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Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! *DELETED* * 2
    #27752480 - 04/26/22 05:24 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27752494 - 04/26/22 05:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Newb here attempting to help: Could it be the strain? My White teachers took 1 month and a week before pins. Givin it was my first time ever growing.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Funguy920]
    #27752514 - 04/26/22 05:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It looks really creamy to me so coulda been bacteria in the jars. It doesn't always make it smell off and when spawned it's spreading everywhere. Also could be your fruiting conditions they have a kinda matted look which can come from misting and drying out repeatedly.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: WyoMX]
    #27752544 - 04/26/22 06:23 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:  I would suspect your spawn wass not as healthy as you think it is.

In pic 3 it also looks like it's been getting heavily misted which matted the surface.  That can easily fuckup pinsets.  Fix your FAE so you don't have to mist them and damage the surface.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: PBJ710]
    #27752608 - 04/26/22 07:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

:imo: I don't have any experience with tampanensis, but I do think they require more attention when compared with cubes. They seem to like more FAE then regular cubes.

You could ask questions on thread The OFFICIAL Stone producer/sclerotia thread and discussion.

I've had FAE issues with unmodded tubes. To fix the issues and to have better control over FAE, I've drill holes(3 holes on each long side and 5 holes under each handle) as described in Pastywhyte’s Ez dialed monotubs.

To learn when spawn is clean read Clean spawn checklist for the new grower.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: fungusul]
    #27752700 - 04/26/22 09:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm a noob when it comes to tamps and other sclerotia-producing species, but I an say that while your surface conditions don't look amenable to pinning, there are a lot of issues with genetics. Some people can get strain ATL7 to fruit, but I've been trying for 5 months indoors without success. They're great for producing stones, but fruit seem really difficult. You need just the right combination of FAE and very high humidity. I will say that I've been told repeatedly that they like it wetter than cubes, but if the surface doesn't dry out at least to the point that your container doesn't have moisture condensing on it at least once per day you can forget about it pinning.

Do you know which strain you have?


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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! *DELETED* [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27752709 - 04/26/22 09:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: SharaVabdas] * 1
    #27752740 - 04/26/22 10:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You bring up an interesting point about outside growing, and one that despite getting chewed on every time I bring it up on the Shroomery, I think that there's something essentially about the microbiomes of our substrates that makes fruiting species like tampanensis more difficult than it has to be.

There's a lot of interesting work going on about fungal/bacterial associations right now, although most of it is in very early stages, but if anybody has any guesses about potential missing pieces to this question I'd be really interested to hear about them.


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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27752802 - 04/26/22 11:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

First of all,thanks for all the replies,I'm very grateful for you guys!

Now it seems there was a little misunderstanding here: What you see on the pictures are in fact Golden Teachers, the tamps are a whole different thing growing on its own because I almost gave up on fruiting cubensis.

I should look into modifying tubs,although I swore to myself not to cut anymore holes into plastic tubs :crazy:

Is overmisting really going to destroy any ability to fruit at all? I might have taken it too far a few times 🙈

Also, thanks for the links! I fear it might be my spawn which wasnt super clean after all!
Although it looks and smells exactly like you'd think cube mycelium looks like, the tubs even give off that fresh mushroom smell after a nice mist.

So, should I keep them doing their thing until I see green everywhere or is it to no avail?

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27752876 - 04/27/22 02:39 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

How exactly are you preparing your substrate when you make it? During the first flush you shouldn't have to mist like crazy. Once you get a tub dialed in its smooth sailing.

If you're using coir go with:

650 grams coir
2 quarts verm
4 - 4.5 quarts of water

You should be able to squeeze it and a few drops runs off.



Imo unmodified tubs cause more trouble than anything unless you're watching it constantly, which case you can easily love your mushrooms to death.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112] * 1
    #27752899 - 04/27/22 04:00 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Cosmos112 said:
First of all,thanks for all the replies,I'm very grateful for you guys!

Now it seems there was a little misunderstanding here: What you see on the pictures are in fact Golden Teachers, the tamps are a whole different thing growing on its own because I almost gave up on fruiting cubensis.

I should look into modifying tubs,although I swore to myself not to cut anymore holes into plastic tubs :crazy:

Is overmisting really going to destroy any ability to fruit at all? I might have taken it too far a few times 🙈

Also, thanks for the links! I fear it might be my spawn which wasnt super clean after all!
Although it looks and smells exactly like you'd think cube mycelium looks like, the tubs even give off that fresh mushroom smell after a nice mist.

So, should I keep them doing their thing until I see green everywhere or is it to no avail?




Unfortunately yes it can.  Cubes thrive when left alone, so the less you do to them after being spawned the better.  With an appropriately designed tub tek like PastyWhyte EZDial tubs you will not need to mist at all before the first flush.  Unmodified tubs always seem to bring FAE issues with them.

