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    #27756825 - 04/29/22 05:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hello all,

should I wait for more colonization to put the casing layer on top?






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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: antaris] * 1
    #27756853 - 04/29/22 05:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Let it go for a few more days. All substrate should be covered in mycelium and once that has happened let it sit for 1-2 more days.

This can take up to 10-12 days but really depends on conditions and culture.

How long is this colonizing for now and what is the substrate recipe?
What is your plan for fruiting?

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #27756879 - 04/29/22 06:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It‘s my very first try at all.
I made spawn bag with rye/verm and spores from syringe.

I used
10 parts of straw
4 parts of cow manure (pellets)
3 parts of vermiculite
3 parts of water

Before 3 days I mixed the spawn with the substrate.

I constructed styropor box with electric temperature and humidity control.

Its set it to 29 C und humidity to 95%

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: antaris] * 1
    #27756891 - 04/29/22 06:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

29 is on the high end, 25 is more in the middle of the temperature range.

Substrate sounds all good and if you have mixed it 3 days ago then definitely let it go for a few more days, seems to colonize well.
Post another photo in 4-5 days.

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #27756901 - 04/29/22 06:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It‘s not best on higher temp at high humidity? I read that often in the internet. For fruiting I will set temp to 25.

In the box I installed LED plant lamp bars 2 x 20 W.
lamps

Is it ok for fruiting?
The box is small and I made only 1 cake.

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: antaris] * 1
    #27756935 - 04/29/22 06:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Impossible to say if your setup is going to work with that little information.
What are you using to apply fresh air exchange? You got any photos of your fruiting box?

Not saying your temperature setting is wrong, lots of people run their grows at different temps.

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #27757210 - 04/30/22 04:36 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)


This is my box:


On left top side a hepa filter is installed. For fresh air and humidity I use a fog machine.
From the bottom of the fog machine the air flows through the machine and get cold fog with ultrasonic device. The fog air flows through a pipe into the box.

The complete bottom of the fog machine I seald with a filter bag. I use destilled water in the fog machine.

Inside the box I installed a electric heater and a fan for air circulation.
With this setup I have temp +/- 1C and humidity +/- 3% controlled.
The warm air flows through the hepa filter out of the box.

The box dimension is w 69cm, h 49 cm, d 39cm (outside)


Inside the incubator box is the tub with the substrate. Its loose covered with by a cutted filterbag.

As casing layer I want to use coir and vermiculite. How I have to mix it? 50/50 or more coir and less verm?

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: antaris] * 1
    #27757540 - 04/30/22 12:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Now I recognized the substrate may to wet. I took away the cover from the tub and the humidity climbs to 100%.

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: antaris] * 1
    #27757760 - 04/30/22 03:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I wanted to say it's probably better to remove the cover and I wouldn't worry too much about the hygrometer, for a small volume like
yours it's better to judge by how the substrate surface looks and adjust fogger and/or fan accordingly.

You will have to run the chamber for a few times to find out how it runs best. Have you designed this yourself? It looks and sounds OK but
the proof is always in the pudding. Angam has build one that might be similar to your design and he had success with his one, have a look at
his thread, maybe there is some useful information in it for you.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27042059#27042059

That is all the help I can give you as I am not using an automated/active fruiting chamber.

You can ask questions in the official thread as well but I would recommend to run your chamber first and gather some experience
yourself. Your setup might run well just as is. The most important thing is healthy spawn so I would start using agar if you haven't
already and keep producing the best quality healthy spawn you can. It will make dialing in you chamber easier.


Link to the official copelandia/panaeolus thread:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22216410/fpart/1293

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: antaris] * 1
    #27758262 - 05/01/22 12:21 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

antaris said:
As casing layer I want to use coir and vermiculite. How I have to mix it? 50/50 or more coir and less verm?




Forgot to answer this question.

