything. Your phone knows when you're walking, your phone knows when you're talking, your phone knows if you're driving, your phone knows if you're sleeping. Based on what you type into your phone, your phone knows what you are thinking. Your phone knows if you've been bad or good.
Your phone is basically Santa Claus.
An old post tailored to anarchist security culture, but still relevant:
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Never turn off the phone: A new approach to security culture
In the 80s, an anarchist who wanted, for example, to burn some building, developed his/her plan and at the same time looked to see if there were no listening devices in his/her house. In the late 90s, the same anarchist turned off the phone and used encrypted traffic on the Internet. In the 2020s, we need to reconsider our strategy, intelligence gathering has improved and we must also take this into account.
To begin with, let’s see how big data analysis is used. To do this, we need to talk about 3 things: metadata, templates and networks. It seems boring and difficult, but I am not a technician, and I will not bore you with technical language, I will make it as simple as possible.
Metadata: In the context of online activity, “content” means “the message you sent”, and “metadata” means “everything except the content”. So, for example, if you send a text about lunch to your friend, the content may be “Let’s go on lunch”, and the metadata may be “Message sent 01/04/2018 11.32 from 0478239055 to 079726823 using Signal”.
This information is recorded by your phone, even if the application encrypts your actual message. Your metadata is very poorly protected by technology and very poorly protected by law. No matter what country you are in, the majority of your metadata is freely available to special services, regardless of whether you are suspected of something.
Templates: Whether you realize this or not, your metadata has a template. If you have daily work, you can have a very consistent pattern, if there is no such work, your template may be more flexible, but you have a template. If someone wants to know the rhythm of your day, they can do it very easily, because your template is in metadata.
For example: Maybe you use Wi-Fi in your favorite bar on most Sunday nights until midnight, you wake up around 10 am and check your Signal, you use your public transport card to get to class every Monday afternoon, and you spend an average of 1 hour per tumblr twice a day. All this is part of your template.
Network: You have an online network. Your friends on facebook, the people in your phone’s address book, the dropbox you are sharing with your colleagues, everyone who bought online tickets for the same punk band that you attended, people using the same WiFi points as you. Take your networks, combine them with the networks of other people, and the clusters will manifest themselves. Your working community, your family, your activist scene, etc.
If you are in the anarchist community, it is likely to be quite obvious from all of your small network connections, such as visiting one band and knowing the same people as other anarchists. Even if you have never clicked on an anarchist facebook page or didn’t click the go button on the anarchist facebook event, your network is hard to hide.
Now, let’s say you committed a crime, one that would lead to a serious investigation.
Suppose that on Sunday at 3 am, you and your friends go out and burn the house of the Nazis. (Of course, I would never advise any of you to do something like this.) Obviously, the anarchists did, but there are no other clues. You are using a traditional safety culture: you burn records, you try not to communicate your plans near technology and you leave no physical traces.
But since you committed a crime that night, your metadata will be very different from your usual rhythm: you stay in your usual bar until 2 am to wait for your friends, you will not wake up at 10 am and check your Signal or you will Tumblr only in for an hour of the day. You do not go to class. Your metadata template is very different from your regular template. Your friends metadata models are different too. If one of you is clumsy, they can generate a super suspicious metadata signal, for example, the phone turns off at 2.30 at night and is activated at 4 am. You are not the first here.
If I wanted to solve this crime using data analysis, then I would do the following:
• allow a piece of software to analyze the patterns of the local anarchist scene to identify the 300 people most associated with the anarchic scene;
• allow the second piece of software to analyze the metadata samples of these 300 people in recent months and identify the biggest metadata changes on Sunday evening, as well as any very suspicious metadata activity;
• Exclude variations of the pattern with an obvious reason or an obvious alibi (people who are on vacation, people who are in the hospital, people who have lost their job, etc.);
• Would conduct a more in-depth study of those who remained.
That’s right, from the huge number of people I could not listen to at the same time, I can quickly identify a few in order to closely monitor them. So I could find and catch you.
And now what?
If a traditional safety culture will not protect us as before, how do we adapt? Well, I have no answers, but for a start I would say: know your network + know your template.
In the case of the example above: leave the bar at midnight, go back home and put the phone on the bedside table. Check the apps you usually check before bedtime and set the alarm for 10 am. Return to the bar without a phone. Wake up at 10 in the morning and check your Signal. Drag yourself to class or ask a friend to travel with your travel card and do not use technology in your home while a friend travels with your travel card to class. Stick to your template. Never turn off the phone.
You can also manipulate your network, but it is much more difficult to do. Do not use the smartphone in general and abandon all social activity on the Internet – this requires serious motivation. Knowing your data template and making sure that it looks ordinary is much easier.
Some of the old rules will still apply: do not talk about crime around devices with microphones, do not brag after successful actions, etc. Other rules, such as “turning off the phone when planning illegal actions”, need to be changed because their metadata looks too unusual. No one else disconnects your phone. We look suspicious when we do this.
This is just one idea on how we could update our safety culture. Perhaps there are other people with different, better ideas about updating our safety culture. If we start a conversation, we can get somewhere.
Finally: we need to continue to adapt
As technology changes, more information emerges, including data that we have very little control over. Smart-TV and advertising in public places that listen to every word that we speak, and the tone of our voice when we speak, these are examples. Currently, data analysis projects use license plate reading software to compare vehicle traffic patterns. It says a lot that they may soon be ready to do the same with facial recognition, after which the presence of our face in the public space will become part of our metadata. Additional information means more accurate data analysis. Our metadata may soon be too extensive, which is too difficult to fully reflect and mirror. This means that we will need to adapt our counter measures if we want to hide something.
