Home | Community | Message Board

Mycohaus
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | Next >  [ show all ]
InvisiblefahtsterM
Now With 33%More Faht
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/17/06
Posts: 9,266
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! * 22
    #27749576 - 04/24/22 01:31 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)



Yoyoyo party peeps!  Y’all have been watching me cross and stabilize PE and AA+ for the last year and a half (took the summer off) and it’s finally to where I’m happy with the results (F8) and want to share it with everyone :grin:

Let me take ya through how I got to that point.  In the spring of 2020 I had a tub of PE and AA+ both sporelating at the same time:
PE AA+ second flush

And I thought “what the hell” and took both swabs from a 2pk and first swabbed the PE and then the AA+ directly on top of the PE… it was right at the end of my growing season so I put the swabs away until the fall.  Right around that time, I was playing around with making SS from swabs because I don’t use agar.. Here’s the thread about making swabs into spore solution. But I’ll save ya a lot of long winded reading (this read is long as is :lol:)…

I found the best way was to let the swabs dry for at least a week (I just let them dry in the swab packaging) and then take both swabs from a pack and first dunk them into a jar of sterile water (I like to rub them together lightly a couple times in this first jar to remove any gill fragments and possible dust or mold spores on the surface) and then I move them to a second jar of sterile water that only has ~15ml of water (this is about the amount of water in a 4oz jar that’s enough to cover the tips of the swabs but not enough to over dilute the SS) and vigorously rub the two swabs together where the spores are (anyone that gets swabs from me will notice I swab gills on one side of the swab tip so that rubbing the swabs together is easy… it’s much harder to rub the very ends of swabs together lol) until the swabs look free of spores… then I suck that water up into a sterile syringe. 

I feel that having the spores swabbed directly on each other and then rubbed together blends the two varieties’ spores into mixed clumps where they can germinate next to each other and you can get the buller effect happening on a massive scale (the opposite of serial dilution) and then when you use and grow out all of that SS, your odds of getting a cross is really high.

Then it’s a game of numbers… I’ll use that SS to inoculate multiple substrates.. usually at least a few pf cakes and a couple 4oz jars of grain.  The cakes I’ll fruit as is and of the 4oz grain jars that looks the best, I’ll GLC that one to a couple qts and make a 16qt tub.  I shake the 4oz at least a few times during colonization to check for quick recovery for molds/bacteria.

Ok, so now you know how I make swab SS (the prerinse was a game changer for me getting useable SS), here’s how the FP+ came about gen by gen

F1 (cakes and 16qt tub):
PEA+, F1 PEA+, F1 Pea+
PEA+, F1 PEA+, F1

As you can see, there’s not a single white fruit or straight up PE fruit and those are all heavy ms grows.. they’re all homogeneous fruits.. rubbing layered swabs together apparently works extremely well for crossing or PE and AA+ are very compatible but here’s other examples of the RADS (rub and double swab) method working well with other crosses:
PE x APEU f1 heavy ms


PE x APEU F2 heavy ms


PE x RW f1 heavy ms


PE x RW F2 heavy ms


There’s more but you get the picture.. if you want to see more of the RADS in action, check out my threads in Pheno hunters

Anyway, back to FP+

F2, 16qt tub and two gallon zipblocks:
Pea+ f2 Pea+ F2 tub flush 2 finished


The pheno I took from the F2 was the most PE looking fruit (I chose from that end of the spectrum to help keep the potency high and everyone else is making white varieties I want to be a lil different I suppose lol) and every gen after this I took spores from the fruit that had the closest look to the f2 pheno

F3 two gallon zipblock:


F4 this gen was done right at the end of my 2021 season so I kept it small.. I spawned the 4oz grain jars straight to tall half pints instead of GLC’ing them to qts and took spores from this guy:


At this point, I was seeing almost no contamination in my 4oz grain jars (or cakes) so I stopped making cakes and just made 4oz grain jars for GLC and skipped the cakes since they’re much slower

