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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: christopera]
#28068841 - 11/25/22 01:20 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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christopera said: How many laptops have you built?
Every product of apples is a scam.
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People run widows on macs all the time
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: koods]
#28068852 - 11/25/22 01:30 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Apple sucks though. Apples user interfaces are like kiddie pools with floaties and bumpers everywhere
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: trees]
#28068864 - 11/25/22 01:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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That kiddie pool style though, I will give it that, it does allow blind and borderline retarded people to use the computer. I know a guy who has MS and he is basically blind and retarded.
The MAC kiddie pool style allows him to zoom in on stuff so he can read it, this allows him just enough computer usage to get scammed by scammers online, get frustrated and yell at tech support for several hours.
It is a godsend for the blind and retarded.
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: budmanman]
#28068868 - 11/25/22 01:43 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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budmanman said:
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christopera said: How many laptops have you built?
Every product of apples is a scam.
That didn't answer the question but you also know that is a lie. I have owned more laptops than most and the Macs have all been really good, in fact they are the best. You pay the price though. The Windows machines that are comparable are thinkpads and their prices aren't exactly great either. I haven't even ventured into an M2 MacBook yet, but everything indicates the M2 is the best chip on the market for certain uses (basically everybody not in engineering or gaming).
That said, despite having built many PC's nobody is building DIY laptops that are worth a damn. There are a few modular laptops on the market but they stink.
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: trees]
#28068869 - 11/25/22 01:44 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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trees said: Apple sucks though. Apples user interfaces are like kiddie pools with floaties and bumpers everywhere
Maybe on iOS. But nobody is coding on their phone anyways.
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: budmanman]
#28068873 - 11/25/22 01:45 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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budmanman said: That kiddie pool style though, I will give it that, it does allow blind and borderline retarded people to use the computer. I know a guy who has MS and he is basically blind and retarded.
The MAC kiddie pool style allows him to zoom in on stuff so he can read it, this allows him just enough computer usage to get scammed by scammers online, get frustrated and yell at tech support for several hours.
It is a godsend for the blind and retarded.
Next you are going to be telling everybody that Ubuntu is the only way to go.
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: christopera]
#28068893 - 11/25/22 01:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Running a proxmox server at home with every single OS and accessing it remotely on your phone when you need portability is the only way.
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: christopera]
#28068896 - 11/25/22 01:55 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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christopera said:
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budmanman said:
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christopera said: How many laptops have you built?
Every product of apples is a scam.
That didn't answer the question but you also know that is a lie. I have owned more laptops than most and the Macs have all been really good, in fact they are the best. You pay the price though. The Windows machines that are comparable are thinkpads and their prices aren't exactly great either. I haven't even ventured into an M2 MacBook yet, but everything indicates the M2 is the best chip on the market for certain uses (basically everybody not in engineering or gaming).
That said, despite having built many PC's nobody is building DIY laptops that are worth a damn. There are a few modular laptops on the market but they stink.
You can build your own laptop but it isn't yet very convenient and not something you can just do on a whim without some planning.
I haven't personally done it as for me laptops are borderline useless.
I might in a few years get a custom gaming laptop for when I am out traveling the world, when I was in the Philippines I brought my playstation and stomped people on those SEA servers.
I can imagine I could have some good stomp sessions while abroad on a PC.
Here is a comparison of an M2 to a low tier i7 laptop processor.
Final Verdict So that was all for the comparison between Intel Core i7 and Apple M2 chipset. While the M2 chipset was able to beat the 10-core-based i7 chipset, it reportedly failed to beat the 12-core-based i7 in terms of performance. This clarifies that the 12-core-based i7 chipset has an edge when it comes to performance. However, in both cases, the M2 was better at power consumption. What are your thoughts on this? Do let us know by dropping a comment in your words down below.
And when it comes to power consumption it states earlier in the article that the i7 has short bursts of high power usage only when actions are taken and then just basically idles so though the charts make the m2 look very energy efficient those charts are only under load.
Thus again apple hype over nothing.
A mid tier PC laptop for 1500 will come with high powered graphics computing, along with an i9 processor with 16 cores that will blow that m2 out of the water like I literally can not stress this enough about how much of a joke apple is.
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: budmanman]
#28068908 - 11/25/22 02:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Lets compare
8-Core CPU 10-Core GPU 8GB Unified Memory 512GB SSD Storage¹ 16-core Neural Engine 13.6-inch Liquid Retina display with True Tone 1080p FaceTime HD camera MagSafe 3 charging port Two Thunderbolt / USB 4 ports Magic Keyboard with Touch ID Force Touch trackpad 35W Dual USB-C Port Compact Power Adapter $1,499.00
That is an m2 mac laptop that I found on apple.com
Now that i9 pc laptop I mentioned and this was just a quick find not even bargain hunting etc.
let us take a look at specs
16-Core CPU 3070 TI -GPU 16GB Memory 1TB SSD Storage
For about the same price. Like 2x the memory, 2x the SSD, a 3070 TI GPU, 2x the cores, I wouldn't be shocked either if each core was faster.
