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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Psilynut2]
    #27762536 - 05/04/22 09:15 AM (2 years, 15 days ago)

MRAs tend to aim at their own feet.

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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Enlil]
    #27762575 - 05/04/22 09:43 AM (2 years, 15 days ago)

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Why would you expect the dems to do anything?




I don’t. Who do you have in mind for enacting real reform for women’s rights? Or are you content with the road simply being paved?



At this point, this is a good step. In 20 to 30 years, I think we'll see some real strong protections for women.




Via the legislature or the Court?


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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27763614 - 05/04/22 09:59 PM (2 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27763635 - 05/04/22 10:13 PM (2 years, 14 days ago)

What do we do when the filibuster gets removed in 2025 to pass a nationwide ban on abortion?

And then reinstated?

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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27763642 - 05/04/22 10:15 PM (2 years, 14 days ago)

I don't see how that can happen without amending the constitution.


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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27763681 - 05/04/22 10:42 PM (2 years, 14 days ago)

Removing a filibuster?

Constitutional amendment banning abortion is the next step after one of the several bills making the rounds through congress banning abortion passes.

This shit is not even remotely close to over.

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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27763961 - 05/05/22 06:08 AM (2 years, 14 days ago)

The right wing outrage about the leak is pretty hilarious. They are all calling for prosecution of the leaker but have no legal grounds to stand on.


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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27764043 - 05/05/22 07:42 AM (2 years, 14 days ago)

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Removing a filibuster?

Constitutional amendment banning abortion is the next step after one of the several bills making the rounds through congress banning abortion passes.

This shit is not even remotely close to over.



I don't see how removing a filibuster gives Congress the power to ban abortion nationwide.  Congress can't even ban prostitution nationwide.  FFS, Congress can't even ban murder nationwide.


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    #27764128 - 05/05/22 09:11 AM (2 years, 14 days ago)

I don’t see the right attempting a federal ban. Reversing Roe has been the project because it leaves it to the states, which they control a great deal of. Anything further might provoke an atmosphere where the Court loses legitimacy, opening up other horrors. The system as it stands, the undemocratic bicameral legislature with the shitty voting access, gerrymandered maps, and corrupt judiciary, benefits the right. They’re not gonna risk blowing that up over a few rabid evangelicals. They’ve reversed Roe and left it to the states, they did the thing.


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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27764219 - 05/05/22 10:45 AM (2 years, 14 days ago)

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“There’s not the votes for a federal abortion ban at this point, but I think every child is valuable and I think we will get there eventually,”


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If the court makes the right decision and strikes down Roe, the result would not be that abortion would be illegal everywhere,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said. “In bright blue states like California and New York, at least in the short term, abortion almost surely would remain universally available. In redder states like my home state of Texas, we would see more significant restrictions.




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One top advocate, Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the antiabortion group Susan B. Anthony List, has spoken privately with 10 possible Republican presidential contenders, including former president Donald Trump, to talk through national antiabortion strategy. Most of them, she said in an interview, assured her they would be supportive of a national ban and would be eager to make that policy a centerpiece of a presidential campaign.




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Republicans will probably mobilize around certain bills that have already been introduced, including restrictions on minors traveling across state lines for abortions, said Rep. Mike Johnson (R-La.), who has proposed such a bill.




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Several abortion bans have already been introduced in Congress. A six-week abortion ban has been introduced in the House, by Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.)




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Kelly, who introduced the six-week ban in the House, said he doesn’t understand why antiabortion Republicans would settle for a 15-week ban if Roe is overturned.




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In her letter to Republican members of Congress, Hawkins describes Mississippi’s 15-week ban as a tool that “served [its] purpose in leading us to where we are today.”

“But at this pivotal moment in which almost anything is possible, it’s crucial to establish the difference between a previous tactic (such as limiting abortion at 15 weeks) and our goals or current strategies,” the letter says.




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“Clearly the states will play a very important role in that, but there will also be a federal role as well,” said Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), when asked if he supported a federal ban on abortion...

“That will all be part of what happens next,” he said. 




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Amendment

There's a reason they're screaming about the leak, and that's because they don't want people to pay attention to the upcoming ban. If you think they won't get rid of the filibuster to pass a nationwide ban, you're stupid. You think the ones that are smart enough to dodge questions and avoid quotes think there shouldn't be a nationwide ban?

Edit: Marsha Blackburn just announced that Griswold is "constitutionally shaky", so if you think access to birth control is gonna save you, well, try again.

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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #27764300 - 05/05/22 12:12 PM (2 years, 14 days ago)

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If you think they won't get rid of the filibuster to pass a nationwide ban, you're stupid.




You're predicting the Republican party will get rid of the filibuster?

