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christopera said: A travel ban would wreck the American system. It cannot happen, otherwise we end up in a "papers please" authoritarian situation. I suppose many conservatives would cheer for that up until their guns got taken.
I'm not imagining a checkpoint system (yet), but a travel ban for pregnant women specifically ("for her and her unborn child's medical safety"), which exists as a rarely enforced stick, combined with a Texas style vigilante law to inflict financial pain seems very probable.
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
#27770912 - 05/10/22 09:13 AM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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That remains hard to enforce without some sort of border situation. There are women having toilet babies and all of a sudden we have the accountability to know when somebody heads out of state for an abortion.
It seems unlikely.
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The question of enforcement is secondary.
This isn't going to be one of those laws that's applied universally, this is going to be part of the playbook for when someone they don't like does something.
Bit like that Arizona papers law for suspected illegals: it's not meant to be enforced, but to provide an additional pretext for fucking with people.
Enforcement will likely take place through the bounty system developed by Texas.
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
#27771029 - 05/10/22 11:18 AM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Marco Rubio just floated a bill that would remove tax incentives from companies that pay for abortion related travel or any sort of transgender care for their employees.
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
#27772456 - 05/11/22 10:07 AM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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Another consideration: data tracking. Your phone knows everything you do. Absolutely everything. Your phone knows when you're walking, your phone knows when you're talking, your phone knows if you're driving, your phone knows if you're sleeping. Based on what you type into your phone, your phone knows what you are thinking. Your phone knows if you've been bad or good.
Your phone is basically Santa Claus.
Or course, app makers know this, and generally track...everything. If it's free, you're the product, right? Well, your data sure is.
There was that story not that long ago where a very nosy religious publication decided to buy up a bunch of tracking data, and identified and outed a gay high ranking priest using that tracking data, leading to his firing.
That's probably going to be the future of post-roe anti-abortion enforcement. You're going to have people that buy up reams of personal data for women of childbearing age, then they're going to track them and flag them for suspicion of abortions, even out of state. After that, they'll track them a bit more, long enough to positively ID the individual from the anonymized database, and then they'll forward that evidence either to law enforcement, or more likely, a friendly anti-abortion crusader lawyer who will start suing.
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
#27772464 - 05/11/22 10:16 AM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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Lots of hysterical projection going on! It's growing like a hurricane.
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot says this is a "call to arms"
But that's not encouraging violence it is? Nope. Free pass
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Every time I take a call I use my arms.
It is a little silly how much gun related language has pervaded our society. Nobody takes it seriously right up until some crazy dude shoots up a school.
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
#27772481 - 05/11/22 10:27 AM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: Another consideration: data tracking. Your phone knows everything you do. Absolutely everything. Your phone knows when you're walking, your phone knows when you're talking, your phone knows if you're driving, your phone knows if you're sleeping. Based on what you type into your phone, your phone knows what you are thinking. Your phone knows if you've been bad or good.
Your phone is basically Santa Claus.
An old post tailored to anarchist security culture, but still relevant:
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Never turn off the phone: A new approach to security culture
In the 80s, an anarchist who wanted, for example, to burn some building, developed his/her plan and at the same time looked to see if there were no listening devices in his/her house. In the late 90s, the same anarchist turned off the phone and used encrypted traffic on the Internet. In the 2020s, we need to reconsider our strategy, intelligence gathering has improved and we must also take this into account.
To begin with, let’s see how big data analysis is used. To do this, we need to talk about 3 things: metadata, templates and networks. It seems boring and difficult, but I am not a technician, and I will not bore you with technical language, I will make it as simple as possible.
Metadata: In the context of online activity, “content” means “the message you sent”, and “metadata” means “everything except the content”. So, for example, if you send a text about lunch to your friend, the content may be “Let’s go on lunch”, and the metadata may be “Message sent 01/04/2018 11.32 from 0478239055 to 079726823 using Signal”.
