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SeascapeShroomerGT
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
#14465221 - 05/16/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LightShedder said: lol I never said they were toxic. Yes you and many other people have said 2c-e is safe at recreational dosages. So long as you agree that's not true then believe me, we are in no disagreement.
You're right you didn't call them toxic, I believe someone else said something like that much earlier in the thread and I thought it was you.
Ahhhh this lil bit of pure opinion (non-facts):
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Altered States said: Quote: First off you have no idea if that drug had been properly labeled with dosage directions those kids wouldn't have OD or not. How many times have you taken something against the federally labeled directions to get a fuller experience. The stuff is FUCKING POISON!!! end of story!! If there's a possibility that you can die a horrible agonizing death from a man made psychedelic drug common scence tells me there's something wrong with it, and if I want to stay alive and healthy I probably shouldn't mess with it, federally regulated dosage label or not!! Stick to the naturals,
I remember directing my anger towards this, but I apologize as you didn't even post it. And earlier you said "Assuming this even was 2c-e" so I see you're not who i should be ranting towards.
But if you've read PHIKAL and his other works then why did you assume the LD50 is only 6x the normal dose? I suppose it COULD be in that area as I have no study which shows it, but I doubt it's nearly that low, and seeing as how you have an understanding of the substance, wouldn't you agree? I mean really I have no clue what it truly is but based on how many people claim to have consumed higher/similar doses I would ASSUME it to be higher. 6x the average dose would make it a very very dangerous drug you're correct.
But anyway I got angry at you because I thought you also posted the rant i quoted, and then you got angry at me because you thought i was calling them safe.
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: SeascapeShroomerGT]
#14465348 - 05/16/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol I got angry at you cause I thought you were saying something someone else had said too.
"But if you've read PHIKAL and his other works then why did you assume the LD50 is only 6x the normal dose?"
I want to say I read a report on erowid years ago of a girl who ingested 150 mg and didn't die but had a dangerous od. I'm too lazy to try and look for it, it may not even exist. But note I said possibly. I said "a drug with possibly 6x" meaning any drug where this is possible, shouldn't be considered safe, as someone else tried to claim.
Regardless, it's apparent you and I weren't the extremists saying "safe" or "poison". We both understand that it's unknown but probably safe at doses less than 100mg at least.
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
#14465728 - 05/17/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So much confusion in this thread.
People need to read more carefully and respond with less viscousness.
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Remix]
#14465743 - 05/17/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tru dat.
There's rational people who believe it's safety is unknown, yet predictable. Then there's those that "know" it's safe or toxic.
Obviously there's gonna be some disagreements lol
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
#14465801 - 05/17/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Glad that is out of the way. Now that the bickering is over let's please continue this thread on topic.
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: veggie]
#14465834 - 05/17/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thread about 2c-e leads to debate on it's toxicity.... I'd say that's not only on topic but pretty damn necessary when kids are trying to claim a research chemical is safe. Call it bickering all you want but next guy who defends RCs safety is gonna get the wrath of my bicker.
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SeascapeShroomerGT
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
#14468090 - 05/17/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey I'm with you. Nothing about these substances seems safe. But the recent deaths, some still attributed to the 2c's and some later found out to be Bromo d fly or whatever, are really troubling. Why are kids just starting to die now? Only when having 'parties' with this stuff where a large group of people all take the drug? And only in the US?
Like wtf? Should we be worried about contaminated batches? Or is there something else going on?
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: SeascapeShroomerGT]
#14470851 - 05/17/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd say either one of the following greatly reduces the risk associated with rc's, providing you do your own research and dose responsibly
A. Check your substances melting point and match it up with desired compound B. Test out everything as though it's accidentally BDF C. Synth your own, or know a very trusted chemist
Otherwise your pretty much taking a risk.
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: veggie]
#14470964 - 05/17/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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veggie said: Glad that is out of the way. Now that the bickering is over let's please continue this thread on topic.
Close this garbage. condense the news stories into one thread and leave this crap to the pub, or at the next shroomery gathering, have them duke it out in person.
5 pages of pointless arguing by internet experts has ruined one of the more interesting stories of the year.
Any more news?
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Beefy1]
#14470979 - 05/17/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't see the big deal in discussing the level of toxicity the drug in the news story contains.
Yeah it turned into an argument, but it could have been as simple as everyone agreeing it's a research chemical and no one knows for sure.
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
#14534453 - 05/30/11 04:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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hey remix very very true point.... who are the real supporters of the RC manufacturers?
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Maybe if these psychedelics weren't such taboos kids wouldn't be overdosing on RCs because they could take some low-toxicity LSD or Psilocybin instead.
About time some people with a brain/no ulterior motives started making laws.
Regarding fire being an analogue of the sun....you are a funny man !
I am sad people died needlessly though any RC is a gamble cause you simply have no idea what it is however trusted a source is. If you gonna play with fire you need to do so with extreme care otherwise you could easy end up in a box.
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Sobercolober]
#16698568 - 08/14/12 12:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_6165.shtml Cody Weddle To Be Sentenced In Synthetic Drug Overdose Deaths ADA, Okla. (AP) -- An Oklahoma man who pleaded no contest to second-degree murder in the overdose deaths of two people is scheduled to be sentenced. Cody Weddle is due in court Monday for sentencing. He entered a blind plea last month to second-degree murder in the deaths of East Central University students Anastasia Jewell and Andrew Akerman. Police arrested Weddle after eight people who drank a mixture containing the drug, Bromo-DragonFLY, fell violently ill at a party in Konawa. Attorneys say Weddle rejected a plea deal that would have set a 10-year prison term. The case prompted a change in Oklahoma law. A bill signed into law this spring expands the definition of first-degree murder to include death resulting from the manufacturing of a controlled dangerous substance or synthetic controlled substance.
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
#27756733 - 04/29/22 03:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I'm a survivor of this event. Seems after almost 11 year I still can't escape it
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: RP1987] 1
#27756947 - 04/29/22 07:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Would you perhaps be Ricky? That was such a tragic event. Many times survivors do experience 'survivors guilt'. I hope you received counseling and have managed to move on and that life has been good for you and the other survivors from that night.
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: RP1987]
#27757138 - 04/29/22 11:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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RP1987 said: I'm a survivor of this event. Seems after almost 11 year I still can't escape it
Did it end up being 2C-E?
What kind of lasting effects has it had on you?
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