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Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘
    #27751142 - 04/25/22 07:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hey y'all! So, my first attempt to grow some mushy's ended in two tubs wasted. My own fault, treating them with 3% peroxide on a contam scare. Learning experience.

Second run of tubs is much much better. Got some fruits sprouting up in one ๐Ÿฅณ wicked pumped!!

I'm curious though...the tub that's still colonizing, would you say that it's ready to be put into fruiting conditions already? I was waiting for the other tub (same growth style) to FULLY colonize and it just started throwing fruits up on its own. On the fence if I should let it be and do its own thing or try to regulate it

*Those brown looking spots aren't contam, they're just big flakes of vermiculite lol I make my own mixes


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27751152 - 04/25/22 07:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

hell yeah, glad itโ€™s going better this time around!! as far as โ€œfruiting conditionsโ€ go, most people just fruit at spawn now & donโ€™t distinguish between fruiting & colonizing. i do like to tape up some holes with micropore tape & then maybe untape them if the sub seems to want more air once it colonizes 100% (or iโ€™m around to mist more often), but itโ€™s not a true distinction & sometimes i end up leaving the tape on. itโ€™s more about maintaining surface conditions than it is about fruiting & colonizing. generally, you donโ€™t want to have to start misting until after 100% colonization, maybe even after a first flush if you balance it right.

speaking of surface conditions, your sub looks a little dry to me. you might want to mist it until it holds tiny beads of water, but not so much that it pools. that link above is how it should look at all times essentially


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27751323 - 04/25/22 09:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

That link is money ๐Ÿ‘Œ thanks for that. I do have a reptifogger, think maybe that'd better than misting? I did mist a couple sections that were a bit dry. The lid had water beads on it still after a light spray earlier in the morning, so I didn't wanna overdue it... Even if I only get a handful it'll be a success in my book lol

The bigger tub that's still colonizing has a much better design for fae and I used liners. Already looks a lot more consistent than the one that's sprouting. I got high hopes!

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27751328 - 04/25/22 09:23 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Word to the wise***

KEEP THE PEROXIDE OUT! OF YOUR MYCOLOGY PROJECTS

Boy did I learn a hard lesson. Killed two tubs for nothing. Thought I had contamination, but it was just aggressive growth

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27751405 - 04/25/22 10:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

^^^^^^^
peroxide really shouldnโ€™t be used in this hobby. especially not for contamination control.

condensation on the walls or lid of the tub doesnโ€™t mean much, you wanna read just the surface. itโ€™s kinda hard to use a humidifier to keep the tubs constantly moist or whatever, itโ€™s better to just most when they need it. if youโ€™re misting a lot, change your tub design until youโ€™re not. itโ€™s better to dial that in than try to make some โ€œautomatedโ€ set up, at least if thatโ€™s what you were thinking. i use a mister designed for hair dressing thatโ€™s really light & fine when it mists & itโ€™s excellent


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27751415 - 04/25/22 11:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

peroxide is for cuts and cleaning your mouthโ€ฆpretty cool stuff just not in this hobby


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: san pedro guy]
    #27751499 - 04/26/22 02:20 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I sometime use peroxide to bathe samples of wild sourced fruits before I dissect them to try and cline the inner tissue, but beyond that, nahhhh.


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: san pedro guy]
    #27751503 - 04/26/22 02:29 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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peroxide is for cuts and cleaning your mouthโ€ฆpretty cool stuff just not in this hobby



what is a good concentration for cleaning teeth? I have 30% industrial prexoide that the wife swears by as the best cleaning agent known to mankind :lol:
is 5% too much for teeth?

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27751574 - 04/26/22 05:26 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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That link is money ๐Ÿ‘Œ thanks for that. I do have a reptifogger, think maybe that'd better than misting? I did mist a couple sections that were a bit dry. The lid had water beads on it still after a light spray earlier in the morning, so I didn't wanna overdue it... Even if I only get a handful it'll be a success in my book lol

The bigger tub that's still colonizing has a much better design for fae and I used liners. Already looks a lot more consistent than the one that's sprouting. I got high hopes!




Ditch the reptifrogger, trust me lol. Just stick to misting

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27752499 - 04/26/22 05:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Misting seems more in line with how it would happen out in nature. Rather save the fogger for better purposes anyway.