This information is recorded by your phone, even if the application encrypts your actual message. Your metadata is very poorly protected by technology and very poorly protected by law. No matter what country you are in, the majority of your metadata is freely available to special services, regardless of whether you are suspected of something.
Templates: Whether you realize this or not, your metadata has a template. If you have daily work, you can have a very consistent pattern, if there is no such work, your template may be more flexible, but you have a template. If someone wants to know the rhythm of your day, they can do it very easily, because your template is in metadata.
For example: Maybe you use Wi-Fi in your favorite bar on most Sunday nights until midnight, you wake up around 10 am and check your Signal, you use your public transport card to get to class every Monday afternoon, and you spend an average of 1 hour per tumblr twice a day. All this is part of your template.
Network: You have an online network. Your friends on facebook, the people in your phone’s address book, the dropbox you are sharing with your colleagues, everyone who bought online tickets for the same punk band that you attended, people using the same WiFi points as you. Take your networks, combine them with the networks of other people, and the clusters will manifest themselves. Your working community, your family, your activist scene, etc.
If you are in the anarchist community, it is likely to be quite obvious from all of your small network connections, such as visiting one band and knowing the same people as other anarchists. Even if you have never clicked on an anarchist facebook page or didn’t click the go button on the anarchist facebook event, your network is hard to hide.
Now, let’s say you committed a crime, one that would lead to a serious investigation.
Suppose that on Sunday at 3 am, you and your friends go out and burn the house of the Nazis. (Of course, I would never advise any of you to do something like this.) Obviously, the anarchists did, but there are no other clues. You are using a traditional safety culture: you burn records, you try not to communicate your plans near technology and you leave no physical traces.
But since you committed a crime that night, your metadata will be very different from your usual rhythm: you stay in your usual bar until 2 am to wait for your friends, you will not wake up at 10 am and check your Signal or you will Tumblr only in for an hour of the day. You do not go to class. Your metadata template is very different from your regular template. Your friends metadata models are different too. If one of you is clumsy, they can generate a super suspicious metadata signal, for example, the phone turns off at 2.30 at night and is activated at 4 am. You are not the first here.
If I wanted to solve this crime using data analysis, then I would do the following:
• allow a piece of software to analyze the patterns of the local anarchist scene to identify the 300 people most associated with the anarchic scene;
• allow the second piece of software to analyze the metadata samples of these 300 people in recent months and identify the biggest metadata changes on Sunday evening, as well as any very suspicious metadata activity;
• Exclude variations of the pattern with an obvious reason or an obvious alibi (people who are on vacation, people who are in the hospital, people who have lost their job, etc.);
• Would conduct a more in-depth study of those who remained.
That’s right, from the huge number of people I could not listen to at the same time, I can quickly identify a few in order to closely monitor them. So I could find and catch you.
And now what?
If a traditional safety culture will not protect us as before, how do we adapt? Well, I have no answers, but for a start I would say: know your network + know your template.
In the case of the example above: leave the bar at midnight, go back home and put the phone on the bedside table. Check the apps you usually check before bedtime and set the alarm for 10 am. Return to the bar without a phone. Wake up at 10 in the morning and check your Signal. Drag yourself to class or ask a friend to travel with your travel card and do not use technology in your home while a friend travels with your travel card to class. Stick to your template. Never turn off the phone.
You can also manipulate your network, but it is much more difficult to do. Do not use the smartphone in general and abandon all social activity on the Internet – this requires serious motivation. Knowing your data template and making sure that it looks ordinary is much easier.
Some of the old rules will still apply: do not talk about crime around devices with microphones, do not brag after successful actions, etc. Other rules, such as “turning off the phone when planning illegal actions”, need to be changed because their metadata looks too unusual. No one else disconnects your phone. We look suspicious when we do this.
This is just one idea on how we could update our safety culture. Perhaps there are other people with different, better ideas about updating our safety culture. If we start a conversation, we can get somewhere.