How do we keep all this under the radar? I don’t know. But let’s try to understand this shit. These are some first thoughts on how a safety culture should look like in an era of modern analysis of large data sets, and I would be very happy to receive additions from comrades who have thoughts on this.
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Lots of hysterical projection going on! It's growing like a hurricane.
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot says this is a "call to arms"
But that's not encouraging violence it is? Nope. Free pass
Forced birthers have shot up clinics, bombed clinics, one of their martyrs famously walked into a church during sunday service and shot a doctor in the head...and only now are we concerned about violence? Because of some words?
Lol, I don't condone violence. Thoughts and prayers!
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Just "some words"?
I thought inciting violence was very very naughty behavior.
Isn't Trump about to be thrown in prison for just "some words"?
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Trump incited a riot
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RJ Tubs 202



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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: koods]
#27772681 - 05/11/22 01:33 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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If you thought Jan 6th was a violent riot, you ignored the thousands of BLM terrorists.
Notice how CNN and NBC always edit out when Trump told everyone to "peacefully protest"
I am excited about the Jan 6th hearings about to begin. Here comes the clowns!
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RJ Tubs 202 said: If you thought Jan 6th was a violent riot, you ignored the thousands of BLM terrorists.
Even for you, that's a pretty dumb whataboutism
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koods
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RJ Tubs 202 said: If you thought Jan 6th was a violent riot, you ignored the thousands of BLM terrorists.
Notice how CNN and NBC always edit out when Trump told everyone to "peacefully protest"
I am excited about the Jan 6th hearings about to begin. Here comes the clowns! 
BLM wasn’t president
January 6th was a riot for Donald Trump
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Edited by koods (05/11/22 03:24 PM)
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Kryptos
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Just "some words"?
I thought inciting violence was very very naughty behavior.
What violence?
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tyrannicalrex
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That's you in your avvy isn't it?
Been through 3 abortions (that I know of) and every single one of them were agreed on by me and the woman and their parents. I thank the gods of whatever made that happen every single time I think about how FUCKED my life would have been had I/we had those babies. I have NO regrets about ANY of them and am the happiest I've ever been in my life. The life I have now would have NEVER been possible if I had made any other decision. I wouldn't be a nurse and helping people right now had I chose those babies.
If the god people say what if the baby grows up to cure cancer why can't the opposite be true? What if it grows up to be the most prolific serial killer in the world? What if it grows up to blow up the planet? Is that gods will? What about the fact that god gave the mind and soul to the person who invented a safe way to abort babies in the 1st place? Isn't that gods will? I'll say it again. Trisomy 21 was invented for many reasons and every single pregnant person in the world should have the screening and then abort those babies.
Abortion is healthcare, period. (pun intended)
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Psilynut2
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If the state is going to force me and my girl to have a baby then I should be able to claim the fetus and even the fertilized embryo on my tax return .
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Enlil
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Claim them as what?
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Kryptos
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Enlil]
#27780301 - 05/16/22 01:46 PM (2 years, 3 days ago) |
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A dependent, obviously.
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Mach z 800
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The Ecstatic said: There are many options, and Democrats are willing to do none of them.
They won’t get rid of the filibuster. They won’t codify Roe into law. They won’t pack the Court.
I guess their hands are tied and just forced to fundraise off women’s rights until the end of time.
they can only do so much to keep both sides of there party satisfied.
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Mach z 800
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Psilynut2 said: If the state is going to force me and my girl to have a baby then I should be able to claim the fetus and even the fertilized embryo on my tax return .
man i definitely don't want kids im good on that lol. Remember when in doubt pull out 🤣 or dont be fool wrapp your tool.
Edited by Mach z 800 (05/16/22 03:11 PM)
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Even if they don't enact laws like the one Missouri trying to pass, a lot of women still won't have the means to travel the distance needed to get care.
This article shows the distance women will have to travel to get care depending what state they live in.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/05/abortion-deserts-clinics-access-closed-map
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QContinuumJudge
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Just wait for the stories to start rolling in of women who’ve died, babies born with terrible disabilities from failed at-home abortions, and politicians paying lip service to their side.
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tyrannicalrex
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LIST OF POSSIBLE SLOGANS PROMOTING NATIONAL CONDOM WEEK
1. Cover your stump before you hump. 2. Before you attack her, wrap your wacker. 3. Don't be silly, protect your willy. 4. When in doubt, shroud your spout. 5. Don't be a loner, cover your boner. 6. You can't go wrong if you shield your dong. 7. If you're not going to sack it, go home and whack it. 8. If you think she's spunky, cover your monkey. 9. If you slip between her thighs, be sure to condomize. 10. It will be sweeter if you wrap your peter. 11. She won't get sick if you wrap your dick. 12. If you go into heat, package your meat. 13. While you're undressing venus, dress up your penis. 14. When you take off her pants and blouse, suit up your trouser mouse. 15. Especially in December, gift wrap your member. 16. Never, never deck her with an unwrapped pecker. 17. Don't be a fool, vulcanize your tool. 18. The right selection -- protect your erection. 19. Wrap it in foil before checking her oil. 20. A crank with armor will never harm her. 21. If you really love her, wear a cover. 22. Sex is cleaner with a packaged wiener. 23. Don't make a mistake, cover your snake. 24. If you can't shield your rocket, leave it in your pocket. 25. No glove -- no love.
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