F5 16qt tub (start of 2022 season):


F5 clone first and second flush:


F6 16qt tub:


F7 for this gen I made a heavy ms 16qt tub and a few cakes to be safe because it’s the release gen


The ms 16qt tub got a 1/2” peat casing on day 7 after spawning (2qts of wheat used in all f7 16qt tub grows) and dried down to 87g


F7 clone tubs (2)… these are what I swabbed from for the F8 so everyone is start from the same genetics.  Here’s the cloned fruit:


1st was regular mixed @ 1:3.5 with a 1/2” peat casing added a week after spawning.. tub dried down to 84g


Second flush of tub 1


2nd 16qt tub was a Laymixed tub with p9’s 1” compressed top layer (for the 16qt tubs I mix the first qt up at 1:3 and lay it down and then throw a couple small handfuls of CV—just enough to have some cv bits between the grain kernels.. maybe 1 to .5 ratio and then lay that evenly over the bottom mixed layer.. lastly I put a 1” compressed TL over the grain layer). You can see the layers in the sub in the landscape style pic below.  I needed to make a lot of swabs so I let these clone tubs go past what I would normally.. I would’ve harvested at the point of growth in the second pic below



The laymixed tub did the best @ ~87g dry and that method of tub construction is going to be my main go to from here on out.. I don’t need to use a casing to get great casing-like results


I also used laymixing in a set of 3 BK mak tubs and it performed the best out of casing, regular mixed 1” TL and of course the laymixed.. it dried down to 119g (didn’t tear the bag.. it weighed 11.5g)


F8
This one is on you guys!  :wink:  I’d like to see y’all play with higher spawn ratios 1:5, 1:6 and see if you can get it to throw fewer/larger fruits

Specifications for FP+:
** Doesn’t drop spores but produces them fairly heavy late into maturity so swabbing only and it does appear to have an above average tendency to produce sporeless fruits for those of you that like sporeless cultures (even though they don’t drop anyway)
**these guys do much better with thicker subs.  Shoeboxes and cakes seem to produce pretty small fruits.  I recommend a thicker (3”+) substrate.  They do well in my 16qt tubs but if you want to do a 1qt grain grow, I’d suggest a ziplock where the sub is thicker with a smaller fruiting surface.  You can see examples of all below
** Dense for their fruit size… has both the snapping feel you get from AA+ and the fat inerds you get from PE
** Very tomentose myc (almost looks like pan myc) even in clone cultures… not that rhizos aren’t possible but tomentose is way more probable
** Pins HEAVILY with a low abort rate
** At maturity, the fruits fall off the sub with very little effort
** Veils tend to stay on late into maturity so you may have to gently pull them off with a clean swab to get to the spores underneath but there’s a better chance of clean spores there
** Quick and extensive spore germination.. even from F1 these guys are more than willing to germ heavy.. even after months on a swab
** Above average potency
** Doesn’t require a casing but does great with a 1/2” peat casing added @ 100% colonized.  Also does well with just a top layer.. I prefer a compressed CV layer anywhere from 1/4”-1”. 
** Spawn to harvest was around 24 days.. pinning at ~18

If you’d like to read more on the gen run throughs, check out This thread

Thanks for checking all that out and I’m excited to see what you guys do with them!  :grin:

Go Here for the grow along thread :grin:

Faht

OMC member FP+ grows! (if any contributors would like their quotes changed or removed, it’s no problem, just lmk)

Quote:

Shroomoisseur said:

07-05-22
Fruits!!! Love them, nice penis envy stems. Extremely easy harvest, they literally pop off with minimal substrate. Love that they didn’t sporegasm everywhere. Great fruit, excited to keep it in rotation and begin isolating!






