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Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! *DELETED* * 2
    #27752480 - 04/26/22 05:24 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27752494 - 04/26/22 05:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Newb here attempting to help: Could it be the strain? My White teachers took 1 month and a week before pins. Givin it was my first time ever growing.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Funguy920]
    #27752514 - 04/26/22 05:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It looks really creamy to me so coulda been bacteria in the jars. It doesn't always make it smell off and when spawned it's spreading everywhere. Also could be your fruiting conditions they have a kinda matted look which can come from misting and drying out repeatedly.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: WyoMX]
    #27752544 - 04/26/22 06:23 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:  I would suspect your spawn wass not as healthy as you think it is.

In pic 3 it also looks like it's been getting heavily misted which matted the surface.  That can easily fuckup pinsets.  Fix your FAE so you don't have to mist them and damage the surface.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: PBJ710]
    #27752608 - 04/26/22 07:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

:imo: I don't have any experience with tampanensis, but I do think they require more attention when compared with cubes. They seem to like more FAE then regular cubes.

You could ask questions on thread The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion.

I've had FAE issues with unmodded tubes. To fix the issues and to have better control over FAE, I've drill holes(3 holes on each long side and 5 holes under each handle) as described in Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monotubs.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: fungusul]
    #27752700 - 04/26/22 09:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm a noob when it comes to tamps and other sclerotia-producing species, but I an say that while your surface conditions don't look amenable to pinning, there are a lot of issues with genetics. Some people can get strain ATL7 to fruit, but I've been trying for 5 months indoors without success. They're great for producing stones, but fruit seem really difficult. You need just the right combination of FAE and very high humidity. I will say that I've been told repeatedly that they like it wetter than cubes, but if the surface doesn't dry out at least to the point that your container doesn't have moisture condensing on it at least once per day you can forget about it pinning.

Do you know which strain you have?


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    #27752709 - 04/26/22 09:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: SharaVabdas] * 1
    #27752740 - 04/26/22 10:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You bring up an interesting point about outside growing, and one that despite getting chewed on every time I bring it up on the Shroomery, I think that there's something essentially about the microbiomes of our substrates that makes fruiting species like tampanensis more difficult than it has to be.

There's a lot of interesting work going on about fungal/bacterial associations right now, although most of it is in very early stages, but if anybody has any guesses about potential missing pieces to this question I'd be really interested to hear about them.


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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27752802 - 04/26/22 11:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

First of all,thanks for all the replies,I'm very grateful for you guys!

Now it seems there was a little misunderstanding here: What you see on the pictures are in fact Golden Teachers, the tamps are a whole different thing growing on its own because I almost gave up on fruiting cubensis.

I should look into modifying tubs,although I swore to myself not to cut anymore holes into plastic tubs :crazy:

Is overmisting really going to destroy any ability to fruit at all? I might have taken it too far a few times 🙈

Also, thanks for the links! I fear it might be my spawn which wasnt super clean after all!
Although it looks and smells exactly like you'd think cube mycelium looks like, the tubs even give off that fresh mushroom smell after a nice mist.

So, should I keep them doing their thing until I see green everywhere or is it to no avail?

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27752876 - 04/27/22 02:39 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

How exactly are you preparing your substrate when you make it? During the first flush you shouldn't have to mist like crazy. Once you get a tub dialed in its smooth sailing.

If you're using coir go with:

650 grams coir
2 quarts verm
4 - 4.5 quarts of water

You should be able to squeeze it and a few drops runs off.



Imo unmodified tubs cause more trouble than anything unless you're watching it constantly, which case you can easily love your mushrooms to death.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112] * 1
    #27752899 - 04/27/22 04:00 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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First of all,thanks for all the replies,I'm very grateful for you guys!

Now it seems there was a little misunderstanding here: What you see on the pictures are in fact Golden Teachers, the tamps are a whole different thing growing on its own because I almost gave up on fruiting cubensis.

I should look into modifying tubs,although I swore to myself not to cut anymore holes into plastic tubs :crazy:

Is overmisting really going to destroy any ability to fruit at all? I might have taken it too far a few times 🙈

Also, thanks for the links! I fear it might be my spawn which wasnt super clean after all!
Although it looks and smells exactly like you'd think cube mycelium looks like, the tubs even give off that fresh mushroom smell after a nice mist.

So, should I keep them doing their thing until I see green everywhere or is it to no avail?