I'm guessing the reason I only have a few popping up is due to not having the right surface conditions, is that about right? That tub was just a small bin I wanted to try (and not touch as much as possible)..made it super basic..no liner, four 2.25in holes around.

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27752500 - 04/26/22 05:34 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I'm only misting like twice a day. Once when I get up at like 5ish am and then light light misting around like 5-7 pm

I gotta get one of the nice misters lol the overspray is a little annoying

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27752504 - 04/26/22 05:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm only misting like twice a day. Once when I get up at like 5ish am and then light light misting around like 5-7 pm

I gotta get one of the nice misters lol the overspray is a little annoying




No need to mist on a schedule, just mist when needed. If surface conditions look good (tiny droplets over the whole surface) theres no need to mist. Once it starts drying up give it a couple squirts. Misting on a schedule can lead to overly wet substrate.


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27753894 - 04/27/22 07:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It's not so much to have it on a schedule, just happens to be the times I leave and get back home from work.

So is it that I want to to the tiny droplets like a majority of the time?

I use the ol flashlight reflection trick to see if it needs a spritz. Since the mushy's started popping up (like 1 1/2 days ago haha), I'm extra light and gentle about it, misting less too. I've heard/read a lot that you don't really wanna get them wet once they've gone past the pin stage?

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27753920 - 04/27/22 07:23 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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It's not so much to have it on a schedule, just happens to be the times I leave and get back home from work.

So is it that I want to to the tiny droplets like a majority of the time?

I use the ol flashlight reflection trick to see if it needs a spritz. Since the mushy's started popping up (like 1 1/2 days ago haha), I'm extra light and gentle about it, misting less too. I've heard/read a lot that you don't really wanna get them wet once they've gone past the pin stage?




Yea good surface conditions is little tiny droplets across the whole surface.

I usually significantly slow down or stop misting once pins show up, you definitely dont want them sitting there wet for long periods of time


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27754022 - 04/27/22 08:21 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Could someone give me an idea of why I have the cap mutation going on with a couple of them?



Would it be from co building up in the lower part of the tub?

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27754039 - 04/27/22 08:27 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)






Yea good surface conditions is little tiny droplets across the whole surface.

I usually significantly slow down or stop misting once pins show up, you definitely dont want them sitting there wet for long periods of time





I place the lid strategically and try to really only mist where no pins have popped. Figure that way, I've got the moisture in there, but can't risk ruining good fruit..picking up a hair dresser mister tomorrow so I have better control.

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27754440 - 04/28/22 02:06 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

no idea but i donโ€™t think it would be from CO2


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27754464 - 04/28/22 02:54 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Could someone give me an idea of why I have the cap mutation going on with a couple of them?



Would it be from co building up in the lower part of the tub?




they just grow funny sometimes, still safe to eat though :laugh:

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27754692 - 04/28/22 08:20 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Okie doke! Just wanted to make sure it wasn't something I wasn't regulating properly. Seems like I'm on a good track though and I'm friggin STOKED :stoned:

Funny enough, the one that's got the super funky cap looks like it decided to like...fuse..with the one it was growing next to.

No one I've asked has ever tried this Z Strain, so I'm anxious to get one of these bad boys in my belly! Haha

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27755179 - 04/28/22 02:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

theyโ€™ll probably be a cube trip!! iโ€™m stoked for ya man. i think if your conditions are more dialed in next grow youโ€™ll see a lot better of a pin set & some more normal looking mushrooms.


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27755501 - 04/28/22 06:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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theyโ€™ll probably be a cube trip!! iโ€™m stoked for ya man. i think if your conditions are more dialed in next grow youโ€™ll see a lot better of a pin set & some more normal looking mushrooms.




Hell yeah brother! Peep the first flush below :cool:



I left the juvenile and the cluster for now. Veil is just starting to stretch, so I'll give it another day or so and grab em. That cluster is gonna make a realllll nice tea.

I used a blade to slice as close to substrate as I could. Should I have left those..stumps? Wasn't sure if I should try to remove them or leave em be.

I'm excited to see how my more efficiently modified tub performs

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27755504 - 04/28/22 06:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quick question though...

What temp and for how long do y'all dehydrate your cubes for?

I read something like 95 degrees for 12ish hours? Then reddit cubes all saying they run it like 160 degrees for 4ish hours?

Don't wanna lose any potency if I don't need to. Right now I got those at about 100 degrees with timers to check on em every few hours

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27755507 - 04/28/22 06:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Quick question though...

