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Re: PE just too big [Re: Tstone]
    #27756575 - 04/29/22 01:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Do a 2' sub then you will have an extreme adjustment to see if it actually works and to what degree. No point fannying around if your life is oh-so-ruined by this situation.


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Re: PE just too big [Re: Tstone]
    #27756668 - 04/29/22 02:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

here is an interview with the creator of so called Penis Envy

it has a lot of info regarding genetics if you listen to all of it.








the one thing i don't like is the shout out to MushroomJohn(pedo)

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Re: PE just too big [Re: Penroc3] * 2
    #27756814 - 04/29/22 04:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I would actually go back to spore. There are plenty of smaller phenos so I would try to run a t1 plate and pick a couple clones.


Eventually you’ll hit the finger size mushroom pheno.




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Re: PE just too big [Re: A.k.a]
    #27756858 - 04/29/22 05:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

of course


i feel like unless your breeding for a certain trait I don't see the need for agar isolation

Spores are chalk full of fresh genetics and if you get a good flush you could always take some of the cake and try to do a spawn run.

i personally like seeing the variation with spores.

in the video i posted it is the guy who plated them out to get the look they have


penis envoy are genetic misfits and would be super prone to genetic degradation i would assume

at the end of the day they are still cubes that have been plated out to the point of extream mutation


not exactly where i would start looking for good genetics

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Re: PE just too big [Re: Penroc3]
    #27756873 - 04/29/22 06:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Wish I had this problem.


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Re: PE just too big [Re: Penroc3]
    #27756886 - 04/29/22 06:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

AkA, that's what I  was thinking, just trying to avoid. But what I'm also going to do, while I work with more spores, is take a g2 clone from what I'm currently harvesting. There's a few  desirable sizes left in the tubs I can work with. See what happens, have had great luck in the past with G2 clones, had some master agar that froze in fridge a while back, had to keep those genetics,at all costs. They were even  more stabilized a bit.


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Re: PE just too big [Re: Tstone]
    #27756892 - 04/29/22 06:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

i think as long as you keep SOME fresh genetics in the mix you will eventually get what you are looking for as far as looks, size and strength

Look at humans, if the gene pool gets to shallow bad things happen.


ETA: make sure you dry them SUPER SUPER well and put a desiccant in the container with them

i would be interested to see one cut in half fresh

sometimes they can be hallow

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Re: PE just too big [Re: Penroc3]
    #27756918 - 04/29/22 06:41 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Anybody that's been in game long enough, has undesirable harvests, it's not a perfect game. I can't tell you, how many bunk or undesirable masters I've tossed, tons... Looking for the winner, it's treasure hunt, but from clone,  these monsters, we're extremely unexpected.


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Re: PE just too big [Re: Tstone]
    #27756941 - 04/29/22 07:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

i just started following this thread so youll have to excuse the questions


did they pop up all together and that was it, or were there alot of aborts?

P.E can be touchy and kind of hard to grow.

if you are already plating out mycelium and cloning why don't you go to a more active strain?

you could try Panaeolus cyanescens if your looking for smaller much more potent mushrooms and they respond well to being sorted on agar.

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Re: PE just too big [Re: Penroc3]
    #27756976 - 04/29/22 07:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Are you using a casing or a thick top layer?  I tend to get more pins with casing over the thick TL.. more pins usually = smaller fruits

Of course that’d mean prepping a lot of casing material if it’s a lot of monos but it could fix the problem

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Re: PE just too big [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #27758063 - 04/30/22 08:11 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Fahster- I never thought about that- this particular run, I did use a thick top layer like 1"-1.5". I was under the gun to out of town, so I tried it. I've always used peat. My AA+, Cambodian, and Transkie, no difference, in fact my Cambodian hates peat moss.  Same culture with a 1/2" top layer this run was dynamite. With the other 3 varieties, I didn't think about it, perhaps PE went nuts in size with a thick top layer. The tubs still averaged 6z dried ea, first flush. Pushing them for a second. I don't do thirds.

I'll keep that in mind. Appreciate.


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Re: PE just too big [Re: Tstone]
    #27758200 - 04/30/22 11:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah to give you an idea, here’s the same culture with a peat casing and then a 2” compressed top layer


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Re: PE just too big [Re: fahtster]
    #27758241 - 04/30/22 11:51 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

im thinking about going for a tray of Panaeolus cyanescens

any tips on that?


i can never grow PE myself as i know MushroomJohn had a hand in its creation.

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Re: PE just too big [Re: Penroc3]
    #27758635 - 05/01/22 11:51 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

what's next, complaining about high potency? lmao. just get a bigger, cabinet style dehydrator. cabellas 160l is awesome. otherwise listen to fhat or start over from spores imo.

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Re: PE just too big [Re: AphexPin]
    #27758644 - 05/01/22 11:59 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Aside from drying time, I think it’s a issue with the appeal at the end. Would you rather have a oz of mushrooms that had many many individuals, or just a few big chunkers.l that you’d have to break up.  Many believe (true or not) that each mushroom has the same amount of psilocybin in it, bigger ones just have it diluted through the whole mushroom while little ones are potent little morsels.

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Re: PE just too big [Re: Seamonkey84]
    #27758646 - 05/01/22 12:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Aside from drying time, I think it’s a issue with the appeal to the user at the end. Would you rather receive a oz of mushrooms that had many many individuals, or just a few big chunkers. Many believe (true or not) that each mushroom has the same amount of psilocybin in it, bigger ones just have it diluted through the whole mushroom while little ones are potent little morsels.



guess it just depends, most in my circle like the big ones cuz they look cool. but i know how annoying these wives tales can be.

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Re: PE just too big [Re: Seamonkey84]
    #27758657 - 05/01/22 12:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly. I have had to take the reigns away from people on multiple occasions and build their bags for them. Left to their own devices, most people will always go for the monsters, which inevitably leads to complaints about potency.

How is this not common sense? Why would anyone want 1 fruit when they could have several?

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Re: PE just too big [Re: hOxt]
    #27758664 - 05/01/22 12:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Exactly. I have had to take the reigns away from people on multiple occasions and build their bags for them. Left to their own devices, most people will always go for the monsters, which inevitably leads to complaints about potency.

How is this not common sense? Why would anyone want 1 fruit when they could have several?



because potency is not necessarily worse in a larger fruit? i like larger fruits since it's less to deal with when harvesting, and my friends like them because they look awesome. my favorite fruits are cylindrical like what AKA posted since they pack so well and robust. but anyway it's kinda like how people like the big nugs.

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Re: PE just too big [Re: AphexPin]
    #27758669 - 05/01/22 12:20 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

That’s a terrible comparison. Preferring top buds and colas actually makes sense. Preferring 1 mushroom over several is newbish and counter-productive.

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Re: PE just too big [Re: hOxt]
    #27758679 - 05/01/22 12:24 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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That’s a terrible comparison. Preferring top buds and colas actually makes sense. Preferring 1 mushroom over several is newbish and counter-productive.



not really :shrug: like i said, just depends on what the people want, and cultivators preference. that's common sense..

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