Unfortunately yes it can.  Cubes thrive when left alone, so the less you do to them after being spawned the better.  With an appropriately designed tub tek like PastyWhyte EZDial tubs you will not need to mist at all before the first flush.  Unmodified tubs always seem to bring FAE issues with them.

Do you have any pics of the spawn?  Bacterial spawn *can* fruit but it generally does with a diminished yeild at best.

I would remove the shoeboxes from that bigger tub and just snap the lids back on them and put them on a shelf.  The outer tub is hurting your moisture retention on the shoeboxes since you have so much air to keep moist in the bigger tub but only 3 shoeboxes worth of spawn to provide the moisture reserve.


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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! *DELETED* [Re: PBJ710]
    #27752959 - 04/27/22 06:27 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27752976 - 04/27/22 06:51 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I should have been a bit more clear - shoeboxes are typically used unmodified with the lids left completely closed until fruiting - then either bag them or dubtub them if they get too tall.  Due to the size of the tub/substrate, the tiny gap under the lid provides adequate FAE in this situation.  When you step things up to a full sized tub, you start running into the FAE issues as the lid is MUCH larger.  A few mm gap under the lid will make drastic differences in airflow available to the tub - especially if theres any drafts in the room.

I'm not an expert on WBS/millet grains, but the fluffy growth on top and the wet grains smashed against the glass seem like you've got some bacteria competing for your nutrition resources.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: PBJ710]
    #27752979 - 04/27/22 06:55 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Cosmos112 said:
First of all,thanks for all the replies,I'm very grateful for you guys!

Now it seems there was a little misunderstanding here: What you see on the pictures are in fact Golden Teachers, the tamps are a whole different thing growing on its own because I almost gave up on fruiting cubensis.

I should look into modifying tubs,although I swore to myself not to cut anymore holes into plastic tubs :crazy:

Is overmisting really going to destroy any ability to fruit at all? I might have taken it too far a few times 🙈

Also, thanks for the links! I fear it might be my spawn which wasnt super clean after all!
Although it looks and smells exactly like you'd think cube mycelium looks like, the tubs even give off that fresh mushroom smell after a nice mist.

So, should I keep them doing their thing until I see green everywhere or is it to no avail?




Unfortunately yes it can.  Cubes thrive when left alone, so the less you do to them after being spawned the better.  With an appropriately designed tub tek like PastyWhyte EZDial tubs you will not need to mist at all before the first flush.  Unmodified tubs always seem to bring FAE issues with them.

Do you have any pics of the spawn?  Bacterial spawn *can* fruit but it generally does with a diminished yeild at best.

I would remove the shoeboxes from that bigger tub and just snap the lids back on them and put them on a shelf.  The outer tub is hurting your moisture retention on the shoeboxes since you have so much air to keep moist in the bigger tub but only 3 shoeboxes worth of spawn to provide the moisture reserve.





If the spawn was totally clean but you overmisted, wouldn’t you at least see some bottom or side pins?

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Prakriti]
    #27752991 - 04/27/22 07:04 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Probably, but I wouldn't depend on it.  Long story short it will fruit *if* it's healthy enough and has a good enough micro-environment to fruit in.  If the health of the culture or the environment is not not ideal, it may not.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: PBJ710]
    #27753017 - 04/27/22 07:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So I guess I'm going to leave them do whatever they want, check my next grows for healthier spawn and try a modified tub again.
It's all so tiresome :babypalm:

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27753095 - 04/27/22 09:10 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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In terms of bulk prep I use straight coir,measure out how much of it I've got,multiply by 3,75 and boil that amount of water,add it to a bucket and let it sit for multiple hours. It's always at field capacity and colonizes fine so that shouldnt be a problem.

It's just so frustrating, I check out all these unmodded tubs, dub tubs etc. and those shrooms seemingly fruit thenselfes.

Maybe I DO have to consider modding some tubs in order to leave them alone for a while.

Here's a pic of my spawn I posted in a different thread:


Edit: Oh,and the big tub is just to keep the mist from going everywhere,I only leave the lids flipped from the small tubs.