What temp and for how long do y'all dehydrate your cubes for?

I read something like 95 degrees for 12ish hours? Then reddit cubes all saying they run it like 160 degrees for 4ish hours?

Don't wanna lose any potency if I don't need to. Right now I got those at about 100 degrees with timers to check on em every few hours




Highest setting on the dehydrator for 12-24 hours. No less than 12, ever.

Dont listen to reddit mate, lots of bad practices going on there.

You wont lose potentcy from the heat. The quicker you dry them the better. The highest setting isnt gonna hurt them, people cook and boil them all the time w no issues. You will lose potentcy the longer they're wet though


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27755512 - 04/28/22 06:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:

the time varies on the amount youโ€™re drying, how thick they are, what your dehydrator is like & what setting is itโ€™s max etc. usually 12 hours is the minimum iโ€™ll dry. you just want them to be absolutely cracker dry after they cool off. max temps will make that happen faster. like ashtray said, heat isnโ€™t a concern until youโ€™re hitting like 350f


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27755521 - 04/28/22 06:56 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Big thanks on the quick response! I got a Nesco Pro food n jerky dehydrator, if y'all are familiar with it. Just cranked it to it's max of 160f

Yeaahhhh..reddit advice is always super questionable haha

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27755528 - 04/28/22 06:59 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Big thanks on the quick response! I got a Nesco Pro food n jerky dehydrator, if y'all are familiar with it. Just cranked it to it's max of 160f

Yeaahhhh..reddit advice is always super questionable haha




Not familiar with the brand but they all work pretty much the same. Mine goes to 160 too.

Oh yea, reddit is a cesspool for mycology info, along w YouTube

As was said just make sure they're cracker dry when u take them out. Store them in an airtight container, mason jars work well, and keep in a dark cool place. Light will degrade psilocybn and is often overlooked so keep that in mind


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27755571 - 04/28/22 07:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

i think that nesco is like the circular presto dehydrators. my old one worked great, but i got tired of having to do multiple runs once i started growing more bulk.


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: hazyhorse]
    #27755605 - 04/28/22 07:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Nesco also has square tray models (FD80/FD85) - these have a lot more capacity than the round versions.

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    #27755629 - 04/28/22 08:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

ooh yeah, i have an excalibur 9 tray now thatโ€™s sick as fuck. i love the rectangular dehydrators. the presto did itโ€™s job, but iโ€™m definitely glad i upgraded. i also make a lot of dehydrated apples & itโ€™s killer for doing huge batches of those


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27756307 - 04/29/22 09:06 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It's pretty much the same design as the presto one. Wanna get one with clear sides on the trays. That way I don't have to open it as much to check on em. I dozed off and they got a tiny bit drier than I intended but still good. I'll let you guys know how they are ..wish me luck lol

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    #27756311 - 04/29/22 09:07 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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It's pretty much the same design as the presto one. Wanna get one with clear sides on the trays. That way I don't have to open it as much to check on em. I dozed off and they got a tiny bit drier than I intended but still good. I'll let you guys know how they are ..wish me luck lol




Trust me, you cant overdry them lol.


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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27756998 - 04/29/22 08:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Trust me, you cant overdry them lol.




I don't mind extra dry. I do more tea than anything, so crunchy is cool with me lol

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Joseph Nerino]
    #27760372 - 05/02/22 06:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys! Just a lil update..second flush wasn't super successful, but! My other, more modified tub seems to be doing pretty dang good



I've tried counting twice and there's approx 70 or so pins popping. I'm like completely beside myself right now..

Would the clustering of my pins across the substrate have anything to do with how evenly the grain spawn is spread? Or is that just the way she goes


Also, ignore the hacked ass liner lol

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Re: Second Run of MonoTubs Success ๐Ÿ‘ [Re: Ashtray161]
    #27766239 - 05/06/22 04:27 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Big thanks on the heads up reminder about surface conditions. Ended up down a rabbit hole of learning for a while one night. I think I understand things a lot better now. Got a real nice looking canopy in the works on this next tub...lmk what ya think. That spot of dirt just always looks dry, I even put a couple direct droplets on the spot and it's hydrophobic, so idk lol



I got a nice mister now and I've kept the lid cracked often on this one to see if I can reduce the amount of fuzz on the legs the first tub had. Read that that's usually fixable with better fae and seems legit so far lol

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