Do you have any pics of the spawn?  Bacterial spawn *can* fruit but it generally does with a diminished yeild at best.

I would remove the shoeboxes from that bigger tub and just snap the lids back on them and put them on a shelf.  The outer tub is hurting your moisture retention on the shoeboxes since you have so much air to keep moist in the bigger tub but only 3 shoeboxes worth of spawn to provide the moisture reserve.


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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! *DELETED* [Re: PBJ710]
    #27752959 - 04/27/22 06:27 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27752976 - 04/27/22 06:51 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I should have been a bit more clear - shoeboxes are typically used unmodified with the lids left completely closed until fruiting - then either bag them or dubtub them if they get too tall.  Due to the size of the tub/substrate, the tiny gap under the lid provides adequate FAE in this situation.  When you step things up to a full sized tub, you start running into the FAE issues as the lid is MUCH larger.  A few mm gap under the lid will make drastic differences in airflow available to the tub - especially if theres any drafts in the room.

I'm not an expert on WBS/millet grains, but the fluffy growth on top and the wet grains smashed against the glass seem like you've got some bacteria competing for your nutrition resources.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: PBJ710]
    #27752979 - 04/27/22 06:55 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PBJ710 said:
Quote:

Cosmos112 said:
First of all,thanks for all the replies,I'm very grateful for you guys!

Now it seems there was a little misunderstanding here: What you see on the pictures are in fact Golden Teachers, the tamps are a whole different thing growing on its own because I almost gave up on fruiting cubensis.

I should look into modifying tubs,although I swore to myself not to cut anymore holes into plastic tubs :crazy:

Is overmisting really going to destroy any ability to fruit at all? I might have taken it too far a few times 🙈

Also, thanks for the links! I fear it might be my spawn which wasnt super clean after all!
Although it looks and smells exactly like you'd think cube mycelium looks like, the tubs even give off that fresh mushroom smell after a nice mist.

So, should I keep them doing their thing until I see green everywhere or is it to no avail?




Unfortunately yes it can.  Cubes thrive when left alone, so the less you do to them after being spawned the better.  With an appropriately designed tub tek like PastyWhyte EZDial tubs you will not need to mist at all before the first flush.  Unmodified tubs always seem to bring FAE issues with them.

Do you have any pics of the spawn?  Bacterial spawn *can* fruit but it generally does with a diminished yeild at best.

I would remove the shoeboxes from that bigger tub and just snap the lids back on them and put them on a shelf.  The outer tub is hurting your moisture retention on the shoeboxes since you have so much air to keep moist in the bigger tub but only 3 shoeboxes worth of spawn to provide the moisture reserve.





If the spawn was totally clean but you overmisted, wouldn’t you at least see some bottom or side pins?

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Prakriti]
    #27752991 - 04/27/22 07:04 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Probably, but I wouldn't depend on it.  Long story short it will fruit *if* it's healthy enough and has a good enough micro-environment to fruit in.  If the health of the culture or the environment is not not ideal, it may not.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: PBJ710]
    #27753017 - 04/27/22 07:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So I guess I'm going to leave them do whatever they want, check my next grows for healthier spawn and try a modified tub again.
It's all so tiresome :babypalm:

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27753095 - 04/27/22 09:10 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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In terms of bulk prep I use straight coir,measure out how much of it I've got,multiply by 3,75 and boil that amount of water,add it to a bucket and let it sit for multiple hours. It's always at field capacity and colonizes fine so that shouldnt be a problem.

It's just so frustrating, I check out all these unmodded tubs, dub tubs etc. and those shrooms seemingly fruit thenselfes.

Maybe I DO have to consider modding some tubs in order to leave them alone for a while.

Here's a pic of my spawn I posted in a different thread:


Edit: Oh,and the big tub is just to keep the mist from going everywhere,I only leave the lids flipped from the small tubs.




That spawn doesn’t look healthy at all. While I’m not a fan of unmodded tubs (why I have my own design for modded tubs) spawn that weak isn’t going to generally fruit well. Watch out for green.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27753102 - 04/27/22 09:21 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So it really must be my spawn that's funky,huh?
Maybe I really can't differentiate between tomentose myc and bacterial myc, or they've grown intertwined with each other 🤔
I put some spores from the syringe directly to my grain jars, I'll post some pictures in a few days since I've g2g'd them two days ago.

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    #27753107 - 04/27/22 09:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You would be better served to put some spores to agar and select for vigorous growth.

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Re: Why aren't my tubs fruiting?! [Re: Cosmos112]
    #27753121 - 04/27/22 09:38 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Will do! Gonna try some BRF agar instead of MEA,I might get some rhizos which will for sure differentiate themselves from bacteria and tomentose growth.
Thanks to all of you for being so kind and helpful! I might not give up yet,even though I feel like a complete failure :crutches:

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