That spawn doesn’t look healthy at all. While I’m not a fan of unmodded tubs (why I have my own design for modded tubs) spawn that weak isn’t going to generally fruit well. Watch out for green.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27753102 - 04/27/22 09:21 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So it really must be my spawn that's funky,huh?
Maybe I really can't differentiate between tomentose myc and bacterial myc, or they've grown intertwined with each other 🤔
I put some spores from the syringe directly to my grain jars, I'll post some pictures in a few days since I've g2g'd them two days ago.

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    #27753107 - 04/27/22 09:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You would be better served to put some spores to agar and select for vigorous growth.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27753121 - 04/27/22 09:38 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Will do! Gonna try some BRF agar instead of MEA,I might get some rhizos which will for sure differentiate themselves from bacteria and tomentose growth.
Thanks to all of you for being so kind and helpful! I might not give up yet,even though I feel like a complete failure :crutches:

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27753128 - 04/27/22 09:41 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Don’t stress about rhizo vs tomentose, worry more about the vigour of the growth. How fast it grows. Is it looking strong or weak? When you do agar (or even brf paste) put spores to a few different plates and then choose the fastest/strongest looking candidates.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27753146 - 04/27/22 09:48 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hmm, and you wouldn't think this kind of mishap would happen again? I mean, I really thought I had some healthy agar plates at hand and now I find out it's bacteria all along.
I did some transfers yesterday and might post a few pics of what I'm dealing with,too.
Maybe we can solve this enigma and make me a happy psychonaut once again 😍😂

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27753154 - 04/27/22 09:53 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It could be the grains of course. How long did you sterilize them for? How long are you venting the PC before you build pressure? These are definitely factors.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27753163 - 04/27/22 10:00 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm using an Instant Pot,which only keeps a pressure of 11 psi,so I pc two grain jars for 240 minutes,let the pressure drop on its own and immediately shake once they're cool enough to handle.
Though I'm a newb at WBS/millet, it might be my prep thats off.
My procedure is as following:
Bring a pot of water to a boil,get it off the heat,add desired amount of millet,slap a lid on there and wait for 20 minutes. Drain and shake a little to help the water evaporate and after 30 minutes of cooling them down I load up my jars and sterilize as written up there.

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    #27753185 - 04/27/22 10:18 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I don’t use or trust instapots myself. I won’t comment further on that. But I will suggest you try and get a proper PC if you can as it will remove some of the guess work.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27753215 - 04/27/22 10:41 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe thats really the only viable solution to many of my problems, I shall look into getting myself a proper pressure cooker 😥

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    #27753360 - 04/27/22 12:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: SharaVabdas]
    #27753382 - 04/27/22 01:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I'll just wait and see what happens.
Clearly I'm overthinking a lot of things here and not a day goes by where I dont touch the tubs 🙈
Do you guys usually spawn your tubs and leave them alone?

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    #27753385 - 04/27/22 01:27 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Cosmos112 said:Do you guys usually spawn your tubs and leave them alone?




100% of the time.  I don't even look at them for the first week after spawning.

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    #27753389 - 04/27/22 01:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I use an instant too and it really does suck


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    #27753427 - 04/27/22 02:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Looks like stroma, not sure if I can post a link to the site. So here's a copy/paste.

The good one — overlay and stroma are not contaminants. And there are chances to fix the problem.

The bad one — growing conditions for pinhead initiation have not been met. So, you might not get harvest at all!

Causes:
⛔️ Prolonged time for casing layer colonization. Fruiting conditions should be provided when 50-70% of the casing layer is covered with mycelium. Rhizomorph mycelium can stay in the incubator for a longer period.

⛔️ Too dry casing layer.

⛔️ Too wet casing layer.

⛔️ Low relative humidity in the GrowBox or Monotube (less than 90%).

⛔️ High carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration (above 600-800 ppm).

⛔️ High temperature (25°C or higher). Sharp temperature fluctuations.

⛔️ High evaporation rate. The humidity level in the growbox is high, but it is provided by evaporation from the casing layer instead of misting or using humidifier. This way mushroom cake dries out very quickly.

⛔️ High substrate acidity. To prevent substrate acidification, it is recommended to add buffering agents (limestone flour, dolomitic limestone flour, gypsum, chalk, marl, oyster shells) to the casing layer or secondary substrate for the monotube. Details are in Casing of magic mushrooms cakes

⛔️ Strain degeneration. Many strains from spores may be capable only for vegetative growth. Such mycelium can absorb nutrients, but is unable for pinning and fruit bodies development.