Quote:

Bobbins said:
11qt tub, spawn was a bit bacterial looking but I thought what the hell. (1 quart of spawn)






Quote:

SlugWorthx1 said:
Excited to see the bumpy stipes starting to fill in , with some spore drops on a few but not nearly as heavy (yet).
but some of the veils that tore off remains white, good candidates for cloning. Thanks Faht, really enjoying this variety :thumbup:







Quote:

JXAllen said:
I harvested the first FP+ tub tonight! This tub is at least a week ahead of anything else!!! These look great! They're the right color, almost sporeless and gnarly stipes.  I just need to eat a couple to see if they carried over the potency of the penis envy. I selected the best three mushrooms to clone. They're all growing in nice clusters. So, I feel pretty good about how the next generation will turn out! They popped right off the sub! Only two spots pulled off small chunks of sub, and they were dense clusters on the corners. The rest just popped right off! Almost no damage at all to the sub!

Here is how they progressed over the last 24 hours. First picture is last night, then this morning and then at harvest. All about 12 hours apart. You can see the gills starting to produce spores. But if these had been any of the non albino cubes I'd grown before, there would be spores EVERYWHERE!




And.... There were just as many mushrooms on the BOTTOM of the tub as the top/sides!!!


These are the three mushrooms I'll be cloning.


I just harvested the second flush of the rhizo FP+ shoe box. Once again, there were more mushrooms on the bottom than the top and sides! :lol:


Third flush




Quote:

Boozie said:
Well, final update… unfortunately I had to leave town at a moments notice thanks to work, so I do not have final pre-pickin’s pics (they bloomed out well, promise). I literally plucked and dried as fast as I could before I had to leave. But these things came out gorgeous, Faht. Little on the squatty side, but man oh man did they grow a dense lil forest, overflowed the trays! Ridiculously easy to pluck from the substrate too, which was a huge bonus.

Packed both dehydrators completely full, ended up with just over 4.5 ounces dried from the 4 trays. :shrug: Cannot wait to do a lil bioassay once I get back!



Here’s the last couple pics I took from earlier in the week:



Cheers, folks!



Quote:

milkboy said:


Less then 24hrs between pics, didnt need to hold the bag open for the 2nd pic :lol:





Thanks again faht!



Quote:

maimunji said:
I like to try some high dose of this fp+. They will have some bang for sure.
Here is small tub harvest first flush from one brf. Better than nothing ehhh. Have another one tub with 2 cakes starting to pin. Innaculate another 8 cakes with agar before few days and have another 8 colonized on jars half. I will not give up.


Harvest tub 4 brf cakes 150 grams wet.
Happy thanks Faht.



Have another one tub flushing. Fruits is gnarly and large. So beautiful mushrooms.
Its Saturday yeah. Tonight will be the night with fresh mushies i think.






Quote:


YoshiTrainer said:
Fp+, I think the bag had something going on since about 60% of the mush formed on the walls of the bag.





Quote:

Rotnpins said:
FP+





Quote:

primelines said:
Finally got a nice little shoe box of these guys. Will definitely keep running them.

I almost threw this one out before it started to pin. It looked like it dried out and stalled, I neglected it for a week and then BOOM suddenly a forest to harvest.







Quote:

Screwup said:





Quote:

DERRAYLD said:
Fp+ strangest mushroom I've grown






Quote:

HILLBILLY OUTLAW said:
Wanted to drop these in here for you guys. FP+ f7.
Took a clone of that guy. Can’t wait to try them out.
Thank you Fhat!
(Should have changed pic orientation before I uploaded **fixed it for ya—Faht)
FP+ F7 (A)

FP+ F7

FP+ F7

FP+ F7


Second flush. Sparser fruits but larger than the first flush
Another couple 55qt tubs..


F8 50qt tub






Quote:

TheGreatDellion said:
First fruit.  Came from a bacterial top fruited jar

 



Quote:

Hindsight said:





AyePlus said:



beefsupremejr said:
]


MushieMafia said:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblefahtsterM
Now With 33%More Faht
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/17/06
Posts: 9,266
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: fahtster]
    #27749954 - 04/24/22 07:51 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

This thread was moved from the user's journal.