You are just paying more for less so you can be a MAC snob which is fine, you can flex your wealth or what ever via over priced PC components but don't pretend anything other than that is happening.
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: budmanman]
#28068913 - 11/25/22 02:08 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I pay for more because they are better for just about everything I do. I admitted the M2 wasn't good for gaming or engineering.
Also you specs are dumb. You are comparing a 15 (m2) draw to a 115w (I9 draw). Think about that in terms of a laptop.
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: budmanman]
#28068916 - 11/25/22 02:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I am going to add that I can fill 8gb of ram on a computer by just scrolling a long way down on facebook.
The fuck kind of "workhorse" is an apple lol I only have a browser open with several pages on it right now and am using 3 gigs of ram with just my internet browser and I haven't even done that much on it yet.
I just can't wrap my mind around it. I got 32 gigs of ram on my pc right now and if I get reckless with my usage I have at times gone well over 20 gigs.
I am coming across posts of people calling their 6+ year old apples functional workhorses and hyping up about how great apple is, it must be great for people that just don't really use a computer.
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: christopera]
#28068918 - 11/25/22 02:11 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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christopera said: I pay for more because they are better for just about everything I do. I admitted the M2 wasn't good for gaming or engineering.
Also you specs are dumb. You are comparing a 15 (m2) draw to a 115w (I9 draw). Think about that in terms of a laptop.
A laptop i9 uses 55W but you can turn on a turbo function and run up to 157W but you have to activate that.
You can also underclock everything if you want, you could slow that PC down right to apple specs if you wanted. I can't think of any reason to though cause power usage is an on demand thing and only uses up to what you are demanding of it.
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Edited by budmanman (11/25/22 02:13 PM)
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: budmanman]
#28068920 - 11/25/22 02:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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You obviously have never used a Mac or Mac OSX if you are worried about filling your ram with a web browser.
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: christopera]
#28068921 - 11/25/22 02:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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christopera said: I haven't even ventured into an M2 MacBook yet, but everything indicates the M2 is the best chip on the market for certain uses (basically everybody not in engineering or gaming).
That said, despite having built many PC's nobody is building DIY laptops that are worth a damn. There are a few modular laptops on the market but they stink.
That's my problem with apple. Good for certain uses... but for 90% of people, their uses are- checking email, and watching youtube, and you can do that on a $200 chromebook. But somehow apple has convinced people they need a $1200 machine to do that. It's kind of incredible.
I dunno how important DIY is, but we're fighting for at least upgradability/repairability (which apple sucks at...)
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: christopera]
#28068923 - 11/25/22 02:14 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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christopera said: You obviously have never used a Mac or Mac OSX if you are worried about filling your ram with a web browser.
The images and videos loading in a browser shouldn't change when on any other operating system.
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: Lynnch]
#28068925 - 11/25/22 02:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Lynnch said:
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christopera said: I haven't even ventured into an M2 MacBook yet, but everything indicates the M2 is the best chip on the market for certain uses (basically everybody not in engineering or gaming).
That said, despite having built many PC's nobody is building DIY laptops that are worth a damn. There are a few modular laptops on the market but they stink.
That's my problem with apple. Good for certain uses... but for 90% of people, their uses are- checking email, and watching youtube, and you can do that on a $200 chromebook. But somehow apple has convinced people they need a $1200 machine to do that. It's kind of incredible.
I dunno how important DIY is, but we're fighting for at least upgradability/repairability (which apple sucks at...)
They do it with a psychological phenomenon that allows people to complete support a political party despite the party having so many flaws that logically you woudln't want to have anything to do with.
It is how Hitler came to power,
Therefore Apple is literally Hitler
IE: christopera is a Nazi
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: budmanman]
#28068928 - 11/25/22 02:20 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I wonder why you guys hate apple so much, I had one, an air, till I fried it trying to use it in a thunderstorm 
If I ever got one again I'd give it to my friend, she likes apples and she's the one that gave me the air
I bought her a thinkpad with elementary on it so she has a computer to use if need be
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: gopher]
#28068930 - 11/25/22 02:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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gopher said: I wonder why you guys hate apple so much, I had one, an air, till I fried it trying to use it in a thunderstorm 
If I ever got one again I'd give it to my friend, she likes apples and she's the one that gave me the air
I bought her a thinkpad with elementary on it so she has a computer to use if need be
Just right there, I know PC's power supplies have surge protectors so apparently apples don't lol
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Re: Elon Musk has bought Twitter. [Re: budmanman]
#28068934 - 11/25/22 02:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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budmanman said:
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christopera said: You obviously have never used a Mac or Mac OSX if you are worried about filling your ram with a web browser.
The images and videos loading in a browser shouldn't change when on any other operating system.
I added 5 FB tabs and scrolled them independently and my RAM usage went down. 2017 MacBook pro, I bought it used as a shop machine. $700, three years ago.
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