⛔️ Overlay stroma are not simply a disruption of just one fruiting parameter. It is often a complex of several factors:

high temperature + low RH + high CO2 = overlay
low RH + high CO2 = overlay
dry casing layer + high CO2 = overlay
dry casing layer + low RH + high CO2 = overlay
any of parameters + genetic changes = stroma
If you don't decrease the temperature in the growbox/monotube, don't increase relative humidity (RH), don't provide oxygen regularly for mushrooms breathing, mycelium continue vegetative growth like before in the spawn jars and skip pinhead initiation process.


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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27753451 - 04/27/22 02:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, I'll just wait and see what happens.
Clearly I'm overthinking a lot of things here and not a day goes by where I dont touch the tubs 🙈
Do you guys usually spawn your tubs and leave them alone?





I personally inspect everything every day, taking lots of notes I just never open anything until fully colonized. If for some reason I do open say a monotub its usually if I see 0 or very little signs of colonization after 3-5 days, but that's just to see if it has any odd smells. If it does I remove it from the grow room and wait to see what happens just to be safe.


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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: LSDChaos]
    #27753537 - 04/27/22 03:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Holy smokes,thats a lot of information,I can't remember all of that 😱
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't faster to directly fruit your tubs,since contaminations only occur due to funky spawn?

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    #27753539 - 04/27/22 03:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I disagree with a lot of that information posted above and I always directly fruit at spawning. The reasons the gourmet industry does spawn runs in elevated CO2 do not apply to what we generally are doing when we are growing cubes.

For example stroma is incredibly rare and overlay isn’t a thing for cubensis. I’ve run 1000’s of tubs and only seen actual stroma like twice. I never once saw real overlay until I did Pans.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27753545 - 04/27/22 03:34 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

For example; dead dried out rubbery mycelium caused by poor conditions isn’t stroma, it’s dead dying rubbery mycelium caused by poor conditions. Personally I feel “stroma” is more of a reaction to bacteria and is at least somewhat genetically dependent. A person who was burnt in a fire isn’t the same as someone with a sunburn. Sunscreen isn’t a solution to a person who was burnt in a fire.

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    #27753600 - 04/27/22 04:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Well damn,thanks Pasty for seperating good from bad information, I shouldn't believe ALL of the advice given, even though it's meant in a positive manner 😅
So messing up the mycelium due to my inexperienced handling of the tubs is really whats going on here and the solution would be a couple of things: Check for clean spawn, dont touch the tubs after spawning to bulk and follow trusted teks to a T 🙈

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    #27754306 - 04/27/22 10:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: SharaVabdas] * 1
    #27754814 - 04/28/22 09:40 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Seems like something I should get going, so I'm not too hung up on a potential loss.

Just bought four 33qt tubs which I'm probably gonna mod Pasty EzDial style for further grows (unless you guys got a different idea of course 😅).

Here is a picture of the current plate I'm growing from (it's terribly hard to take a nice picture so forgive me for the quality, but I swear there are filamentous strands reaching outwards in a tomentose manner)

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27756060 - 04/29/22 03:16 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry for bumping my own thread, I thought maybe someone can give me an opinion on my spawn jars,these have been inoculated with spore solution:

I think they're looking pretty good, so technically I could rule out the bad spawn thingy 😅

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27756061 - 04/29/22 03:18 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Those don't look great, pretty sure I see some green on the left as well.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27756531 - 04/29/22 12:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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For example; dead dried out rubbery mycelium caused by poor conditions isn’t stroma, it’s dead dying rubbery mycelium caused by poor conditions. Personally I feel “stroma” is more of a reaction to bacteria and is at least somewhat genetically dependent. A person who was burnt in a fire isn’t the same as someone with a sunburn. Sunscreen isn’t a solution to a person who was burnt in a fire.





Stroma isn't linked to either contamination nor bacteria. The exact causes are as listed above (poor conditions), and is more common than you think with new growers. And his substrate doesn't look dead or dried out so that statement is rather irrelevant. Stroma just like mycelium has many different forms and affects all subs and species differently, doesn't mean you will have a nasty film over top. Sometimes you may just have a dry rubbery top which you think is just a super dry substrate.