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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #27768152 - 05/08/22 04:38 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

When Molech's gruesome valley of slaughter is off of our territory, we can see the repercussions of that folly, as if it were in a petri dish, and we will have the evidence to encourage women to make better decisions about who they mate with. And the scumbags won't feel so hot. But they shouldn't feel so hot. So repent.

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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27768168 - 05/08/22 05:29 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

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I don’t see the right attempting a federal ban. Reversing Roe has been the project because it leaves it to the states, which they control a great deal of. Anything further might provoke an atmosphere where the Court loses legitimacy, opening up other horrors. The system as it stands, the undemocratic bicameral legislature with the shitty voting access, gerrymandered maps, and corrupt judiciary, benefits the right. They’re not gonna risk blowing that up over a few rabid evangelicals. They’ve reversed Roe and left it to the states, they did the thing.




I agree, and I also don't think they will get away with travel bans on pregnant women to get to "abortion friendly" states. Right wing politicians are going to announce many initiatives to play up to their constituencies. A travel ban would be unconstitutional and I don't think even this Supreme Court wants to get that extreme. Some states will make a big play to stop abortion pills through the mail, but I don't think it makes a big difference whether they can do that legally or not. It has always been relatively easy to order illegal things through the mail from overseas, so without the burden and time delay of going through customs, it should be an open pipeline.


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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27768179 - 05/08/22 05:57 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

A travel ban will just never happen. Missouri attempted to pass a law that would let any citizen sue a citizen that aided in an abortion. Pretty scary, but a travel ban would never stand.

Assuming there is no replacement for Roe and abortions do get widely banned, many of these states are going to get even poorer yet. It's not going to be pretty, economically speaking. The irony is real, there's nothing quite like even greater inequality to prove how much all lives matter.


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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: christopera]
    #27768227 - 05/08/22 07:15 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

The great majority of women getting abortions in the U.S. are young and making less than the defined poverty line, so yeah, more inequality and more generations of poverty.


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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27768239 - 05/08/22 07:26 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

Men aren't allowed to murder either.

This whole idea of equality for people with different physiological characteristics is silly and will prove to be.

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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Hartford] * 1
    #27769637 - 05/09/22 10:26 AM (2 years, 10 days ago)

Abortion isn't murder.  That is beyond stupid.  Not feeding a starving man isn't murder.  Not giving a free incubator to a fetus isn't murder.  The whole concept is stupid, and you should be ashamed of yourself for believing in mystical sky faeries.


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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: christopera]
    #27770882 - 05/10/22 08:38 AM (2 years, 9 days ago)

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I don’t see the right attempting a federal ban. Reversing Roe has been the project because it leaves it to the states, which they control a great deal of. Anything further might provoke an atmosphere where the Court loses legitimacy, opening up other horrors. The system as it stands, the undemocratic bicameral legislature with the shitty voting access, gerrymandered maps, and corrupt judiciary, benefits the right. They’re not gonna risk blowing that up over a few rabid evangelicals. They’ve reversed Roe and left it to the states, they did the thing.




I agree, and I also don't think they will get away with travel bans on pregnant women to get to "abortion friendly" states. Right wing politicians are going to announce many initiatives to play up to their constituencies. A travel ban would be unconstitutional and I don't think even this Supreme Court wants to get that extreme. Some states will make a big play to stop abortion pills through the mail, but I don't think it makes a big difference whether they can do that legally or not. It has always been relatively easy to order illegal things through the mail from overseas, so without the burden and time delay of going through customs, it should be an open pipeline.




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A travel ban will just never happen. Missouri attempted to pass a law that would let any citizen sue a citizen that aided in an abortion. Pretty scary, but a travel ban would never stand.

Assuming there is no replacement for Roe and abortions do get widely banned, many of these states are going to get even poorer yet. It's not going to be pretty, economically speaking. The irony is real, there's nothing quite like even greater inequality to prove how much all lives matter.




Lots of things that seemed unthinkable a year ago are true today.

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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Enlil]
    #27770890 - 05/10/22 08:45 AM (2 years, 9 days ago)

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Abortion isn't murder.  That is beyond stupid.  Not feeding a starving man isn't murder.  Not giving a free incubator to a fetus isn't murder.  The whole concept is stupid, and you should be ashamed of yourself for believing in mystical sky faeries.




Dewd, but when women take the plan B pill bc the condom slipped/broke they may as well be shooting a baby in the face with an AK :sadyes: .


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Re: Bye Bye Roe [Re: Kryptos]
    #27770891 - 05/10/22 08:46 AM (2 years, 9 days ago)

A travel ban would wreck the American system. It cannot happen, otherwise we end up in a "papers please" authoritarian situation. I suppose many conservatives would cheer for that up until their guns got taken.


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