For casing I used 100% vermiculite a few times with OK/good results and 100% coir with mediocre success. Since you are new to pans and your
fruiting chamber hasn't been dialed in yet I would suggest that you use pasteurized 50/50+ (10 parts peat / 10 parts verm / 1/4 part hydrated lime)
cause it's working well and most people are used to it. If you can't get peat or don't want to use it then I would say use 100% vermiculite.

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #27758415 - 05/01/22 06:12 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

This last winter I had a few grows going, a couple different varieties, what have you. Anyways, it got pretty cold some nights, Even with a few heaters in the garage some nights the temperature would drop down to 60-65 degrees.  Then by mid day the temperature would get back up to 75-77 degrees, and one thing that struck me is that by the end of a single day, my pans would completely flush up!  Every other variety was slow and steady, but the pans literally flushed in a single day.  They seem to enjoy the “warm-cold” cycle.


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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #27761297 - 05/03/22 11:14 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, I already bought coir and vermiculite for that.
Till now it runs very nice.

For the spawn I used a spore syring. The spawn in a filterbag I shaked twice daily and everything was colonized in a bright white everywhere.

Today the 7th day the substrate getting colonized with a fine white mycel.
Hydrated lime is needed?
How thick the layer should be?

Yes I designed it by myself. I have some professional technical skills. I had think about an CO2 sensor for additional control of the carbondioxyd saturation.
I added a second fan at a second hepa filter. It blows the air out of the box if the humidity is higher than 96%.
The advantage is a mostly dry surface inside the box. It reduce the possibility for contamination and the substrate cant get to much dry.


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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: Kevinarns] * 1
    #27761309 - 05/03/22 11:21 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: antaris] * 1
    #27761528 - 05/03/22 02:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

OK, I see know what you have going there.

If you are using coir/verm then you don't need hydrated lime. This is only an addition for when you are using peat and even then it's not
absolutely necessary. I like to apply a very thin casing at about 2-3mm some people do 6-7mm. Your substrate surface is pretty rough
though cause you are using a lot of straw which will make applying an evenly thin casing impossible.

I know I said to remove the cover before but I didn't realize that you were keeping the tray in the box with fans running. IMO it would be
better to let the substrate colonize with the cover on and poking a few holes in it. Leave the cover on till fully colonized, then case
and then put it into your fruiting chamber.

Automation is great but I think its better to control your fans and humidifier with timer switches instead of sensors and observe your
surface condition. Especially for a small box like yours. I have seen several tubs where people were relying on sensors but conditions were
still not right and judging from the photos your substrate seems to dry out. Once you have the casing on it will be easier to tell from
just pictures if you surface dries out.

Adding a CO2 sensor is certainly overkill, CO2 won't be an issue if you are already have fans running for air exchange.


Well as I said before, let it run as you think should and see if you get fruits. Get into agar asap. Post your grow in the official
panaeolus thread as well and get some other people to comment on this.

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: Kevinarns] * 1
    #27761532 - 05/03/22 02:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Ah ok, I will try with coir/verm and maybe I have luck.
Thanks for all the information.

I had put a filterbag ober the tub. I can do this again.

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #27761551 - 05/03/22 02:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I cased the substrate with a cutted filterbag again. May you are right. The surface of the substrate seems poorly wet.

I forgot to cut the straw😌
Next time it should be much more smaller

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: antaris] * 1
    #27765315 - 05/06/22 12:05 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So I used the fogger directly to the substrate to get it more wet. I also flatend the surface of the substrate a litle bit.
It was to dry and I interrupted the colonization. But now it seems the mycelium isn‘t dead cause it‘s growing again.

If I have luck at 12th day (today 10th) I can put the casing layer.


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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: antaris] * 1
    #27765321 - 05/06/22 12:08 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

But also I ordered a new spore syringe. Everything else needed I still have.

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: antaris] * 1
    #27765425 - 05/06/22 03:48 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Time to put casing layer Panaeolus Cyanenses? [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #27766789 - 05/07/22 12:39 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It‘s eating 🤗
Today 11th day of colonization and no mold anywhere.


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