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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27756542 - 04/29/22 12:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Well damn,thanks Pasty for seperating good from bad information, I shouldn't believe ALL of the advice given, even though it's meant in a positive manner 😅
So messing up the mycelium due to my inexperienced handling of the tubs is really whats going on here and the solution would be a couple of things: Check for clean spawn, dont touch the tubs after spawning to bulk and follow trusted teks to a T 🙈





He actually gave you bad info... "I always directly fruit at spawning" never do this ever period. Fruit once cake/sub is fully colonized 10-15 days after spawning without opening tub. Second stroma is pretty common and you can google many variations of it. I personally don't ask questions n haven't since 2016 do to trolls... Only came back to make my last fake post of (Spikes) so I can make the post (Everything you know is wrong)... If you read my post of (Spikes on Top) you will see what I mean, ppl will say anything is bad when its not or provide info that's irrelevant.


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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: LSDChaos]
    #27756547 - 04/29/22 01:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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He actually gave you bad info... "I always directly fruit at spawning" never do this ever period. Fruit once cake/sub is fully colonized 10-15 days after spawning without opening tub. Second stroma is pretty common and you can google many variations of it. I personally don't ask questions n haven't since 2016 do to trolls... Only came back to make my last fake post of (Spikes) so I can make the post (Everything you know is wrong)... If you read my post of (Spikes on Top) you will see what I mean, ppl will say anything is bad when its not or provide info that's irrelevant.





LOL...I'm harvesting 14 days after spawning using the exact same conditions the entire time (aka fruiting conditions at spawn).  You might want to give it a try before you blindly denounce it.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: PBJ710]
    #27756558 - 04/29/22 01:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)





LOL...I'm harvesting 14 days after spawning using the exact same conditions the entire time (aka fruiting conditions at spawn).  You might want to give it a try before you blindly denounce it.




Well yes doing that, I keep everything at Fruiting temps through all stages. From the way I read his post I thought he was literally initiating fruiting at spawn.... So FAE, Misting etc.


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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: LSDChaos] * 1
    #27756567 - 04/29/22 01:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You might want to check for updated versions of the teks you're following.  Many of the things you're preaching are very outdated.

FAE at spawning has been the standard since I started lurking in 2018.  You don't need to mist at all before first flush if your tubs are dialed in correctly.  Trying to mist on a schedule is usually a plan for failure.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: PBJ710]
    #27756573 - 04/29/22 01:26 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Add a casing layer. Bubble wrap, look up bubble wrap casing layers then give it 2 weeks.

Never throw out a tub unless you see strong contamination. :crazy2:

I've had some of horrible f**king tubs still fruit.


You have to give it time. It's like a baby.

Baby can be due in 9 months. But it will come out when its time.

Mushies 30 to 45 days. Weeks after full colonizing. Strains change fruiting times.


Be Patient.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: LSDChaos] * 1
    #27756731 - 04/29/22 03:27 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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LOL...I'm harvesting 14 days after spawning using the exact same conditions the entire time (aka fruiting conditions at spawn).  You might want to give it a try before you blindly denounce it.




Well yes doing that, I keep everything at Fruiting temps through all stages. From the way I read his post I thought he was literally initiating fruiting at spawn.... So FAE, Misting etc.</font></font>




Well I don’t mist pre first flush very often but definitely introduce FAE right at spawning. The information you’re providing is very out of date, I suggest you get caught up before you try correcting people with good information.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: BiggDaddyCane]
    #27757203 - 04/30/22 04:06 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Would it help if I just added a layer of field capacity vermiculite over it?
Just to give it some extra water for the lost time and water?
Also I'm thinking about placing those subs in a 33qt ezdial tub,maybe it's too small in those 2 Liter boxes and the flipped lids dont allow for good enough fae,what do you guys think?

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! *DELETED* [Re: Cosmos112]
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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: SharaVabdas]
    #27772589 - 05/11/22 12:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quick update for anyone interested:
I did as I said and put all of the 7 subs in a bigger monotub with holes in it,cased with verm and waited.
It smelled very good and mushroomy, but sadly one of them subs started triching out on me so I tossed the whole thing a few days ago.

Moving on, I think I've got some really healthy spawn masters going,let's pray these guys will fruit in the future.

So far I want to thank everyone who replied 🙏♥️

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27772602 - 05/11/22 12:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

The spawn is 90% of the battle. Axenic spawn will forgive much.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27772614 - 05/11/22 12:24 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Assuming I finally have contam free plates (rhizo and all) then yeah,things aren't looking too bad 🙈

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