Finally: we need to continue to adapt
As technology changes, more information emerges, including data that we have very little control over. Smart-TV and advertising in public places that listen to every word that we speak, and the tone of our voice when we speak, these are examples. Currently, data analysis projects use license plate reading software to compare vehicle traffic patterns. It says a lot that they may soon be ready to do the same with facial recognition, after which the presence of our face in the public space will become part of our metadata. Additional information means more accurate data analysis. Our metadata may soon be too extensive, which is too difficult to fully reflect and mirror. This means that we will need to adapt our counter measures if we want to hide something.
How do we keep all this under the radar? I don’t know. But let’s try to understand this shit. These are some first thoughts on how a safety culture should look like in an era of modern analysis of large data sets, and I would be very happy to receive additions from comrades who have thoughts on this.
Also, feel free to distribute and redo this text without references.
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Lots of hysterical projection going on! It's growing like a hurricane.
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot says this is a "call to arms"
But that's not encouraging violence it is? Nope. Free pass
Forced birthers have shot up clinics, bombed clinics, one of their martyrs famously walked into a church during sunday service and shot a doctor in the head...and only now are we concerned about violence? Because of some words?
Lol, I don't condone violence. Thoughts and prayers!
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
#27772622 - 05/11/22 12:41 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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Just "some words"?
I thought inciting violence was very very naughty behavior.
Isn't Trump about to be thrown in prison for just "some words"?
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Trump incited a riot
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: koods]
#27772681 - 05/11/22 01:33 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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If you thought Jan 6th was a violent riot, you ignored the thousands of BLM terrorists.
Notice how CNN and NBC always edit out when Trump told everyone to "peacefully protest"
I am excited about the Jan 6th hearings about to begin. Here comes the clowns!
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RJ Tubs 202 said: If you thought Jan 6th was a violent riot, you ignored the thousands of BLM terrorists.
Even for you, that's a pretty dumb whataboutism
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RJ Tubs 202 said: If you thought Jan 6th was a violent riot, you ignored the thousands of BLM terrorists.
Notice how CNN and NBC always edit out when Trump told everyone to "peacefully protest"
I am excited about the Jan 6th hearings about to begin. Here comes the clowns! 
BLM wasn’t president
January 6th was a riot for Donald Trump
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Just "some words"?
I thought inciting violence was very very naughty behavior.
What violence?
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That's you in your avvy isn't it?
Been through 3 abortions (that I know of) and every single one of them were agreed on by me and the woman and their parents. I thank the gods of whatever made that happen every single time I think about how FUCKED my life would have been had I/we had those babies. I have NO regrets about ANY of them and am the happiest I've ever been in my life. The life I have now would have NEVER been possible if I had made any other decision. I wouldn't be a nurse and helping people right now had I chose those babies.
If the god people say what if the baby grows up to cure cancer why can't the opposite be true? What if it grows up to be the most prolific serial killer in the world? What if it grows up to blow up the planet? Is that gods will? What about the fact that god gave the mind and soul to the person who invented a safe way to abort babies in the 1st place? Isn't that gods will? I'll say it again. Trisomy 21 was invented for many reasons and every single pregnant person in the world should have the screening and then abort those babies.
Abortion is healthcare, period. (pun intended)
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If the state is going to force me and my girl to have a baby then I should be able to claim the fetus and even the fertilized embryo on my tax return .
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Claim them as what?
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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Enlil]
#27780301 - 05/16/22 01:46 PM (2 years, 3 days ago) |
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A dependent, obviously.
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The Ecstatic said: There are many options, and Democrats are willing to do none of them.
They won’t get rid of the filibuster. They won’t codify Roe into law. They won’t pack the Court.
I guess their hands are tied and just forced to fundraise off women’s rights until the end of time.
they can only do so much to keep both sides of there party satisfied.
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