Reason:
Yay!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Fresh PrintsS
Smell ya later
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/19/12
Posts: 1,377
Loc: Bel-Air
Trusted Cultivator
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: fahtster] * 3
    #27749957 - 04/24/22 07:53 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

:rockon:

Beautiful work Faht


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemind.at.large
Myconerd


Registered: 12/13/16
Posts: 1,218
Loc: Floating in liquid gardens
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: The Fresh Prints] * 2
    #27749966 - 04/24/22 08:05 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

:bearbreakdance:


--------------------
Mind's Easy Bag 2 Bag Grain Transfers


Endless Sub Tek


...the doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDoctor Mario
🍄🍄🍄🍄🍄
Male Unread Journal


Registered: 08/07/20
Posts: 1,894
Loc: 🇺🇸
Trusted Cultivator
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: mind.at.large] * 2
    #27750001 - 04/24/22 08:42 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Excellent work!
:kenthumbup:


--------------------



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSome other guy
Grower of Mold
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/06/21
Posts: 273
Last seen: 7 months, 11 days
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: Doctor Mario] * 1
    #27750008 - 04/24/22 08:52 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Alright, so I'm not crazy. I saw your post in the general forum the other day and didn't have a clue what Fp+ was. These things are gorgeous, congratulations!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebigfootscreepyuncl
Stranger


Registered: 11/15/20
Posts: 3,717
Loc: Gamehenge
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: Doctor Mario] * 1
    #27750010 - 04/24/22 08:54 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Awesome work, as always fahtster!

I'll give this one a run at 1:6 and see what they can do :awesomenod:

I'm assuming the 1/2" top layer is just CV and not actual buffered peat casing material?


--------------------



I :heart: 5318008


NOT a virgin!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineiceNock


Registered: 11/15/21
Posts: 335
Last seen: 5 months, 6 days
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl] * 1
    #27750012 - 04/24/22 08:59 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I've seen pics here and there of some of the progress on this. Very cool to see the full history in one place. Very generous of you with the giveaway, so cool to see you're gonna spread it far and wide really quickly it seems like. I've got a couple things I've been really wanting to get started so I'll check the market in a half year or so and see how they've propagated and try my hand at them. Great job and so cool to see, thanks.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCrackatoa
Stranger in a strange land
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/19
Posts: 5,399
Loc: Over by your Mama's house Flag
Last seen: 2 days, 12 hours
Trusted Cultivator
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: iceNock] * 1
    #27750015 - 04/24/22 09:08 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

:yaysugar:
Awesome work, I love it.


--------------------

Crack's Tek's and Shit



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSlugWorthx1S
 User Gallery

Registered: 03/16/20
Posts: 219
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: Crackatoa] * 1
    #27750126 - 04/25/22 12:50 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Inspirational work man! Thanks for sharing
your process and knowledge :thumbup:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDERRAYLD
Constructus
Male User Gallery
Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 9,281
Loc: South Africa
Last seen: 45 minutes, 51 seconds
Trusted Cultivator
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: SlugWorthx1] * 1
    #27750130 - 04/25/22 12:58 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Beautiful,  excellent work Faht


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblefahtsterM
Now With 33%More Faht
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/17/06
Posts: 9,266
Trusted Cultivator
OG Cultivator
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl] * 2
    #27750138 - 04/25/22 01:14 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Thanks everyone, it’s really exciting.. I think you’re gonna love em :grin:

Quote:

bigfootscreepyuncl said:
Awesome work, as always fahtster!

I'll give this one a run at 1:6 and see what they can do :awesomenod:

I'm assuming the 1/2" top layer is just CV and not actual buffered peat casing material?




Ah.. that was confusing.. I fixed the OP.  I meant a peat casing but the best weight I got was from a 1” compressed TL but anywhere from 1/4”-1” will work well.. it’s hard to keep these guys from pinning  :headbanger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleHFM
hairy fecal matter
 User Gallery

Registered: 06/25/21
Posts: 347
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: fahtster] * 1
    #27750209 - 04/25/22 04:31 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

So very Rad! Good job! :smile:


--------------------
Trees lay chipped across the paths,
we hunt their souls to eat the wrath-HFM


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineShroomoisseur
Professional Cucker


Registered: 11/16/20
Posts: 138
Last seen: 11 months, 14 days
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: HFM] * 1
    #27750537 - 04/25/22 11:14 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Rare but very real, true picture of me. For you faht.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblefungusul
Fungus Kingdom


Registered: 07/16/20
Posts: 1,028
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: Shroomoisseur]
    #27751244 - 04/25/22 08:28 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Nice work Faht! :rockon:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSnoopRyan
Stranger
Registered: 12/03/17
Posts: 10
Last seen: 1 year, 8 months
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! (moved) [Re: fungusul]
    #27751292 - 04/25/22 08:54 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Woah this looks crazy! Can't wait to try growing this one, great job Faht!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEgon_Spengler
Ever lurkin never workin
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/02/22
Posts: 2,294
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! [Re: fahtster]
    #27751351 - 04/25/22 09:38 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Quote:







:wooawesome:
Nicely done


--------------------

   


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMaphead
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 09/23/18
Posts: 23
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! [Re: Egon_Spengler]
    #27752333 - 04/26/22 03:56 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Awesome! I tried the link to the "Marketplace" as I've often seen it referenced but could never find it. I mainly lurk and search threads for answers to questions I have. So... the link solved the mystery of where tf is the marketplace? Evidently you need 50 posts to unlock the market. 15 down 35 to go. Don't be hating on me if you see me go on a reply binge with... Nice!, Sweet!, Awesome!, Fuckin A man I'm trying that!, Don't fucking eat that!



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineiceNock


Registered: 11/15/21
Posts: 335
Last seen: 5 months, 6 days
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! [Re: Maphead]
    #27752395 - 04/26/22 04:37 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Maphead said:
Awesome! I tried the link to the "Marketplace" as I've often seen it referenced but could never find it. I mainly lurk and search threads for answers to questions I have. So... the link solved the mystery of where tf is the marketplace? Evidently you need 50 posts to unlock the market. 15 down 35 to go. Don't be hating on me if you see me go on a reply binge with... Nice!, Sweet!, Awesome!, Fuckin A man I'm trying that!, Don't fucking eat that!







I'd say to put some thought in to the replies, "help" where you can or w/e. I believe a number of marketplace giveaway people check post history to make sure accounts aren't just spamming to get spores but that they're a participating community member to some degree.


Good luck!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMaphead
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 09/23/18
Posts: 23
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
Re: FP+ (PE x AA+ “Faht’s PEA+”) Is Ready For Release! [Re: iceNock] * 1
    #27752473 - 04/26/22 05:19 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Not really planning on just random spam to get "free spores" I'm not even sure what all is in the marketplace but the OP's "Here" link at least helped me figure out where it was and why I couldn't find it. I'll be sure to try an include some kind of value to whatever posts.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Faht's oven bag clone tek
( 1 2 all )
fahtsterM 40,520 26 01/21/15 11:19 PM
by tomcat
* PES Hawaiian cleaner 2,935 4 04/06/03 03:23 PM
by Magash
* Questions about AA Teknos 1,490 11 04/10/06 02:03 PM
by rDr4g0n
* so will peas work baby 1,650 7 09/24/04 03:32 PM
by ZeroArmy27
* Faht jar / popcorn questions. Many thanks. eutebius 873 1 10/06/11 05:06 PM
by fahtster
* Are the mycobags ready? johnhenry 693 5 03/21/05 02:57 PM
by Enivid
* How's this poo? (pics) and is this WBS jar ready? Alprazolom 1,662 5 10/26/06 02:31 PM
by Alprazolom
* First PE grow: issues Nerex 101 5 01/22/24 04:03 PM
by WyoMX

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
9,556 topic views. 30 members, 172 guests and 36 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.032 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 14 queries.